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Clean Cars for America by Tony Kania
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Be afraid. This is the initial run. Not the end game...

The look on this guy's face. Lock step much ,Bro?

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Another moron.
He conveniently leaves out how much this is going to cost and who is going to pay for it......YOU and I will.
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Clean Cars for AMERICA, Brother!
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I just washed mine the other day.
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Schumer proposes $462 billion national car swap — gas for electric [Shouldn't that be "electric for gas"..?]
Plan would incentivize a speedier transition to EVs

Associated Press reports, on Autoblog(.com), October 25; 2019.
https://www.autoblog.com/20...ap-gas-for-electric/


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The New York Democrat's plan would give American car buyers thousands of dollars each to trade in gas-burning cars for U.S.-assembled electric, hybrid or hydrogen cell cars. Lower-income households, and buyers of cars with American-made parts, would get extra credits.

About $45 billion would go to boost availability of charging stations and other electric car infrastructure. And $17 billion would help automakers increase their production of electric cars, batteries and parts.

He didn't outline how he would pay for the plan.
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If ICE cars were traded for electric cars, it would deplete the supply of affordable used cars for lower income families.
The power generation for electric cars would wipe out much of the environmental gains.
The program would be paid for through increased taxes on the middle class.
Summary:
This program would benefit large corporations at the expense of the middle and lower classes, and would not help the environment.
Why is it that Democrat programs always have that result, hmmm? Who's side are they really on?
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If ICE cars were traded for electric cars, it would deplete the supply of affordable used cars for lower income families


Shumey has a fix for that Willie.
Low cost or no cost subsidies for low income families....IOW, welfare cars that are paid for with OPM...

Tell him what he's won Johnny!!

You've won a BRAND NEW EE-LECTRIC CAR paid for by the US taxpayer so you can still afford your meth and Mogen David


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What about the carbon footprint from all of the gathering of natural resources for all of the construction, retooling and disposal of the 'obsolete' technology?
Is there enough lithium to supply the demand for batteries?
So the low income folks get used EV's that will be expensive to repair?

Power grab by the DNC of the manufacturing sector and the electric infrastructure.
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The look on this guy's face. Lock step much ,Bro?



He is focusing on reading a prompter I think.
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Really businsses support huge grants of tax payer money?

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Will you guys stop giving Trudeau ideas! He is already a Gretta fan-boy, his stupid doesn't need any more help.
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They want cheap reliable EVs? They are called golf carts, run on lead acid batteries, can hold solar charging panels on the roof and have been around forever.
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Do you thnk they realize this will make travel difficult? We'll need an awful lot of charging stations. and electric cars that go a lot farther and longer than most I know about currently do.

Also if everything was electric, you shot off the power grid, not only do you not have power in homes, neighborhoods and cities. But no one can leave. (Or they can only move until the battery dies)
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Restricting mobility of the masses is just one part of the control the Democratic Socialist Communists desire.
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Not to mention all the distribution vehicles for everything, medical, law enforcement, etc would all be in that same powerless boat.
Quite a hole in national security...
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Originally posted by 2.5:

Do you thnk they realize this will make travel difficult? We'll need an awful lot of charging stations. and electric cars that go a lot farther and longer than most I know about currently do.

Also if everything was electric, you shot off the power grid, not only do you not have power in homes, neighborhoods and cities. But no one can leave. (Or they can only move until the battery dies)


And guess who wants complete control of the power grid ?
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I was just listening to Rush and something occurred to me.
California is again (still?) on fire and subject to periodic, precautionary blackouts in those areas. How do Tesla owners remain ready to evacuate?
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I was just listening to Rush and something occurred to me.
California is again (still?) on fire and subject to periodic, precautionary blackouts in those areas. How do Tesla owners remain ready to evacuate?

Gas and diesel generators. 🤣
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I was just listening to Rush and something occurred to me.
California is again (still?) on fire and subject to periodic, precautionary blackouts in those areas. How do Tesla owners remain ready to evacuate?


I thought about the fragility as well. Hearing that the power company(s) decided to shut down power in areas in order to lessen chances of new fires due to wind. So if you live there you just don't get power, untl they decide the wind has lessened enough, or the fires have lessened enough.
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Gas and diesel generators. 🤣


Wonder what the future of those are planned to be by those on power. (In power of power)
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Apart from the nutbars out west, I predict this will all fizzle and die on it's own before too long.

Ontario went on a similar witch-hunt against 2-strokes and small engines about 20-25 years ago. We still have them. The chicken little's got tired of being ignored and went to stomp their feet elsewhere.

IIRC it was save the Tuna or something else like that we still have too.

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And just like that the litter was gone
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I was just listening to Rush and something occurred to me.
California is again (still?) on fire and subject to periodic, precautionary blackouts in those areas. How do Tesla owners remain ready to evacuate?


Them: Your area is under mandatory evacuation due to fires. You must leave.

You: I have an electric car. You shut off the power, and my battery is dead.

Them: Use your gasoline-powered car.

You: I don't have one, you took them all.

Them: Good job, citizen, you are saving the planet and reducing your carbon footprint. Please leave us your next of kin information. (translation, tough s***)
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GM Ford and others like this only because selling E cars for any reason affect CAFE numbers from EPA.
GM Selling Even a few E cars offsets low points for selling SUVs, Trucks, and Corvette that are main sales numbers.

Car makers don't care when E cars manufacturing and power used often causes more pollution in the US and Third World.
US had "rare earth" mining that got kill by EPA and sued by every "green".org. Is why now China Chile and others w/o pollution laws mine lithium etc.

EU and others have similar rules plus banning Diesels in many places either a complete ban or like TfL has high "polution" fees (Old T-charge is now under LEZ or ULEZ name depending the exact area.) per day driving in London.

So that is London... Many US cities want same scam as TfL to get Many Millions of $ per year as "Fees."

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+Maybe "you" are more receptive to Text than Video? If so, this Internet page is for "you."

An rinselberg Associated Press partisan text source ?

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Why not go to the feed bag of zhit Senator Schroomser is trying to feed us ? From Senate.Org .

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 Consumers would receive a substantial cash voucher to trade in their gas-powered cars and buy a US-assembled and affordable plug-in electric, plug-in hybrid, or hydrogen fuel cell car.

An additional incentive worth an additional 50% of the base incentive would also be available for vehicles made in America with strong labor standards, as well as $500 for vehicles with50% domestic content and a US manufactured battery.These bonus vouchers would convey to consumers for the first time in a simple way which models are made in America with strong labor standards, and give them an incentive to buy those vehicles.

To receive a voucher, consumers would first pre-certify their gas-powered trade in vehicle through a Department of Transportation (DOT) website to certify their vehicle is eligible to trade-in under the program, and to also look up the voucher value for the vehicle they would like to purchase under the program. Their trade-in vehicle must be at least 8years old and in driving condition.

Once a consumer receives DOT certification, that person would take their vehicle to a dealer or any other registered business[/b][/color] that will properly dispose of the vehicle, and will receive a voucher once the vehicle is turned in.

A consumer then takes that voucher to a registered dealer to receive a point-of-sale discount for the purchase of an eligible plug-in electric vehicle. Dealers would be reimbursed by the Department of Transportation at the time of sale. Each consumer would only be eligible for one voucher.

Wait, ..., theirs more. Let me unpack this for you.

1) They want to get us to buy American made. Ok, I am interested, but what about the children ? The children who will have to pay for this cleaner environment. Any green mobile should be eligible, to save the planet.
This mentions "affordable". US buyers are limited in choice of what is affordable ?

2) Strong labor standards ? Union give-a-way much ?

3) More consumer hoops to jump through to purchase a new vehicle ? The DOT would be the ones determining voucher amounts ? Unelected officials.

4) Consumers would then have to take their vehicle to a "registered" entity that will properly dispose of the vehicle, and will receive a voucher once the vehicle is turned in.
Cash for clunkers much ? (My what a failure. Depriving good vehicles to those inclined and depleting parts cars due to crushing.)

5) Then you take your vehicle to a, again, registered dealer registered by the same unelected DOT.

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Then Schumner wants be be Santa Clause and to ensure charging stations are available, allow more government to create and provide charging stations. Meaning we will be able to [pay to put them in low need areas.

If your still hungry after eating that zhit, perhaps I can interest you in some Pocahontis 5.2 trillion dollar Medifraud for all. It doesn't need one dime of tax increases for the middle class, except the first three points of the plan.
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Where does electricity come from? California is showing the way get people to buy electric cars then shut off the power. The batteries used in these cars are made from toxic materials contaminating the area where the lithium is mined.
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Where does electricity come from? California is showing the way to get people to buy electric cars then shut off the power. The batteries used in these cars are made from toxic materials contaminating the area where the lithium is mined.


Quoted as it's worth repeating.
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Where does electricity come from? California is showing the way get people to buy electric cars then shut off the power. The batteries used in these cars are made from toxic materials contaminating the area where the lithium is mined.
In China, Chile and other "3rd world" countries w/o pollution laws often in war etc. Chile right now has Riots in the streets.

US has closed most to all mines and primary processor for Rare Earth, Lead and others.
EPA and many States would or already have close secondary processors too like most places reprocessing dead Lead batteries and scrap lead.
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It should be pretty obvious by now that the left doesn't give a rodent's rear about pollution or racism or Russian collusion, sexual harassment or any other cause they pretend to champion.
Their mock distress is nothing more than another volley in the constant onslaught against western culture. They are in league with the devil, pure and simple.
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Originally posted by williegoat:
It should be pretty obvious by now that the left doesn't give a rodent's rear about pollution or racism or Russian collusion, sexual harassment or any other cause they pretend to champion.
Their mock distress is nothing more than another volley in the constant onslaught against western culture. They are in league with the devil, pure and simple.

My first response is a suggestion. Use DuckDuckGo or Google or some other online search engine that retrieves news (or news-style) media reports and execute a Search using the keyword "Trump" in conjunction with the keyword (phrase) "unintended consequences".

These links will (should) do it automatically.

DuckDuckGo with "Trump" and "unintended consequences"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=T...ences%22&t=h_&ia=web

Google with "Trump" and "unintended consequences"
https://www.google.ca/searc...filetype=&as_rights=

So, where is this going?

Replacing gasoline and diesel fuel powered transport with Electric Road Vehicles or EVs (and even electrified ocean-going ships), with the objective of reducing Carbon Dioxide emissions, for the purpose of "putting the brakes" on the atmospheric Greenhouse Effect and reigning in Global Warming... it's not a No Brainer, but it could make sense if it is done in a way that accounts for the Law of Unintended Consequences. It could make sense if it is done in conjunction with improvements in the ways that the various raw materials that are necessary for EVs, particularly Lithium and other Rare Earth metals or elements, are obtained. Improvements that would reduce the other kinds of pollution that are currently being caused by Lithium and Rare Earth mining, or caused by the collection and recycling of depleted EV batteries and other discarded electronic products and parts.

And it could make sense if it is done in conjunction with changes in EV designs and technologies that eliminate or reduce the requirements for Lithium and (or) Rare Earth metals as raw materials. Such as the development of other kinds of batteries that do not have Lithium.

That's just the start of what could be a longer and more fully articulated response. If I didn't want to absent myself at this time, in order to do something else.


 
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It should be pretty obvious by now that the left doesn't give a rodent's rear about pollution or racism or Russian collusion, sexual harassment or any other cause they pretend to champion.
Their mock distress is nothing more than another volley in the constant onslaught against western culture. They are in league with the devil, pure and simple.

This message itself highlights the Law of Unintended Consequences. It's an example of operating an electronic device with Internet connectivity in a careless and reckless manner, causing collateral (verbal) damage to unintended targets and innocent bystanders.


"I'll be back."

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So, where is this going?

Replacing gasoline and diesel fuel powered transport with Electric Road Vehicles or EVs (and even electrified ocean-going ships), with the objective of reducing Carbon Dioxide emissions, for the purpose of "putting the brakes" on the atmospheric Greenhouse Effect and reigning in Global Warming... it's not a No Brainer, but it could make sense if it is done in a way that accounts for the Law of Unintended Consequences. It could make sense if it is done in conjunction with improvements in the ways that the various raw materials that are necessary for EVs, particularly Lithium and other Rare Earth metals or elements, are obtained. Improvements that would reduce the other kinds of pollution that are currently being caused by Lithium and Rare Earth mining, or caused by the collection and recycling of depleted EV batteries and other discarded electronic products and parts.

And it could make sense if it is done in conjunction with changes in EV designs and technologies that eliminate or reduce the requirements for Lithium and (or) Rare Earth metals as raw materials. Such as the development of other kinds of batteries that do not have Lithium.

That sounds a lot like the argument that socialism/communism would work if it were just done right. In other words, it doesn't work.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This message itself highlights the Law of Unintended Consequences. It's an example of operating an electronic device with Internet connectivity in a careless and reckless manner, causing collateral (verbal) damage to unintended targets and innocent bystanders.


There are no "innocent bystanders" on the left. They are all complicit in the destruction. The consequences are intended.
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By limiting carbon dioxide the plants will starve as the use CO2 then release O2. So those in favor of reducing CO2, they are in effect starving plants and all the vegetarians will run out of their food.

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Originally posted by Old Lar:

By limiting carbon dioxide the plants will starve as the use CO2 then release O2. So those in favor of reducing CO2, they are in effect starving plants and all the vegetarians will run out of their food.



That was dumber than AOC having her dumbest moment in front of a microphone. C’mon Man!
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Originally posted by williegoat:

There are no "innocent bystanders" on the left. They are all complicit in the destruction.


Or the "Right", for that matter.
Whatever those terms mean.

It's incredibly easy on the brain to just stuff stuff into convenient little baskets.
That way, you don't have to take the time to actually consider anyone as an individual, with individual thoughts & actions, all of which they are individually responsible for.

Now-a-days, it seems more internally fulfilling for some to have enemies rather than a basic respect & understanding for the freedom of individual thought & ideas.
You know, that stuff we all brag about believing in as Americans!
As roughly half of us Americans PROUDLY call the other half The Enemy.

I wonder why nobody talks about intellect anymore?

To Williegoat: This wasn't pointed at you necessarily, I just think you opened up an interesting portal for exploration. Maybe it was the tone..
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If an individual supports leftest causes, that individual is a leftist. That is self evident and self descriptive.

Leftist causes are overwhelmingly destructive and discourage individualism.
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Our nation became the greatest nation in history in part due to the Constitution. The Constitution limits government and ensures our God given rights.

The right supports the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution. The left wants to overthrow our government. The terms originate in France at just about the same time as our Constitution was written.

The left believes that America is systemically evil and must be fundamentally changed. The right believes that America is predominately good and wants to conserve those principles.

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