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Google blocking un-secure websites beginning Feb 2020... by RickN
Started on: 11-02-2019 10:44 PM
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Report this Post11-02-2019 10:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RickNClick Here to Email RickNSend a Private Message to RickNEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Cliff, what does this mean for Pennocks?

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Means won't access PFF and a lot more w/ Chrome and likely many Android things soon.
Likely blocked in others base on Chrome like Brave et al too soon.

If you thing IE was bad w/ the monopoly that destroyed Netscape... Google now basically have most of web and can controls what standards from W3C, if any, will get supported.
Only reason Google pays money, Millions of $, to FF is to fake Chrome has competition.

Many web sites still use Flash including US Gov like NOAA radar and Google want to block all Flash too. Chrome & FF make you to accept Flash now.

FF Google EFF and others with Big Money that they easily burn everyday say Every site should have HTTPS. This is expensive to have it regardless many can get free keys. It takes Time and more for admins running a site and many don't see enough money to add encryption.

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Originally posted by RickN:

Cliff, what does this mean for Pennocks?




It's totally lame. Basically, any website that doesn't use SSL or TLS won't be accessible.

Pretty much, that means all "http" websites are blocked.


Good luck Google... they'll reverse course.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It's totally lame. Basically, any website that doesn't use SSL or TLS won't be accessible.

Pretty much, that means all "http" websites are blocked.


Good luck Google... they'll reverse course.

control the information, control the world.
While everyone worries about Russia this, china that, that in my opinion is a smoke screen for google to make huge leaps in control of what info people get, and slowly get more control.
GOOGLE is a huge problem, not china or Russia.

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Originally posted by E.Furgal:
GOOGLE is a huge problem, not china or Russia.


I get your point, but Google can’t amass a billion bayonets against me.
Although, I would rather be gutted with a rusty spork than have my pron messed with!

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The way I understand it, if the website is HTTPS, then non-HTTPS content will not be displayed. That should not affect PFF.
If you are on a secure website, non-secure ads and such will not come through.

https://blog.chromium.org/2...ges-about-https.html

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Report this Post11-06-2019 04:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

 
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Originally posted by williegoat:

The way I understand it, if the website is HTTPS, then non-HTTPS content will not be displayed. That should not affect PFF.
If you are on a secure website, non-secure ads and such will not come through.

https://blog.chromium.org/2...ges-about-https.html


That is how I read it as well. Might affect some ads or other links here that are not secure or have content that is not 'secure' but other than that I think PFF will be ok for Chrome users.

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Originally posted by williegoat:
The way I understand it, if the website is HTTPS, then non-HTTPS content will not be displayed. That should not affect PFF.
If you are on a secure website, non-secure ads and such will not come through.

https://blog.chromium.org/2...ges-about-https.html
Sadly Is only a start of banning unencrypted data. Google et al want all sites to be encrypted and as soon as possible.

Google and others are likely going to see lawsuits because browsers have little "Rights" to ban HTTP sites.

There's many sites that have HTTPS only for the Store. Allot of sites don't sell anything and see No Point having encryption. Yet Google EFF and others are trying to force all to have HTTPS.

Can Warning all they like because ___ site doesn't have Encryption but this ban likely can backfire and give Fed, States, EU, and other Counties more reason to go after them for Anti Trust etc.

Right now only FF Opera and Safari don't have Chrome as base code to build on and each have < 10% of market share. (See https://netmarketshare.com/...er-market-share.aspx )
IE is old but many still use it because many businesses still require them to do so. A lot of users still run 8.x, 7, Vista and older and never bother to use anything but IE.
Edge is now Chrome w/ MS skin.

But FF and others are trying to do same or waiting to see how big trouble Google gets before announcing.
Example: FF said this ban is their plan in 2015.
 
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After a robust discussion on our community mailing list, Mozilla is committing to focus new development efforts on the secure web, and start removing capabilities from the non-secure web. There are two broad elements of this plan:

1. Setting a date after which all new features will be available only to secure websites
2. Gradually phasing out access to browser features for non-secure websites, especially features that pose risks to users’ security and privacy.
IOW We already plan to ban HTTP at some point but posts in forums/lists look like we listen or care about our users.

FF cares so much now force you to get every upgrade/update or you get constant popups to upgrade. You lost the right to upgrade only when wanted or never.

Is funny that Google et al say you are safe w/ HTTPS. Doubleclick, now owned by Google and others will track you regardless how you set your browser. And Ad Farms still have big problems w/ malware getting in/thru them. Same for Google Play Store. If you think unencrypted data parts on HTTPS is bad... Most of that is from Doubleclick and other Ad Farms. This is done so browser make pages faster and likely cheap for them and likely easier to track you.

Go to CNN and others w/ FF NoScript and look at number of scripts push by ad farms and others. Then get photo info to see pictures and bugs even w/o scripts attach to them. Many times a page times out, it's often these items that fail. Add Encryption to all of that expect more problems loading pages more so then have low bandwidth connections.

HTTPS Does Not = the NSA etc can't spy. Google and others have to stay legal in most countries including China India etc that Require them to give access to everything. If you think China is unique... Look up BlackBerry in India who had to put servers in India to have a business there. That server gave India everything from every Blackberry including most visitors/traveler. That is part of Why Blackberry is functionally gone. Plus US has Email and other "spy" devices to install in most ISP etc. and thank to Patriot Act, FISA "Courts" and others Google and others can't tell you when installed or anything else.

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