We need to be encouraging these people! We'll either see aliens, cool aircraft, or a significant reduction in the shallow end of the gene pool! It's WIN/WIN!
Raiding a U.S. military compound?? I can't think of a worse way to end up dead, on a list with terrorists and or locked up/fined heavily. Just supporting and spreading the idea likely incriminates these folks.
Raiding a U.S. military compound?? I can't think of a worse way to end up dead, on a list with terrorists and or locked up/fined heavily. Just supporting and spreading the idea likely incriminates these folks.
Well, the younger generation *is* rife with (self-diagnosed) depressed people, so maybe this is just a way to get government funded suicide.
I don't know what all the hubbub is about, the aliens told us to store them at area 52 anyways.
Raiding a U.S. military compound?? I can't think of a worse way to end up dead, on a list with terrorists and or locked up/fined heavily. Just supporting and spreading the idea likely incriminates these folks.
I wonder if they are even aware that it is a military base, and not just some fable alien storage facility. I am pretty sure if they see a mob coming they can only warn them to stop and turn around for so long. With the only escalation to deadly force
The guy who started it has already admitted that it was just a joke that got out of hand.
At best, it will be no more than a gathering of the geeks, a woodstock for weirdos, burning man for burnouts. As soon as they see the guards have real guns, they will all go home.
I wonder if they are even aware that it is a military base, and not just some fable alien storage facility. I am pretty sure if they see a mob coming they can only warn them to stop and turn around for so long. With the only escalation to deadly force
Depends on the rules of engagement. But, I assure you, when it's posted that Deadly Force is Authorized, they are not kidding. While in the Marines, I was stationed at a "Special Weapons Base", we were authorized to use deadly force.
I'll say this, when an armed Marine tells you to Halt and Drop to the Ground and you know you aren't where you're authorized to be, good judgement and a little common sense would be a good attribute. I'll leave it at that.
Depends on the rules of engagement. But, I assure you, when it's posted that Deadly Force is Authorized, they are not kidding. While in the Marines, I was stationed at a "Special Weapons Base", we were authorized to use deadly force.
I'll say this, when an armed Marine tells you to Halt and Drop to the Ground and you know you aren't where you're authorized to be, good judgement and a little common sense would be a good attribute. I'll leave it at that.
Rams
I read some dubious source that claimed that the DOD had "changed their rules of engagement" and had supposedly eliminated deadly force as an option for security forces guarding DOD assets.
THEY DIDN'T
DOD directive 5210.56, 18 November 2016 is still in effect and has NOT been revised.
(4) Deadly force may only be used when reasonable, including, but not limited to, under the following circumstances:
(c) Protecting assets vital to national security. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of assets vital to national security.
(d) Protecting inherently dangerous property. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of inherently dangerous property.
(e) Protecting national critical infrastructure. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the sabotage or destruction of national critical infrastructure.
I'm a big fan of adding some chlorine to shallow end of the gene pool every now and then, so here's hoping a gaggle of those dimwits show up out there and try it.
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Originally posted by randye: I read some dubious source that claimed that the DOD had "changed their rules of engagement" and had supposedly eliminated deadly force as an option for security forces guarding DOD assets.
THEY DIDN'T
DOD directive 5210.56, 18 November 2016 is still in effect and has NOT been revised.
(4) Deadly force may only be used when reasonable, including, but not limited to, under the following circumstances:
(c) Protecting assets vital to national security. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of assets vital to national security.
(d) Protecting inherently dangerous property. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of inherently dangerous property.
(e) Protecting national critical infrastructure. Authorized DoD personnel may use deadly force to prevent the sabotage or destruction of national critical infrastructure.
I'm a big fan of adding some chlorine to shallow end of the gene pool every now and then, so here's hoping a gaggle of those dimwits show up out there and try it.
While serving in S. Korea, a fellow RW test pilot who was also FW qualified decided to go down to an Air Force installation to rent a plane and get some time in. He flew, accomplished what he wanted to do and was leaving when he remembered he left something in the AC. Well, the flying club was inside a restricted area near where U2s were hangered. He crossed the outbound line and then remembered he had forgot something. So, he reversed course and started back. The problem is, this "Authorized Personel Only" area required a special pass to cross that line and you could only cross it once. When he stepped back into the Restricted Area, the AF MPs immediately put him in the prone position with locked and loaded weapons. They weren't screwing around. Maybe they were just messing with an Army Captain but, they were within their authority.
That was his last fixed winged flight while in S. Korea. He didn't wish to return. The Air Force takes security of their U2s seriously. I can only imagine what security at Area 51 is like.
Perhaps if they just change the terminology to things like "people kind" instead of person, and "maintenance hole" instead of manhole, we can cure the stupidity? No, wait?
Kinda puts the US forces between a rock and a hard place.
They have no choice but to defend the installation, but if they do on any sizable scale its gonna be the worst PR nightmare ever created, with probably civil repercussions on a global scale.
Kinda puts the US forces between a rock and a hard place.
They have no choice but to defend the installation, but if they do on any sizable scale its gonna be the worst PR nightmare ever created, with probably civil repercussions on a global scale.
Meh... I think if they just use their old, obsolete stores of tear gas or pepper spray, their point will be made. Arrest everyone who doesn't retreat, and charge the pizz out of them. At least it will keep them off the street for a while. This isn't the freaking Marines they're trying to repel. And if I'm wrong? Well? Break out the hardware.
Personally, I think this is going to amount to nothing.
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Kinda puts the US forces between a rock and a hard place.
They have no choice but to defend the installation, but if they do on any sizable scale its gonna be the worst PR nightmare ever created, with probably civil repercussions on a global scale.
Again, while serving in the Marines, late Viet Nam time frame, I was guarding "Special Weapons", Deadly Force was authorized but, you better be right when you pull that trigger. Anyone here remember the Patty Hurst bank robbery? The house that burned down with the SLA group in it was about 2 miles from our base. We were also used to being called some very ugly names. Every major holiday like Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc...………….. There would be a anti-military, anti Viet Nam War demonstration that frequently got ugly.
As I said, we were guarding "Special Weapons", no one was going to breach our security perimeter. The local PD would setup a line in front of out chain link fence with razor wire on top to keep the demonstrators out of our area. Between them and us, we had borrowed MP/SP canine support. After that, it was us. They never got past our fence but, had they done so, it would not have been pretty.
Area 51 has had those warning signs up for 70 years. A lot of people have violated them. I have never heard of a single person even being shot at, much less actually hit by anyone. Worse case has been they were taken out of the area. I never heard of even anyone actually arrested or jailed. Its just BS to run people off. I guess its scary to have people in pickups watch you or race down the road and slam on brakes beside you carrying guns that are more than likely not even loaded. While in the states, we used to have drills simulating an enemy attack and no one even had any access to any ammo for the guns we carried. Planes were scrambled for defense that had absolutely no type of armament on board. The perfect time for an actual attack was in the middle of a practice drill because no one on the base was armed.
Area 51 has had those warning signs up for 70 years. A lot of people have violated them. I have never heard of a single person even being shot at, much less actually hit by anyone. Worse case has been they were taken out of the area. I never heard of even anyone actually arrested or jailed. Its just BS to run people off. I guess its scary to have people in pickups watch you or race down the road and slam on brakes beside you carrying guns that are more than likely not even loaded. While in the states, we used to have drills simulating an enemy attack and no one even had any access to any ammo for the guns we carried. Planes were scrambled for defense that had absolutely no type of armament on board. The perfect time for an actual attack was in the middle of a practice drill because no one on the base was armed.
Roger, Please provide contact information of anyone you know actually entered Area 51. I would like to ask them a few questions. I can assure you, the area I was assigned to protect was done with appropriate security. No one was allowed to access that area without being challenged and handled appropriately. Two teenagers decided to breach our fence during hours of darkness, They apparently thought our area was a good place to smoke their dope. Local police could not enter, bad logic. I happen to be on the security team that discovered the breach. When we found them, they did not follow instructions to halt and drop. Both ran, both got a butt load of 00 buck in the ass from my riot shot gun. They survived but, were prosecuted and spent time in the hospital and jail. Had my first shot not stopped them, I would have completed the capture as necessary.
I can provide several "true" stories from personal experience where someone decided to test our security. There may be some that got in and out without being caught but, I can assure you, anyone that I caught did not escape.
Rams
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Area 51 has had those warning signs up for 70 years. A lot of people have violated them. I have never heard of a single person even being shot at, much less actually hit by anyone. Worse case has been they were taken out of the area. I never heard of even anyone actually arrested or jailed. Its just BS to run people off. I guess its scary to have people in pickups watch you or race down the road and slam on brakes beside you carrying guns that are more than likely not even loaded. While in the states, we used to have drills simulating an enemy attack and no one even had any access to any ammo for the guns we carried. Planes were scrambled for defense that had absolutely no type of armament on board. The perfect time for an actual attack was in the middle of a practice drill because no one on the base was armed.
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Roger....Don't go testing your theory at the ammo storage area of Camp Pendelton Calif.
Thats just the point , in most cases its locked up in a storage area and not accessible unless its unlocked by one of the few given that right. Im also talking about specifically Area 51, not every base on the planet. I suspect the same is true at most bases. At all the bases I was stationed at, DaNang was the only place we had access to live ammo. At Lackland, Tinker, and Sheppard AFBs, I didnt even know where to go if I wanted ammo.
Roger, Please provide contact information of anyone you know actually entered Area 51. I would like to ask them a few questions. I can assure you, the area I was assigned to protect was done with appropriate security. No one was allowed to access that area without being challenged and handled appropriately. Two teenagers decided to breach our fence during hours of darkness, They apparently thought our area was a good place to smoke their dope. Local police could not enter, bad logic. I happen to be on the security team that discovered the breach. When we found them, they did not follow instructions to halt and drop. Both ran, both got a butt load of 00 buck in the ass from my riot shot gun. They survived but, were prosecuted and spent time in the hospital and jail. Had my first shot not stopped them, I would have completed the capture as necessary.
I can provide several "true" stories from personal experience where someone decided to test our security. There may be some that got in and out without being caught but, I can assure you, anyone that I caught did not escape.
Rams
Again, Im talking specifically about Area 51. While the actual fenced in base is off limits, I dont know of anyone ever getting inside. As for the 'warning area' surrounding the base, thats many square miles of mountain and desert, Ive seen dozens of documentaries of people inside the warning area on any of a bunch of channels, usually with telescopes and binoculars, and cameras. The few that actually get caught are just made to leave, either on their own or transported by security. I have a bunch of cameras, motion and heat sensors on my property...and Im armed, yet people pass thru all the time. If triggered I just watch to see what theyre doing before I take any action. May call police, do nothing, or shoot at them depending on what I see. The biggest weapon at Area 51 from the government is simply intimidation if your not inside the fenced perimeter of the actual base. Watch any of the tv documentaries to see the 'guys in pickups' just watching people in the area.
Did they just get tired of swallowing Tide pods?
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