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Ford Versus Ferrari Movie by blackrams
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https://www.youtube.com/wat...gQodOycE2A&gclsrc=ds

Think'n this one will be good for my soul and I'm not even a Ford Man.

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There's a remarkable museum, near (but not within) San Francisco.

"Cobra Experience"... the legacy of Carroll Shelby
https://www.cobraexperience.org

It speaks for itself:
 
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The Cobra Experience is a 25,000 square-foot museum located in Martinez, CA, and showcases original Cobra’s, Shelby Mustangs, Daytona Coupe, GT40, King Cobra, Sunbeam Tigers and a Lotus. Currently there are 24 cars on display, but this number fluctuates month to month. There are engine and wheel displays, posters, photos and a shop scene as it was at Shelby American in the 60’s. Unique to the museum is a 40-seat surround sound theater which features a HD film about the cars and about the Ford and Shelby American story.


During the guided tour when I was there, they started up one of the race cars on the museum floor, for people to see and listen to the car with the engine running.

Been there, done that... and thinking about doing it again.
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Is that an Electra jr in the screenshot?



I'm very much looking forward to watching this movie.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Is that an Electra jr in the screenshot?

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I think that is a Beech 18. But what do I know?

 
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I'm very much looking forward to watching this movie.

I am not a movie fan, but I might have to buy this one.
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It opened this weekend, to stellar reviews and a projected $30 million US gross and $52 million globally..

https://www.forbes.com/site...errari/#162e0a67661b

https://www.cinemablend.com...cores-youll-ever-see

In the UK, it's titled Lemans '66.

https://www.theguardian.com...res-on-all-cylinders

I'm in

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I am not a movie fan, but I might have to buy this one.


Made a point to see this movie Thursday evening. Lived up to my expectations. Yes, I do recommend seeing this and take this wife along even if she isn’t into cars. An excellent excellent story of two good friends.
Just don’t buy the popcorn, damn it’s expensive!

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Made a point to see this movie Thursday evening. Lived up to my expectations. Yes, I do recommend seeing this and take this wife along even if she isn’t into cars. An excellent excellent story of two good friends.
Just don’t buy the popcorn, damn it’s expensive!

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I know the story well. To me, it is the greatest story in all of racing and a tribute to American perseverance (with a little help from the English).
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How about the way that the movie had Ken Miles falling behind at the very start of the race, having a problem with the door?

Is that based closely on something that actually happened?

I had a problem like that. The driver's side door latch had failed--actually the door had dropped so that it was not aligned with the frame. Even a small turn at low speed, and the door was swinging wide open from centrifugal force. And I was going like 15 or 20 mph, to try to get back home with it from a short distance away.

It's hard for me to imagine that on a racetrack. That Ken Miles would have been able to even get started in the race, that way.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

How about the way that the movie had Ken Miles falling behind at the very start of the race, having a problem with the door?

Is that based closely on something that actually happened?

I had a problem like that. The driver's side door latch had failed--actually the door had dropped so that it was not aligned with the frame. Even a small turn at low speed, and the door was swinging wide open from centrifugal force. And I was going like 15 or 20 mph, to try to get back home with it from a short distance away.

It's hard for me to imagine that on a racetrack. That Ken Miles would have been able to even get started in the race, that way.


I haven't seen the movie as it hasn't opened anywhere closer to me than 30 miles away so I really don't know, but perhaps this will address the question...
Remember,
 
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"Don't believe everything you think imagine..

All the things the movie got right and got wrong about the real story...:
 
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First, all the things ‘Ford v Ferrari’ got right
Give Ford v Ferrari credit where its due. The movie got a lot right. From the collapse of the Ford purchase of Ferrari to the development of the GT40 to the finish line of the Le Mans, much of what’s in the movie checks out.

Removable brakes were a key invention as Phil Remington (Ray McKinnon) developed quick change brake rotors for pit stops. The yarn test was real. They taped pieces of yarn to the car to study the wind. The explanation may get a little lost in the film, but an excerpt from the book Go Like Hell: Ford, Ferrari and Their Battle for Speed and Glory at Le Mans published on Jalopnik explains that air ducting was costing them up to 76 horsepower, so they were able to gain speed just by circulating the wind better.
Events of the 1966 Le Mans, like Miles’ door getting stuck after dodging a starting line collision, really happened. Miles really did win the Sebring-Daytona-Le Mans triple crown in 1966.


You can read the rest at:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/...the-real-story.html/

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I thought he actually made contact with Whitmore. Here is a link to photos of the start: https://www.motorsportimage.../?p=20&event_id=4415
The second and third photos on the page show the "incident". Miles in #1 and Whitmore in #8
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

There's a remarkable museum, near (but not within) San Francisco.

"Cobra Experience"... the legacy of Carroll Shelby
https://www.cobraexperience.org

It speaks for itself:

During the guided tour when I was there, they started up one of the race cars on the museum floor, for people to see and listen to the car with the engine running.

Been there, done that... and thinking about doing it again.


The "Cobra Experience" (in Martinez) was very good...To the point of amazing; They had an old AC Ace (The car the Cobra was based on)- It had been found in a field and was not restored. They had numerous Cobras, Shelby Mustangs and even a Daytona Coupe (The Aero bodied Cobra (30 MPH faster with the same engine).

The car that they started up was a GT40 with the "bundle of snakes" Exhaust....(180 Degree headers)...The sound was just awesome (My ears are still ringing!)

In my teenage years I was a Ford man...So the story of Enzo insulting Ford and then Ford beating the crap out of Ferrari was great (Ferrari never won Le Mans ever again with a prototype car)

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So the story of Enzo insulting Ford and then Ford beating the crap out of Ferrari was great (Ferrari never won Le Mans ever again with a prototype car)


And that my friend is one of the feel good moments of this movie. 👍
But I don’t want to give too much away.
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Yep, evenother than content, this one will probably have some good acting in it as well.
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I think Williegoat is correct that its a Beechcraft Super 18, Connie Kallita started an air freight business using DC3s and Beech Super 18s. His were converted to tricycle gear and King Air turbo props. He flew them into the airport I managed for a while in Ohio hauling manufactured parts from there to Kentucky for I think Toyota.

"In 1967 Conrad "Connie" Kalitta began a business carrying car parts using a twin engine Cessna 310 that he piloted. It became American International Airways. AIA started flying in 1984 using Boeing 747, Lockheed L-1011, Douglas DC-8, Twin Beech and Learjet aircraft, for air freight, air ambulance and charter passenger operations."

original specs

Modified w/ turbo props and trike gear
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The two dead giveaways are the little round window and the fact that the horizontal stabilizer does not extend beyond the vertical stabs as it does on the Lockheed.

However, I don't think the "Super" (later models) had the little round window.

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Theres no limit to window mods on these. Ive seen them with 4' long 'picture' windows like a station wagon. Kalittas that he flew into my airport had no windows in the sides at all. Same with his DC3s. All you have to do is rivet in a new piece of aluminum where they were. I think the original Sky King plane was a Beech 18, till he changed to a Piper Apache.
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Anyone know what plane was used in the old TV series "The Flying Doctor"?
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If you look at your two pictures, the first is a "super", the second is not. The "super" has a taller cabin.

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They were both model 18s, just like there are different Mustangs. I even think the ones modified with turbines were copied by factory at some point and named Beech Volpar. Originals had Pratt & Whitney radials. There are literally 100 different models of the Beech 18. Heres a list I found :

Variants
Manufacturer models


Model 18A
First production model with seating for two pilots and seven or eight passengers, fitted with Wright R-760E-2 engines of 350 horsepower (260 kW), MTOW: 6,700 lb (3,000 kg)[22][23]
Model S18A
Version of Model 18A capable of being fitted with skis or Edo 55-7170 floats; MTOW: 7,200 lb (3,300 kg)[23]
Model 18B
Improved model with increased range and useful load, fitted with 285 hp (213 kW) Jacobs L-5 engines[22][24][25]
Model S18B
Version of Model 18B capable of being fitted with skis or floats.
Model 18D
Variant with seating for two pilots and nine passengers, fitted with Jacobs L-6 engines of 330 horsepower (250 kW), MTOW: 7,200 lb (3,300 kg).[26]
Model S18D
Version of Model 18D capable of being fitted with skis or Edo 55-7170 floats, MTOW: 7,170 lb (3,250 kg)[13][26]
Model A18D
Variant of 18D with MTOW increased by 300 lb (140 kg) to 7,500 lb (3,400 kg), fitted with Pratt and Whitney R-985 engines with 450 hp each[26]
Model SA18D
Seaplane version of Model A18D, but same MTOW as S18D, fitted with Edo 55-7170 floats[26]
Model A18A
Version fitted with Pratt and Whitney R-985 engines of 450 horsepower (340 kW), MTOW: 7,500 lb (3,400 kg)[26]
Model SA18A
Seaplane version of Model A18A, fitted with Edo 55-7170 floats, MTOW: 7,170 lb (3,250 kg)[26]
Model 18R
Model with Pratt and Whitney R-985-A1 engines with dual-stage blower for increased power at higher operating altitudes, 450 horsepower (340 kW), seven built, one to Sweden as an air ambulance, six to Nationalist China as M18R light bombers[12][22]
Model 18S
Nine-passenger pre-World War II civil variant, served as basis for USAAF C-45C[2]
Model B18S
Nine-passenger pre-World War II civil variant, served as basis for USAAF F-2[2]
Model C18S
Variant of B18S with seating for eight passengers, and equipment and minor structural changes[27]
Model D18S
First post-World War II variant introduced in 1945, with seating for eight passengers and MTOW of 8,750 lb (3,970 kg), 1,035 built[28][29]
Model D18C
Variant with Continental R9-A engines of 525 horsepower (391 kW) and MTOW of 9,000 lb (4,100 kg), introduced in 1947, 31 built.[28][30]
Model E18S
Variant with redesigned wing and MTOW of 9,300 lb (4,200 kg); 403 built[28]
Model E18S-9700
Variant of E18S with MTOW of 9,700 lb (4,400 kg); 57 built[28]
Model G18S

A Model G18S arrives at the 2016 RIAT, England
Superseded E18S, MTOW of 9,700 lb (4,400 kg); 155 built[28][29]
Model G18S-9150
Lightweight version of G18, MTOW of 9,150 lb (4,150 kg); one built[28][29]
Model H18
Last production version, fitted with optional tricycle undercarriage developed by Volpar and MTOW of 9,900 lb (4,500 kg); 149 built, of which 109 were manufactured with tricycle undercarriage[9][28][29]
Military versions
USAAC/USAAF Designations
C-45
Six-seat staff transport based on C18S;[27] 11 built[31][32]
C-45A
Eight-seat utility transport based on C18S;[27] 20 built[31]
RC-45A
Redesignation of all surviving F-2, F-2A, and F-2B aircraft by the USAF in 1948
C-45B
Based on C18S, but with modified internal layout; 223 ordered, redesignated UC-45B in 1943[27][32]
C-45C
Two Model 18S aircraft impressed into the USAAF, redesignated UC-45C in January 1943[2][22][33]
C-45D
Designation given to two AT-7 aircraft converted as passenger transports during manufacture, redesignated UC-45D in January 1943[33][34]

C-45F at the Barksdale Global Power Museum

C-45H/AT-7 CAF, Platte Valley Airpark, Hudson, CO, June 2007
C-45E
Designation given to two AT-7 and four AT-7B aircraft converted as passenger transports during manufacture, redesignated UC-45E in January 1943[33][34]
C-45F
Standardized seven-seat version based on C18S, with longer nose than preceding models;[27] 1,137 ordered, redesignated UC-45F[32]
C-45G
AT-7s and AT-11s remanufactured in the early 1950s for the USAF to similar standard as civil D18S with autopilot and R-985-AN-3 engines; 372 aircraft rebuilt[14][35]
TC-45G
Multiengine crew trainer variant of C-45G; AT-7s and AT-11s remanufactured in the early 1950s for the USAF to similar standard as civil D18S, 96 aircraft rebuilt[14][35]
C-45H
AT-7s and AT-11s remanufactured in the early 1950s for the USAF to similar standard as civil D18S, with no autopilot and R-985-AN-14B engines; 432 aircraft rebuilt[14][36]
TC-45H [28]
RC-45J [28]
In 1962, all surviving U.S. Navy SNB-5Ps were redesignated RC-45J.
TC-45J [28]
In 1962 all surviving U.S. Navy SNB-5s were redesignated TC-45J.
UC-45J [28]

AT-11 at the Barksdale Global Power Museum
AT-7 Navigator
Navigation trainer based on C18S,[27] with an astrodome and positions for three students, powered by 450-hp Pratt & Whitney R-985-25 engines; 577 built[31][32]
AT-7A
Floatplane version of AT-7; six built[31]
AT-7B
Winterised AT-7; nine built[31]
AT-7C
Based on C18S[27] with R-985-AN3 engines; 549 built[31]
AT-11 Kansan
Bombing and gunnery trainer for USAAF derived from AT-7, fuselage had small, circular cabin windows, bombardier position in nose, and bomb bay; gunnery trainers were also fitted with two or three .30-caliber machine guns, early models (the first 150 built) had a single .30-cal AN-M2 in a Beechcraft-manufactured top turret, later models used a Crocker Wheeler twin .30-cal top turret, a bottom tunnel gun was used for tail gunner training, 1,582 built for USAAF orders, with 24 ordered by Netherlands repossessed by USAAF and used by the Royal Netherlands Military Flying School at Jackson, Mississippi.[37][38]
AT-11A
Conversion of AT-11 as navigation trainer; 36 converted[38]
CQ-3
Conversion of UC-45F, modified to act as drone control aircraft, redesignated as DC-45F in June 1948[citation needed]

F-2s in Alaska, 1941
F-2
Photo-reconnaissance version based on B18[2]
F-2A
Improved version
F-2B
US Navy Designations

SNB-1 Kansan

SNB-2 Navigator
JRB-1
Photographic aircraft, based on the C18S,[27] fitted with fairing over cockpit for improved visibility, 11 built[39]
JRB-2
Light transport, based on the C18S;[27] 15 built[39]
JRB-3
Photographic version, similar to C-45B; 23 built[39]
JRB-4
Utility transport version, equivalent to UC-45F'; 328 built.[39]
JRB-6 [28]
SNB-1
Similar to AT-11;[40] 110 built[41]
SNB-2
Navigation trainer[40] similar to AT-7, 299 built
SNB-2C
Navigation trainer[40]
SNB-2H
Ambulance conversion[40]
SNB-2P
Photo-reconnaissance trainer[40]
SNB-3
Navigation trainer
SNB-3Q
Electronic counter-measures trainer
SNB-5 [28]
SNB-2s and SNB-2Cs were remanufactured, and designated SNB-5.
SNB-5P [28]
Photo-reconnaissance trainer
RAF/RCAF Lend-lease Designations
Expeditor I
C-45Bs supplied to the RAF under Lend-Lease.
Expeditor II
C-45Fs supplied to the RAF and Royal Navy under Lend-Lease
Expeditor III
C-45Fs supplied to the RCAF under Lend-Lease
Post-war RCAF designations
C-45Ds delivered between 1951 and 1952.[42]

Expeditor 3N
navigation trainer - 88 built[43]
Expeditor 3NM
navigational trainer that could be converted to a transport - 59 built[44]
Expeditor 3NMT
3NM converted to a transport aircraft - 67 built[45]
Expeditor 3NMT(Special)
navigation trainer/personnel transport - 19 built[46]
Expeditor 3TM
transport with fittings so it could be converted to a navigation trainer - 44 built[43]
Expeditor 3TM(Special)
modified RCAF Expeditors used overseas in conjunction with Project WPB6 - three built.[47]
Conversions

PacAero Tradewind
Conrad 9800
Modification increasing the gross weight to 9,800 pounds with a single piece windshield [48]
Dumod I
Executive conversion with Volpar tricycle landing gear, new wing tips, enlarged fight deck and refurbished 6–7 seat cabin with larger windows. Originally named Infinité I. 37 converted by 1966.[49]
Dumod Liner
Stretched airliner conversion. Similar to Dumod I but with forward fuselage stretched by 6 feet 3 inches (1.91 m), allowing up to 15 passengers to be carried. Originally named Infinité II.[49]
Hamilton HA-1
conversion of a TC-45J aircraft
Hamilton Little Liner
Modification of D18S with aerodynamic improvements and new, retractable tailwheel, capable of carrying 11 seats[50]
Hamilton Westwind
Turboprop conversions with various engines

Hamilton Westwind III conversion at an airfield in Tennessee
Hamilton Westwind II STD
Stretched conversion powered by two 840-hp PT6As, and with accommodation for up to 17 passengers.[51]
Hamilton Westwind III
two 579-hp PT6A-20s or 630-hp PT6A-27s or 630-hp Lycoming LTS101s.
Hamilton Westwind IV
two 570-hp Lycoming LTP101s or 680-hp PT6A-28s or 750-hp PT6A-34s or 1020-hp PT6A-45s
PacAero Tradewind
Conversion of Beech D18S/C-45 to five- to 11-seat executive transport with single fin by Pacific Airmotive
SFERMA-Beechcraft PD.18S
Modification of Beech 18S powered by two Turboméca Bastan turboprops.[52]
Volpar (Beechcraft) Model 18
Conversion of Model 18 with nosewheel undercarriage[53][54]
Volpar (Beechcraft) Super 18
Volpar (Beechcraft) Turbo 18
Beech Model 18s fitted with the Volpar MkIV tricycle undercarriage and powered by two 705-hp Garrett TPE331-1-101B turboprop engines, flat-rated to 605 hp (451 kW), driving Hartzell HC-B3TN-5 three-bladed, reversible-pitch, constant-speed feathering propellers[54]
Volpar (Beechcraft) Super Turbo 18
2x 705 hp (526 kW) Garrett TPE331
Volpar (Beechcraft) C-45G
C-45G aircraft modified with tricycle undercarriage
Volpar (Beechcraft) Turboliner
15-passenger version of the Turbo 18 with extended fuselage, powered by 2 705-hp Garrett TPE331-1-101Bs[55]
Volpar (Beechcraft) Turboliner II
Turboliners modified to meet SFAR 23[55]
I think there were several different planes in that series. I think the main one was a GAF Nomad, but I seen Twin Otters, Aero Commanders and Cessna twins like the 421. Aero Commanders are distinctive because they are usually high winged turboprops and the fuselage is very close to the ground almost car like.

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Your first photo is an E18S-9700, built in 1959. It was de-registered in 1993.

Your second photo, N399V began life in 1953 as a C-45H (military version) and was later converted by Volpar.
The nose gear collapsed in Alaska in 1969, then the aircraft lost a battle with some trees in Oklahoma in 1984: loss of power due to fuel contamination.

 
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I think Williegoat is correct that its a Beechcraft Super 18

The point is that I did not identify the aircraft in maryjane's image as a "super" 18, only a Beech model 18.

 
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I think that is a Beech 18. But what do I know?

As it turns out, Shelby was an instructor on AT-11's, which were bomber-trainers based on the Beech 18.

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Me and everyone I know always labeled them as the same plane regardless of particular number so Beech 18 equated to Beechcraft Super 18. Everyone knew what you were talking about. Only exception we ever made was military C-45 version used as military staff transportation. Same thing as with F4 Phantom II...didnt make any difference whether you were talking F4C, F4D or F4J unless you were talking tech stuff. Say F4 and anyone knew what plane you were talking about. no one even bothered to add the II to the F4 Phantom, even though the actual first Phantoms were a straight winged Korean era lackluster Navy fighter.

Same name, nothing similar.

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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

Say F4 and anyone knew what plane you were talking about.



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In addition to the Ford v Ferrari movie drama, I STRONGLY suggest that you also watch this one on Netflix or on other streaming media.

It's a documentary that very closely details the history and people. It's also nice that Mauro Forghieri (he is now 84) is interviewed as well as many others.
(Yes, that includes Daniel Sexton Gurney, Mario Andretti, Carrol Shelby, John Surtees and all the other players alive and dead.)

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Originally posted by randye:

In addition to the Ford v Ferrari movie drama, I STRONGLY suggest that you also watch this one on Netflix or on other streaming media.

It's a documentary that very closely details the history and people. It's also nice that Mauro Forghieri (he is now 84) is interviewed as well as many others. (Yes, that includes Daniel Sexton Gurney, Mario Andretti, Carrol Shelby, John Surtees and all the other players alive and dead.)





Netflix huh? Hmm

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THAT was always called F4U, Corsair or Whispering Death...maybe even just 'gull wing'. No one ever called that an F4. That was always my second favorite plane. I built several giant scale RC ones. When anyone refers to F4, in the aviation world ONLY Phantom II ever comes to mind.

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Anyone else gone to see Ford V Ferrari?

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Anyone else gone to see Ford V Ferrari?

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Yes. Not only a great car/race movie, but an excellent movie and story over all. HIGHLY recommended, as in, don’t miss this.

My wife often falls asleep during movies, and isn’t that much into cars and racing. She said it had her attention the entire time.
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My wife and I enjoyed it as well.

Check the internet & you tube for facts not in play in the movie... for dramatic purposes? For example, Miles did drive the 65 Lemons but dropped out due to car problems.
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Took wife, son, and daughter visiting from London on sunday. everyone liked it very much.
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I think it was on the History Channel Sunday nite, but they had a 1 hour special on the Ford/ Ferrari story and rivalry. It was pretty good...maybe the same one thats on Netflix.
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This movie is EXCELLENT. If your into cars...(and who on here isn't) this is a must see. Extremely accurate in every way. Even a lot of the actors looked very close to the people they were playing...Henry Ford, his wife, and Enzo Ferrari to name a few. This has had to be the most viscous factory verses factory battle of all times. And for Ford to pull of the win 4 years in a row....one of many reasons I'm a Ford man too ! Besides my 2 Fieros, I own 2 Fords that are extremely dependable and fun to drive.
One thing they don't tell you....in their 68 and 69 victories, it was the same car !
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Report this Post11-26-2019 10:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Many people today, especially the younger ones, don't realize justy how big a factor the major car manufacturers played in racing decades back. Winning races sold cars and the brand meant as much or more than the driver's name did back then.

Ford Motors also went head to head against Offenhauser using the legendary 4 valve Cosworth Ford, but Henry Ford 1st was already into racing in the early 1900s and designed and built the 999/Arrow cars that Barney Oldfield made famous.


Link I wanted to post wouldn't shorten and spread the page out too much.
Do a search for popular mechanics magazine "Ford Racing Thru History"

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Report this Post12-19-2019 10:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Pretty cool full interview with Carrol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzq4DeTjZ1A
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