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The Trump Impeachment Proceedings by blackrams
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Originally posted by randye:

Does anyone know what THIS guy's brother and his wife does and where they live and work?
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The Lt. Col. bragged vehemently about migrating to the United States with his parents when he was three years old?

Golly gee Beave, I just don't know who to believe?
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Would that question be asking about legally or morally based accusations/allegations?
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As a fellow American, I am stricken with anger over what many in our government have done, and continue to do. Both sides. I am bias though.
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Would that question be asking about legally or morally based accusations/allegations?

Makes a big difference in this situation. Legally, I'd say they haven't crossed any lines, morally they are way over the line. If this were a President from the Dems side of the aisle, these queries and accusations would have never been brought up. As a registered Democrat, I'm embarrassed by the lack of leadership and direction this has taken. But, that's just me. Lots of (left leaning) Dems are buying into the and thinking Dem Presidents are not guilty of precisely the same tactics the Trump administration is allegedly guilty of. I personally don't like DJT very much but, I know a lynching when I see it.

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Clean, simple, intellectually honest.
10/10!

Unfortunately, you'll never be able to sell tickets to a seal-clubbing!

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The Leftists have been using the word "Bombshell" to describe every yawner and nothingburger in this whole charade.

That whistling sound that you may not be hearing just yet is the REAL POLITICAL BOMB that was just dropped that is going to blow up SHAMPEACHMENT

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html?fbclid=IwAR0OnA_N79ziArGQwZA65nb6_42HPrnhMvsbGpwkrRvQN4SsIY_jYvCJQ34

In a nutshell, the Ukrainian Congress just voted on a resolution demanding that President Zelensky approach President Trump and work together with him and the U.S. Justice Department to get to the bottom of the 7.4 billion dollars that the previous president and family stole and attempted to wash through an American investment firm with close ties to high level Democrats (including Obama's National Security Advisor)

... also referenced is the millions paid to Barisma, to cover the "salaries" of 3 members of their board of directors (including Hunter Biden) ... Basically, they are demanding their president to do exactly what the Democrats in the US Congress are claiming that President Trump tried to do!

It will be over very soon now and the river of Leftist tears of failure will flow again.

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SPOILER ALERT
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Five Thirty Eight?

Rinse, you really know how to pick your sources!
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Originally posted by Threedog:

I disappear because people here want to hurl insults and ignore whatever I write instead of actually discuss the facts of what is going on.

In the Mueller Report(which did not clear the president, it simply said you can't indict a sitting president) the president obstructed justice constantly, just like is going on now.


Many on this website are ignoring concerning thing after concerning thing that comes up. The equivalent of a schoolgirl plugging her ears and scream "nanananananana".


Here are some facts we have discovered so far:

1. Trump asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival.
2. The prosecutor fired in Ukraine(that was investigating Hunter Biden) was fired with the recommendation of the EU, State Department, and international community
3. Trump withheld aid until the whistleblower called him out, then magically released it, without a clear explanation
4. Trump ordered officials to make contact through a personal lawyer instead of the US State Department.
5. The whitehouse refuses to release any documents or allow staff to testify that are related to this issue, making this process far from transparent(despite republicans claiming democrats are the ones lacking transparency)
6. The democrats are using the same rules and policies that republicans did during the Clinton impeachment despite republicans calling this process "unfair"
7. Trump refused to have a white house meeting with the president of Ukraine unless there was an announcement of an investigation
8. There is ZERO credible evidence that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election
9. Whistleblower laws protect the whistleblower from having his/her identity revealed, however republicans will not stop trying to expose them
10.Trump has consistently intimidated witnesses while they were testifying to congress


Even if HALF of these things were false, the fact that you and 30-40% of our country can dismiss them and go about your day is honestly terrifying


What you cite as facts are better described as half truths.
There are some concerning, even terrifying (to some) things going on in this country, but the actions of this President, on this issue, isnt one of them.
Spend some time, dig deeper, use multiple sources and learn the rest of the story....
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Hunter: "So, um dad? Some Arkansas court says that I am a daddy again. I had to take a paternity test. I fought it, but lost daddy."

Joe: "That is great son!"




The $16.5 million dollar question is?

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Anyone from the left? Bueller?

Mr. Schiff calls a potty break and goes on CNN to call an "ah ha" moment due to this Mr. Sondland testimony.

This is slightly important. Feel free to spend a few moments on this gem. If you notice, it says "Impeachment Hearings".

Dupe away dupey dupertons. Silly libs.




Mr. Schiff's closing argument. The big lie is at 2:44.

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Heard it from a friend who...


Pizz off you lying azzed left wing losers. Just stop. Slap!

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Thats very appropriate.
I would say funny, but given the current state of our politics.....
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A misleading claim about the head of the Ukrainian energy company at the heart of the House impeachment inquiry went viral across conservative pockets of social media Wednesday, receiving hundreds of thousands of retweets and shares from some of the president’s most ardent online supporters.

The incorrect story, first disseminated by the finance blog ZeroHedge, claimed that Mykola Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, had been indicted over money laundering related to the Biden family. Hunter Biden, son of former Vice President Joe Biden, was previously on Burisma’s board of directors.

In fact, there was no announcement of an indictment. Ukraine’s chief prosecutor, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, announced in October his office would conduct a wide-ranging review of all previous cases involving Burisma, and Wednesday said he was including possible embezzlement in the investigation, according to Reuters.

ZeroHedge apparently misconstrued the original Russian article from the Interfax-Ukraine News Agency, which did not mention an indictment. The Interfax-Ukraine News Agency operates as part of Interfax, a Russian news outlet.

But that didn’t stop allies of President Donald Trump from widely disseminating the false account of an indictment, seizing on some truthful elements while wildly extrapolating others to offer conservatives and Trump loyalists a welcome alternative to the day’s news, in which Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, implicated numerous members of the Trump administration in the ongoing impeachment inquiry.


The remainder of this NBC News report is available for anyone who wants to use the https page link that follows.


"As Sondland testified [Wednesday], a misleading Ukraine story spread among conservatives on social media"

Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny for NBC News; November 20, 2019.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tec...ocial-media-n1087511

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As you spread this fake news. 😶
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What would you like congress to do? Every time the house passes something, it doesn’t even get to a vote in the senate. Mitch should actually put the long list of bills passed in the house to a vote instead of sitting on them.

And even when bills are passed(such as Ukraine aid), trump just elects not to follow through with executing them without also getting a political favor(until he gets called out).

This is just another case of republican projection, just like everything else they claim over the last decade.


Do what theyre supposed to do. Advance laws and and constructive policies. Everything they try to do is outlandish or simply just plain stupid, so the Senate tosses it. They wont do anything for healthcare except make speeches, and zero for illegal immigrants. What they want is free everything for everyone which is an impossibility. Sensible Republicans are not going to give everyone that wants it, free college tuition for example. Not gonna happen...ever...period. So they throw the idea in the trashcan.

The Russia deal that went on for years has proven to be absolutely nothing for years now. When thats bombed they needed something new, and poof the whistleblower appears. Of course no one can know who it is, because they are probably made up too. Hillary and her supporters openly violated each and everything they claim that Trump has done illegally. It started with the 'dossier' that made all kinds of outlandish 'facts', like Trump peeing on the bed Obama used in a hotel with a bunch of prostitutes. Then you have the entire Trump family making illegal business deals with everyone on the planet. Either Hillary or Biden have done all the same stuff Trumps accused of, but lets not investigate any of that. Investigating is not even necessary, there IS actual proof of those actions. Bidens sons were on the board of Ukrainian mobsters companies ONLY by being sons of him...no experience in any of those companies fields. Theres physical proof of that. Trump supposedly helped Russia do something (what?) so he could build a hotel in Moscow ? Even if he wanted a hotel there, whats illegal about a hotel business owner wanting to build another hotel ? Am I a traitor if I try to open a body shop franchise in Moscow ? He was in the business long before he was president.

Any supposed criminal action Trump is accused of doing can be found on some liberal/ democrat if someone wants to find it. Hillary should have went to jail JUST for having an illegal server in her home as Secretary of State. Everyone on the planet knows that as a FACT. I guarantee Pelosi and Schumer even have some unethical skeletons in their closets too.

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Do what theyre supposed to do. Advance laws and and constructive policies. Everything they try to do is outlandish or simply just plain stupid, so the Senate tosses it. They wont do anything for healthcare except make speeches, and zero for illegal immigrants. What they want is free everything for everyone which is an impossibility. Sensible Republicans are not going to give everyone that wants it, free college tuition for example. Not gonna happen...ever...period. So they throw the idea in the trashcan.

The Russia deal that went on for years has proven to be absolutely nothing for years now. When thats bombed they needed something new, and poof the whistleblower appears. Of course no one can know who it is, because they are probably made up too. Hillary and her supporters openly violated each and everything they claim that Trump has done illegally. It started with the 'dossier' that made all kinds of outlandish 'facts', like Trump peeing on the bed Obama used in a hotel with a bunch of prostitutes. Then you have the entire Trump family making illegal business deals with everyone on the planet. Either Hillary or Biden have done all the same stuff Trumps accused of, but lets not investigate any of that. Investigating is not even necessary, there IS actual proof of those actions. Bidens sons were on the board of Ukrainian mobsters companies ONLY by being sons of him...no experience in any of those companies fields. Theres physical proof of that. Trump supposedly helped Russia do something (what?) so he could build a hotel in Moscow ? Even if he wanted a hotel there, whats illegal about a hotel business owner wanting to build another hotel ? Am I a traitor if I try to open a body shop franchise in Moscow ? He was in the business long before he was president.

Any supposed criminal action Trump is accused of doing can be found on some liberal/ democrat if someone wants to find it. Hillary should have went to jail JUST for having an illegal server in her home as Secretary of State. Everyone on the planet knows that as a FACT. I guarantee Pelosi and Schumer even have some unethical skeletons in their closets too.


First, you ignore the fact that there was TON of information from the Russian investigation including multiple people spending time in jail.. Yet you want Hillary to go to jail? Hillary actually had the balls to testify, whereas Trump runs and hides.

It is so funny that you care so much about HER EMAILS but you don't care that Trump is essentially doing the same thing? Or you care about Bidens son getting preferential treatment but you don't care about Trump's entire family getting the same treatment?

All of your "information" about Hillary and Biden is based on hearsay, has usually been investigated(by republicans, usually) and consistently comes up with nothing. Yet Trump has been constantly sued and LOST and continually in court and somehow he is not as bad?

Republican Hypocrisy knows no bounds. Here, I will put in a way that many of you can understand.

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As usual, one side of half the story......

I would give anyone who is interested in politics this advice.....

Do not take anything you read or hear at face value. Take the time to read reports, listen to testimony and questions in their entirety and be sure to dig deep into the back stories and history.

I have been immersed in current events since the early '60's. I have never seen the degree of partisan divide as we now have, the lack of truthfulness in the printed and broadcast press or the degree of ignorance among our poorly educated populace concerning political theory and history.

We are truly in a sad state of affairs, and the only way out is for people to dig deep for the truth. So few have taken the time....
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First, you ignore the fact that there was TON of information from the Russian investigation including multiple people spending time in jail.. Yet you want Hillary to go to jail? Hillary actually had the balls to testify, whereas Trump runs and hides.

It is so funny that you care so much about HER EMAILS but you don't care that Trump is essentially doing the same thing? Or you care about Bidens son getting preferential treatment but you don't care about Trump's entire family getting the same treatment?

All of your "information" about Hillary and Biden is based on hearsay, has usually been investigated(by republicans, usually) and consistently comes up with nothing. Yet Trump has been constantly sued and LOST and continually in court and somehow he is not as bad?

Republican Hypocrisy knows no bounds. Here, I will put in a way that many of you can understand.

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Nothing Trump did with Russia was found illegal. Hillary did everything illegal. Just because some people you know or work for you go to jail for THEIR crimes...it has nothing at all to do with Trump. They all went to jail for fake crimes, telling lies about themselves and being their own crooks. How about that whole dossier being found to be all total made up bs ? Hillary and her comrades made up the whole thing so she could win...but voters saw right thru her crap and she got her azz kicked. DNC even paid for it...talk about bribes/ payoffs.

I dont care about Hillarys emails...except they were illegal and contained classified info, also illegal. Far as I know I dont recall Trump even using email. He tweets everything right out in the open or telephone. Maybe he does...unimportant to me.

I dont go after Biden doing what he and his sons do...except its exactly the same thing Trumps family is ACCUSED of . Its the libs that go after Trump, but same is OK for Biden to them. They want it both ways...in their favor. Trumps family cannot make any foreign deals, but Bidens can all be in cahoots with known mobsters in Ukraine. Id like to know what Biden promised or did for them to get his sons on the boards of shady companies. Again noting none of them had any knowledge of that companies business operation. How can I get on the board of directors of Trump Hotels when I have absolutely no knowledge of hotels...that I dont even stay in ever. Id love that $300k job though.

As usual you libs ONLY want any facts that you can use on opposition. Your own are of no concern at all. The Clintons have even been suspected in mulitple murders yet no one has ever investigated them in the slightest. You nuts just laugh it off.

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I might look at this inquiry differently if, the accused was being given a chance to defend himself . But, that is not the case. The resolution the majority passed puts the Dems in total control of the proceeding. I’m not going to suggest that pressure was not applied to get the investigations. But, I fully recognize a lynching when I see it.

I don’t see a single Dem that is concerned about VP Biden getting the Prosecutor fired before releasing funds. Where’s the outrage?

Edited: And Yes, I do think HRC should be prosecuted for crimes against this country.

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Picking up from my previous message in this discussion...

"MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln"

That is the headline or banner at the top of a report that was published yesterday by the Interfax-Ukraine News Agency.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/...krRvQN4SsIY_jYvCJQ34

What that says is "Members of Ukraine's parliament demand that Ukraine's President Zelensky work in tandem with President Trump to investigate suspected corruption involving $7.4 billion dollars."

After reading a report that was also published yesterday by NBC News, I believe that the Interfax-Ukraine News Agency report is about two (2) members of the Ukrainian parliament.

I don't know the total number of MPs that are currently seated in Ukraine's parliament, but I think it is likely a much larger number than "2."

Just starting with that, I am already inclined to suspect that what has been omitted from the Interfax-Ukraine News Agency report is more significant than the report itself, in terms of how any of it relates to the ongoing Impeachment Inquiry in the U.S. House of Representatives.


"As Sondland testified, a misleading Ukraine story spread among conservatives on social media"
Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny for NBC News; November 20, 2019.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tec...ocial-media-n1087511

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Truth be told, Ukraine has been investigating the issue since before Trump was elected. Biden attempted to obstruct the investigation. Trump wanted to put them back on track. Whatever his motivation, it was in the best interest of the USA.
It is likely that Hunter Biden will be implicated in a money laundering operation that is peripheral to the Burisma investigation.
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Truth be told, Ukraine has been investigating the issue since before Trump was elected. Biden attempted to obstruct the investigation. Trump wanted to put them back on track. Whatever his motivation, it was in the best interest of the USA.
It is likely that Hunter Biden will be implicated in a money laundering operation that is peripheral to the Burisma investigation.


Let the truth be known and the chips fall where they may.

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Picking up from my previous message in this discussion...
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Ooooh, tell me more! You have the best news.

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This just in! Stacy is going to testify tomorrow! She has a note from Debra who once saw a movie with Donald Trump in it. SO EVIL!




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This just in! Wullah Black to testify at tomorrows inquiry.

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Wullah Black..! Thanks. I had not remembered or reminisced about that discussion since it coasted to a stop.

Knock Knock.

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Republican Congressman Will Hurd from Texas, gets "Tonight's Last Word"... from yesterday. Thursday, November 21, 2019.

YouTube video content from the PBS NewsHour channel; 4 minutes and 40 seconds.
https://youtu.be/iq-pKrVfc-w

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Nostradamus Kania!

Posted by me earlier... Click to show

Less than 45 minutes ago... https://www.yahoo.com/enter...biden-141118374.html

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Well, apparently the “inquiry” is concluded and their report will be sent to a committee to draft an Impeachment charge for the Senate to judicate.

All I have to say about that is, let’s get it on. First witness to be called, Hunter Biden.

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"Lindsey Graham Launches Senate Investigation Into Bidens and Ukraine"
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Originally posted by Threedog:
I disappear because people here want to hurl insults and ignore whatever I write instead of actually discuss the facts of what is going on.


Let's see if you are talking zhit or just perceive it that way. Let's discuss.

 
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Originally posted by Threedog:
Here are some facts we have discovered so far:


1. Trump asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival.
So what ? Do you have an issue with investigations to find the truth ? Nobama and the Left's media wasn't going to do it. In fact, Shillary did the same thing, asked and paid Ukrainian help to get dirt on Trump. She also paid for a fake Russian dossier.
Do you think outside interference is a bad thing ? We should outlaw out of State money to be donated to other State's elections.


2. The prosecutor fired in Ukraine(that was investigating Hunter Biden) was fired with the recommendation of the EU, State Department, and international community.
Yes, Ukrain has been one of the World's worst corrupt state actors. Yet VP Biden threatened that within 6 hours, if Ukraine did not stop investigating the hiring of Hunter Biden corruption at Burismo, he would withhold 6 billion US taxpayer dollars, quid pro quoe. Then, bragged about getting his way, on tape.

3. Trump withheld aid until the whistleblower called him out, then magically released it, without a clear explanation.
That is inaccurate and I think you are ignorant to the procedure. Why did not Congress just cut a check ?

4. Trump ordered officials to make contact through a personal lawyer instead of the US State Department.
Ah yes, the ole' whine "that ain't the way we used to do it", . Presidents have been going around the State Department since way way back. Since before President Andrew Jackson I believe.

5. The whitehouse refuses to release any documents or allow staff to testify that are related to this issue, making this process far from transparent(despite republicans claiming democrats are the ones lacking transparency).
My, my. Short memory much ? Do you remember the Mueller investigation ? What was that Nobama term made popular ? "Unprecedented" ?
During the Mueller witch hunt (Mueller hired 17 never Trumper Democrats, including some working for Shillary) Trump gave an unprecedented number of documents and made available all requested persons asked to testify. Yet you still want him, despite Executive Privilege, to still provide persons and documents, so they can fake a case to hang him. .


6. The democrats are using the same rules and policies that republicans did during the Clinton impeachment ...
Either you really are that ignorant, or believe your news source intelligence, or are lying.

7. Trump refused to have a white house meeting with the president of Ukraine unless there was an announcement of an investigation
Do you want your President allowing into the White House corrupt foreign leaders ? The Ukranians have a long history of making backroom promises only not to deliver. Trump wanted a public announcement to investigate corruption so as he could hold their feet to the fire for ongoing support in the future. The Ukranian's previous deceptions were good enough reason to stall the aid agreed by Congress.

8. There is ZERO credible evidence that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election
[color=red][b]There have been ZERO credible investigations. Except in Ukraine. Which Biden blocked. Plenty of smoke though. Here, Trump is trying to investigate and the Dumbs are all up in arms.
Don't you care if there are investigations, or rather there not be ? ?? ???

9. Whistleblower laws protect the whistleblower from having his/her identity revealed, however republicans will not stop trying to expose them
[color=red][b]Puleeze. Where in the Whistle Blower Protection Act (5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(8)-(9), Pub.L. 101-12) is that mandated ?
In fact the second hand leaker did not qualify to be a whistle blower until Sept 2019, sfter he spoke with the Shifty mob. The rules were changed to accommodate him in Sept, and Backdated Whistleblower Rule Changes


10.Trump has consistently intimidated witnesses while they were testifying to congress
How can your President intimidate a witness while he is focused only on a Congressional Hearing ?

 
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In the Mueller Report(which did not clear the president, it simply said you can't indict a sitting president) the president obstructed justice constantly, just like is going on now.


The Mueller report did clear your President. It could have found the charges true and still said that a sitting President could not be indicted.
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By the way, your MNSBC girlfriend, Maya Wiley, sexted me naked pictures of her. I think she wants attention, so I will share them, .



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Just funny right there it is.
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Anyone with an 8th grade education or higher should be able to understand this...

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Originally posted by cliffw:
I would say impeachment proceedings begin when Articles of Impeachment are drawn up.


I know it seems like I am belaboring the terminology but when words get accepted, they seem to become fact. Such as Climate Change.

Last Sunday, Nancy Pelosi did an interview on "Face The Nation" (youtube video). At the four minute mark she says ... "there has not even been made a decision to impeach the President". The reporter then says, at the 4:15 mark that ... "correct, there has not been made a decision to proceed ...".

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Picking up from my previous message in this discussion...

"MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln"


7.4B ? Wow ! Was that a tease, or do you plan on getting back to us with details ?
Thinking about it ... why would they demand Trump investigate their bank ? Of less of course you mean the 1.8B dollars Nobama grifted to Privatbank, which disappeared.

Did Biden Save This Ukraine Firm Responsible for $1.8B in Missing Aid? His Son is on the Board of …

There are many tidbits in this article.
 
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On April 16, 2014, Biden met with Devon Archer, a former star fundraiser for John Kerry’s 2004 presidential run and business partner in Rosemont Capital with Biden’s son Hunter. (Federal agents would later arrest Archer in May 2016 for defrauding a Native American tribe.)

Less than a week later (April 22) came an announcement that Archer had joined the board of Burisma, a secretive Ukrainian natural gas company. On May 13, Hunter Biden would also join the company’s board.


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Jeeze, the Never Trumpers, they are standing up strong that their President did not support a flegding democracy. By not supplying money that they could use to buy Hell Fire missles. Yet forget that Nobama only provided "meals ready to eat" and blankets. Hell Fire missles ? Meh, baby food compared to the 2,000 Nuclear Weapons .

 
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In 1994, through an accident of fate, the newly independent country of Ukraine found itself in possession of the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal.

At first, Ukraine planned to keep its nuclear weapons. But, at the insistence of the two strongest powers in the world — Russia and the United States — Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for perpetual guarantees of sovereignty and territorial integrity.
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Picking up on that last remark, about Obama vs Trump, and Obama's resistance against the provision of battlefield weapons for the Ukraine, it would seem relevant to consider that Obama reached the end of his second term. What might Obama have decided if he were still in office, in response to changing conditions or the persistence of the conflict between the Ukraine and Russian-backed insurgents? What might Hillary Clinton have decided (about Ukraine,) if she had become POTUS..?

Not such a simple or obvious comparison.

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Another part of that is Congress. How did the 2018 midterms and the flipping of the House of Representatives that has most recently had more Democrats than Republicans in the House tie in with the provision of this military assistance package for the Ukraine that is at or near the center of the "Impeachment-palooza"..?

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By the way, your MNSBC girlfriend, Maya Wiley, sexted me naked pictures of her. I think she wants attention, so I will share them, .



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How honorable do you find it for a man to criticize a woman’s looks, or apply derogatory nicknames to her?
How would you you like the women in your life to be treated by douchebag strangers?
Grow up.

You don’t have to like her, but I’m quite sure based on your age you were taught better than that when it comes to women.

How do you expect any of that you typed in RED to be taken seriously if you continually regress to 4th grade antics?

P.S. Almost every “talking point” you typed in red is complete horse-sh!t.
I mean, you know that, right?

It’s fairly easy to figure out.
I have yet to see you or others call out a single person from your side for even the simplest infraction.
Despite the fact that quite a few of Donald Trumps “All the best people” have quit or been accused, tried & convicted of crimes, with more to come, I’m sure.

No acknowledgement, no truth, just excuses & conspiracy theories.
“Drain The Swamp” indeed.
All he did was import his own menagerie of mudsuckers.
Which have mostly gone belly-up.

I can go on line and see a picture of the President of the United States wife’s tits, but I can’t see his tax returns.

Donald Trump is an egotistical charlatan.
He doesn’t care about you OR this country.
He cares about HIM.
He is a con-man.

And if you absolutely need your concern or outrage, it should be with how easily you were taken in.

I believe History will prove exactly that.

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Kind of a messaging-palooza...


"Former CIA Director: We worried arming Ukraine would hand technology to Russian spies"
 
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Under Obama the military opposed giving Javelin missiles to Ukraine because of fear Russia would get access to sensitive tech[nology], said ex-CIA chief Brennan.

 
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In particular, said Brennan, now an NBC News analyst, the military was opposed to providing Javelin anti-tank missiles to the Ukrainians during the Obama administration "because of fear that the Russians would get access to Javelin's sensitive technology,"...

 
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"I believe it is appropriate that Ukrainian forces have Javelins now because of the work that has been done over the past five years to reduce Russian presence and influence, but giving Javelins to the Ukrainians earlier would have risked compromising a very important and sensitive weapon system that could have come back to haunt U.S. forces on the battlefield.

Ken Dilanian for NBC News; November 22, 2019.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...-technology-n1089926

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It's a shame that the Impeachment-palooza is not benefiting from the excellence of top ranked real-time game analysts like Monday Night Football's Booger McFarland, but I will try to lend a hand. I recommend this online video content which looks at some of the testimony from Russia scholar Fiona Hill, who was part of the Trump Administration's National Security Council until her departure in July, just a week before the now "celebrated" telephone conversation between U.S. President Donald J Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Opening segment from MSNBC's "The Last Word;" November 22, 2019.
Video content 13+ minutes
https://www.msnbc.com/the-l...theories-73939013995

This is my "director's cut," goes to YouTube and picks up the same on-air video segment at 4 minutes in, where I think it gets the most informative.
https://youtu.be/zHDI_m4Vnn0?t=259

I think it does a great job of defending against one of Team Trump's 'misdirection' plays, which is designed to draw the eyes of the defenders towards a fake Ukraine interference with the 2016 U.S. national elections, and open up a lane on the other side of the field for Trump to gain rushing yards behind the blocking fullback from Russia, Vladimir Putin.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I can go on line and see a picture of the President of the United States wife’s tits, but I can’t see his tax returns.



 
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

How would you you like the women in your life to be treated by douchebag strangers?
Grow up.

You don’t have to like her, but I’m quite sure based on your age you were taught better than that when it comes to women.





 
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Maybe weed don’t make you stupid...maybe it’s the man.



In your case it's both.

Maybe you should just stick with what your <8th grade mind knows best. Alcohol, drugs and handling old bowling shoes

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It's a shame that the Impeachment-palooza is not benefiting from the excellence of top ranked real-time game analysts like Monday Night Football's Booger McFarland,

Opening segment from MSNBC's "The Last Word;" November 22, 2019.



While drooling Psychopath Ronald is obsessed with boogers and watching MSLSD 24/7, here is 41+ minutes of reality.

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I believe History will prove exactly that.




From Donald Eugene Keech, the man who posted a picture of semen and ashes in regards to the Jewish peoples? Seriously, ?

Then bring up 4th grade like the 8th grade dropout is able to even Trump a child? Bwahahaha!

Hey shoe boy, history has REPEATEDLY been on my side. You are still waiting for a win. Still waiting after all of these years. Still our President. Still you have someone else sign your checks. Still Googling Donald Eugene Keech (select images).

Tacos. Free tacos.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:
How honorable do you find it for a man to criticize a woman’s looks, or apply derogatory nicknames to her?


For a man, or me ? For a man, I do find it honorable to apply his comedic observations, not worried about butt hurt feelings, nor being politically correct feministley correct.
For me ? My honor is intact.

 
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How would you you like the women in your life to be treated by douchebag strangers?
Grow up.


I would like them to have thicker nut sacks than you do. Grow up ! We are supposed to tell every woman that they are beautiful, no matter what we think.
I would expect them to be confident in themselves and as an adult, not every person will think as they do.

 
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You don’t have to like her, but I’m quite sure based on your age you were taught better than that when it comes to women.


As a woman, ? How sexist of you.

 
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How do you expect any of that you typed in RED to be taken seriously if you continually regress to 4th grade antics?


We are about the same age. I don't expect nothing. I could have responded in pink flowery text and the truth would still not change. It is easy to whip a 4th graders' logic yet no one is trying ? At least I had the balls to take on threedog's ?2th grade? education.
Speaking of education, ... I am a high school drop out, can you refute anything I said ?

 
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
P.S. Almost every “talking point” you typed in red is complete horse-sh!t.
I mean, you know that, right?

It’s fairly easy to figure out.


Put up or shut up.

 
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
I have yet to see you or others call out a single person from your side for even the simplest infraction.
Despite the fact that quite a few of Donald Trumps “All the best people” have quit or been accused, tried & convicted of crimes, with more to come, I’m sure.


Ah yes, the 'ole double standard, .

 
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I can go on line and see a picture of the President of the United States wife’s tits, but I can’t see his tax returns.


I don't need to go online and see Melania's tits. They are beautiful, . I don't need to see your President's previous tax returns. , again with the double standard. The Nobama birth certificate ? His college transcripts ?
What did / are they doing today ?

 
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Husiegn Nobama is an egotistical charlatan.
He doesn’t care about you OR this country.
He cares about HIM.
He is a con-man.


 
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
And if you absolutely need your concern or outrage, it should be with how easily you were taken in.

I believe History will prove exactly that.


Taken in ?
Four more years !
Four more years !
Four more years !

Good night, goodbye.

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