⚠️ Is funny, in the sad way, that people thinking eating Very Heavy processed plant crap is healthier that anything else. What's more that this, "Impossible Burger," etc. have "secret recipes" that no-one is allowed to see including US FDA and others. Only product and the bulk of ingredients of whatever made of. They are basically a version of Soylent Green. ⛑ People w/ allergies, food or otherwise, should worry eating them regardless of the hype push by the makers and others.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
⚠️ Is funny, in the sad way, that people thinking eating Very Heavy processed plant crap is healthier that anything else. What's more that this, "Impossible Burger," etc. have "secret recipes" that no-one is allowed to see including US FDA and others. Only product and the bulk of ingredients of whatever made of. They are basically a version of Soylent Green. ⛑ People w/ allergies, food or otherwise, should worry eating them regardless of the hype push by the makers and others.
⚠️ Now Dunkin' is pushing crap called "Beyond Sausage" made by Beyond Meat Inc. Currently it seems only shows up as a popup on Dunkin' main site w/o food data in the menu pages.
All of these scientists and engineers are trying to figure out how to make plants into hamburgers. If they make a machine that does that, replicates itself and also produces a substance that would help the plants grow, they might have something.
I take no issue with vegans, vegetarians, or the capitalist exploiting their stupidity. My kid tried this diet and talked the wife folk into it. They had me making all kinds of faux crap. Macaroni and cheese. Veggie burgers. Whatever it was... It was TONS of ingredients to try and mimic what they really wanted. I do the majority of cooking and it was more work than anything. I told them I would just make them vegetables for them along side whatever protein I was making and they could eat it as is. This rectified the situation. The faux meals, were nothing close to the real thing. They both like vegetables and fruits more than me anyway. I've noticed with most people that LOVE salad, they tend to love the accoutrements that go along more than anything. All that said. Nothing you can eat at those places is healthy.
Google search: salad mcdonalds 730 calories The salad contains more than 730 calories, 53 grams of fat, and 1,400 milligrams of salt, according to McDonald's nutritional information
Who the hell has ever made a salad at home with those kinds of levels?
I don't know if including the R&D it is actually cheaper than beef. Maybe eventually. I don't understand the movement whatever the case may be honestly.
Originally posted by Jonesy: Yeah burger king is doing the same thing with their veggie whopper..
These fast food companies arent doing this to have a "healthier menu"..
They are doing it because its cheaper than real beef (or whatever that processed "meat" garbage they where using) ...
Want to eat healthy, then just don't eat the "food" those places are selling.
I literally have not eaten fast food since my early 20's.. I'v NEVER missed it at all..
Is Not Cheaper then Beef. The companies that make this garbage gets a premium price for the heavily process products. And Yes, they are Not Healthy foods.
And that's ignoring whatever crap is made to produce the veg patties that may trigger Allergies. And ignoring plant and animal proteins are Not the same even tho nutrition data doesn't include this and vegan/vegetarian cults say both are =.
The Chains sell this to Pander to Vegan and Vegetarian BS that's attacking every business that does bend to their will. Note too that most only have this on Top Dollar menu items or only 1 or 2 items. BK and other might make a custom item w/ veg patties but you will often pay for this option. Is related to suing McD and others for selling Fries w/ Beef Tallow in the fry oil + cooking Fish Chicken etc. in same oil because is Not Pure Vegetarian Fries ignoring McD et al never said it was. Is only a matter of time before smaller chain like WaWa add this crap to their menu.
The Chains sell this to Pander to Vegan and Vegetarian BS that's attacking every business that does bend to their will.
Isn't it about free choice, and what the market decides? If enough people want it, give it to them. I'm not interested in fake meat myself, but who am I to prevent others from gaining access to it?
Once a week after playing hockey I go to the nearby Wendy's and get a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger with a Sour Cream and Chives Baked Potato and a Seniors (60+) Coffee... costs a grand total of $4.80(Cdn). Such a deal. That's my beef for the week. The rest of the time it's usually chicken.
⚠️ Is funny, in the sad way, that people thinking eating Very Heavy processed plant crap is healthier that anything else. What's more that this, "Impossible Burger," etc. have "secret recipes" that no-one is allowed to see including US FDA and others. Only product and the bulk of ingredients of whatever made of. They are basically a version of Soylent Green. ⛑ People w/ allergies, food or otherwise, should worry eating them regardless of the hype push by the makers and others.
I had a reaction at a very upscale place and they wouldnt tell me what was in the food. I even called corporate and asked them and they wouldnt tell me. Guess if if would have been worse they could have found it in the autopsy
I was in Burger King today. Whopper, $4.69. Impossible Burger, $5.69.
Wow, I had no idea the prices in those big chains had gone up that much. Why does anyone eat there? You can get a damn good burger with all the fixings for $10-12 bucks, served on a real plate by a pretty girl, instead of a paper bag by a gangster punk.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Isn't it about free choice, and what the market decides? If enough people want it, give it to them. I'm not interested in fake meat myself, but who am I to prevent others from gaining access to it?
Once a week after playing hockey I go to the nearby Wendy's and get a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger with a Sour Cream and Chives Baked Potato and a Seniors (60+) Coffee... costs a grand total of $4.80(Cdn). Such a deal. That's my beef for the week. The rest of the time it's usually chicken.
There is no "free choice" for businesses facing boycotts and sued by vegans etc. Plus most BK etc are Franchisees that must carry this whether or not it sells in their area.
This is the Food Word equivalent of Force PC by anyone w/ an axe to grind. Never mind most business now bend over for anything negative posted on YT FB etc. and often doesn't look to see if a claim is true.
Knowing McD BK and others precook most foods then can sit for hours... How does the plant crap last sitting in a heated box? Many items already have problems because of this fact. Worse for low volume items like many chicken and fish items sold in McD etc. Example: BK Original Chicken and other are ok when cook fresh but many you get are very dried out sitting in drawer waiting to sell. If plant patties are heated to long,,, Does it degrade to be Toxic? Carcinogenic? I'm guessing they should throw out many high $ plant patties each weeks but some stores "Violate" policy and try to sell "out of time" foods, even reheat them.
Wendy's burgers go from grill to bun but all fried chicken is likely precook and stored. Grilled Chicken maybe same way. I haven't eaten at Wendy's for years.
There is no "free choice" for businesses facing boycotts and sued by vegans etc.
This is the Food Word equivalent of Force PC by anyone w/ an axe to grind.
I've no "axe to grind", nor any (hot)dog in the fight, as I don't eat any of this veggie burger stuff... but I gotta say, I find it extremely difficult to believe that fast food chains are only carrying these plant based products due to their fear of facing boycotts and/or of being sued by vegans. Sounds to me like fake news about fake meat. Any relevant links?
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Turn up the flavor with our NEW Impossible Fajita Burrito or Bowl! Our uniquely seasoned Impossible plant-based protein is paired with fajita veggies that are hand-sliced and sautéed in-house, all on a bed of cilantro lime rice and black beans. Then for the ultimate flavor combination, it's topped with corn salsa and a light drizzle of our savory tortilla soup!
Originally posted by Patrick: I've no "axe to grind", nor any (hot)dog in the fight, as I don't eat any of this veggie burger stuff... but I gotta say, I find it extremely difficult to believe that fast food chains are only carrying these plant based products due to their fear of facing boycotts and/or of being sued by vegans. Sounds to me like fake news about fake meat. Any relevant links?
Do you live under a rock? YT FB etc and News Worldwide are full of "Protests" and worse by Vegans, PETA, and others costing Companies Many Thousands to Millions each year. This just in... Burger King is being sued by a group of vegans who complain their meat-free Impossible Whoppers were cooked on the same grill as regular beef patties in Atlanta GA
Vegan activists invade McDonald's in protest against 'speciesism' before security guards drag them out in front of stunned diners in UK
Then add many companies get slammed as racists etc like Starbucks that close all stores for "re-education" last year. just google: philly starbucks incident After companies "re-educate" workers, many workers just get fired for any problem real or not to "make a statement" to MSM and other News outlets.
Do you live under a rock? YT FB etc and News Worldwide are full of "Protests" and worse by Vegans, PETA, and others costing Companies Many Thousands to Millions each year.
Fast food chains carry plant based burgers hoping to profit off the "Vegans, PETA, and others"... just as they carry meat based burgers hoping to profit off you and I.
None of your links apply to my earlier comment.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
I find it extremely difficult to believe that fast food chains are only carrying these plant based products due to their fear of facing boycotts and/or of being sued by vegans. Sounds to me like fake news about fake meat.
Originally posted by Patrick: Fast food chains carry plant based burgers hoping to profit off the "Vegans, PETA, and others"... just as they carry meat based burgers hoping to profit off you and I.
None of your links apply to my earlier comment.
Yes the companies want to make money... You ignore that Many things sold are "Loss Leaders" and make little money or even losing money. The Plant Patties are a PR "Statement" for them to "Prove" they "Care" regardless of numbers sold at each Franchisee.
Did you read McD or BK suing by vegans etc... In short the suit wants Money and BK's Impossible™ WHOPPER® must be cooked on a Separate or "sanitize" grill to "avoid contamination" by any meat/chicken product. Is likely to expand to including all equipment and people handling this crap. IOW Is garbage is now trying to = Kosher/Halal Foods that often must have separate equipment and all the way to the table. And will happen to others carrying the same things because most Dunkin et al store don't have multiple grills and other equipment or "sanitize" them before cooked a few Plant Patties.
McD had to change the menu and more for Company Own and Franchise stores to settle the suit ageist them to cater to a few people.
Just getting sued by every crackpot "victims" cost companies Millions of $ per year. That's On Top of Real Claims w/ Real Issues causing Injuries or Death to workers and/or customers. Or Go bankrupt like Biltz did for "Victims" pouring gas on fires etc. after settling a suit then get sued more by others mostly by fools doing same crap.
I'm surprise that every place that have Bacon for decades haven't be sued because some groups can say everything is "contaminated" by pork cooked on same grill. Or 5 Guys, ice cream/candy stores and others having Peanuts and other Nuts anywhere on the property haven't been sued to remove them from all of the stores. 5 Guys have peanut trash on just about everything no matter how much they clean because of "free" peanuts of customers and peanut oil for Fries. Most Beach towns and more have Thrasher's Fries and more w/ peanuts and nuts contaminating everywhere nearby the places too because many customers drop the product on everything.
Or 5 Guys, ice cream/candy stores and others having Peanuts and other Nuts anywhere on the property haven't been sued to remove them from all of the stores. 5 Guys have peanut trash on just about everything no matter how much they clean because of "free" peanuts of customers and peanut oil for Fries. Most Beach towns and more have Thrasher's Fries and more w/ peanuts and nuts contaminating everywhere nearby the places too because many customers drop the product on everything.
I've had a very bad peanut allergy my entire life. It's potentially life-threatening. I made the mistake a few years ago of buying/eating fries from a specially french fry eatery. I had no idea they used peanut oil in their deep fryer. That was not a good evening.
As someone with a severe sensitivity to certain foods, I don't wish to make these foods unavailable to anybody else... but I do believe it should be mandatory for restaurants and cafes to at least make it known if there's a chance of cross-contamination in their food preparation area. No lawyers would be required... I'd just go elsewhere to eat.
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Originally posted by Patrick: I've had a very bad peanut allergy my entire life. It's potentially life-threatening. I made the mistake a few years ago of buying/eating fries from a specially french fry eatery. I had no idea they used peanut oil in their deep fryer. That was not a good evening.
As someone with a severe sensitivity to certain foods, I don't wish to make these foods unavailable to anybody else... but I do believe it should be mandatory for restaurants and cafes to at least make it public knowledge if there is any chance of cross-contamination in their preparation area. I'll just go elsewhere to eat.
Yup. Many place don't have them at all. Some others do have such "warnings" but most are only online not in the store or not easy to find there. 5 guys has a list online but only maybe Peanut warning in stores that I've seen.
More confusing BK and some others use different search methods to find "safe" foods. Nice idea but doesn't help most buyers in the store. Many don't work in some devices or browsers to view them. I'm not sure that even McD Kiosks have Allergen data in/on them for you to see.
BK Web site you have to dig to find data then select what is bad. Dig? Seem is only an offshoot of the menu link at bottom of page. If you select all... Only drinks are listed. Peanuts? including equipment made on/in... Seems Most items are safe there. Soy? Then No meat and..... the..... Impossible™ WHOPPER®
Mock Meat proponents push the plant stuff claiming that it is "healthier" than animal meat. These are the very same chuckleheads that cry about GMOs as though they're akin to Ebola virus.
The fact that the bogus beef contains genetically engineered leghemoglobin which has NOT been cleared by the FDA seems to not concern them at all.
As someone on PFF observed; "Morons abound"
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