Nobody will get their hands on my guns while I am alive. Period. I am not saying that I am going out with a blast. I am saying that there will be no Second Amendment gun grab.
I have never accepted this new society, and I never will. This is being built for the extreme weak. I want no part of this, and work hard to stay rooted in place.
Its becoming more common that some people, including politicians just come out and say what they mean a little bit more these days rather than hold it in, disguise it and water down the speech. I hope their bold words are enough that they are shocking enough to cause a kickback against them.
Our founding fathers wrested their God given rights from tyrants at the barrel of a gun. They wrote the second amendment as a reminder that evil men will not relent to reason alone.
at 51:47 an "off topic" question is answered... this one surprised me. Doesn't every parent teach their kid what and how Ben said? You don't teach them "follow the republicans".
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I think that the Democrat party (and some of the "Republicans") have been chipping away at the 2nd for decades now, and it's already gone. I have to get the Governments permission before I can buy any "arms" now, and it's just getting worse. They have already infringed, so the right has been lost.
Like any other form of Socialism, the only way to get the right back is to fight. Any group that has said or did anything to fight was deemed "fringe", and ridiculed or jailed by the elites so that the groups couldn't gain any power. (Such as the Montana Freemen.) So here we are, slowly taking on water, and anyone that grabs a cup to help bail is shot... But if you grab a drill and make holes you are a hero.
Brad
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Every country that took away the populations right to own gun have ended up killing those same unarmed citizens. Hitler was the first, as was Stalin, Mao, and now Muduro in Venezuela.
Repeal or change of any portion of the United States Constitution requires 2/3 of Congress and 2/3 of all of the states legislatures and governors to agree.
This is the FIRST reason why a repeal of the 2nd Amendment will not happen.
The SECOND reason is the approx. 400,000,000 guns owned by American citizens.
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The last thing I hope it comes down to is hurting other people. So many rights have already been compromised. From Guns to knives. We are very limited.
The world would not be the place it is without the Gun. Good or bad it shaped us and gave us so much. Its a tool and like any tool it can be used for good or evil. Its not the gun that needs repealed its those in charge that have lost site of who they work for.
The "voters" they are stacking on top of one another in CA dont count.
The third reason is that it will probably incite a civil war.
One side that has guns vs a side that is afraid of them. Can win that war without a single shot.
Our guns are going no where
Let us not forget that it is a right to own arms. By repealing that amendment, they are repealing our protection from the government to strip us of our rights
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Ill assume more conservatives own guns than liberals. In a civil war started by liberals trying to take away the 2nd amendment, its therefore my guess the liberals will lose that war big time.
Its a tool and like any tool it can be used for good or evil. Its not the gun that needs repealed its those in charge that have lost site of who they work for.
I know that correlation does not equal causation, but from a cursory review of some timelines, it seems like:
- Students are continually discouraged from "fighting back" against bullies, bullied students request assistance from administration but receive none, but if a student *does* "fight back" they are punished just as much if not more so than the one bullying them. - Instead of being able to just kick a bully in the nuts and be done with it, students undergo *years* of nonstop torment, at a time when raging hormones and a fragile developing psyche can result in long-lasting emotional scarring. Yes, I said emotional - it's a fact of life, no matter how tough you are, a pebble dropped during childhood causes ripples that will pop up for the rest of your life. - Social media makes it so that the bullying/emotional torment *never stop*. Instead of dreading going to school, or trying to avoid being on the playground during lunch, a young person now has to worry about being bullied 24/7/365. A girl in a bad situation at planned parenthood? Now they're on instagram outed to millions. A young person in a time of experimenting and self discovery trying out a same sex relationship? Now the whole *internet* knows. - Social media and news media make terrorists and murderers famous, making terrible acts the fastest path to celebrity status.
The end result of the nonstop bullying is an ever-increasing pile of emotional "debt" that eventually comes to a head in the only way some people know - either killing others, or killing themselves. When those become the only options to "make it stop", then thats where the road eventually leads. I was in elementary/middle school in the mid-late 80's and early 90's, right when there was a big shift towards punishing the bullied instead of the bullies. I was slightly chubby and wore glasses, so I was an "easy target". I also did Aikido for 13 years and was a pacifist by choice, as I knew my temper, once lost, was nearly uncontrollable (that's why Aikido, because of it's intense focus on self control. Also, I loved Steven Seagal as a kid - under siege where the boobie girl pops out of the cake is forever burned into my brain. Even my wife knows, the cake girl is on the "list", along with Tawny Kitaene from that white snake video). I asked for help from school administration for years and being told to "deal with it" but also "you will be expelled if you fight back". The day I broke my bully's jaw and spiral fractured his humerus I had gone to the principal 10 minutes before and reported being slapped and spit on several times that morning and was told to "deal with it". I walked across the playground, stood in front of him, and took a punch to the face, then I mitigated the the threat, that day and every day after, this person would never come near me again. The only thing that saved me was the school nurse, whom testified before the school board (risking her job) that in addition to patching up the bully and his friends that tried to help him, she heard me ask several times for help, and that the principal told me to "deal with it". It should not have come to that, it should not have come down to violence of that degree, but that was the last time I was ever bullied. Kids today don't have that ability to fight back, fighting back gets you punished - you can literally ruin your scholastic career by doing anything but accepting being slapped, spit upon, insulted, and tormented - and with the advent of social media it's a 24/7 thing. Guns are just a means to an end - if we didn't have guns, it would be knives, or bombs. This is the age of the internet, a little googling and a tormented student could do a lot worse than shooting someone, so I don't see taking guns away as resolving a problem.
The other half of the problem is, stop making terrorists, spree killers, murderers famous. Bury them. Make sure nobody ever gets to know their name. Don't report on them, bury them in a dark hole and erase them from history. Leverage that government might to scrub all traces of these people from the internet. They're curating what we get to see on the internet already, leverage that to delete them. Every time a killer becomes a "trending topic" on twitter, it encourages the next shooting spree. It proves that there's a reward for committing an act of unspeakable savagery. When committing a mass-shooting is the fastest path to social media stardom, there are plenty of people whom "need" that "social credit" enough to consider it.
I know I ranted, I apologize for the wall of text, but I simply see guns as a means to an end for two types of people - those whom want to become famous with the smallest amount of effort, and those whom feel there is no other way out. One of the biggest commonalities there is social media; one, as a 24/7 avenue of non-stop harassment and bullying, and one as the easiest, fastest way to become "internet famous". I don't see the problem going away. Not when blowing a football player makes someone a celebrity. Not when murdering a bunch of people for no reason makes someone a celebrity. Not when a bully can track you and harass you non stop 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
Guns aren't the problem. To some, guns are the only way out. To some, guns are the easiest way to fame. Guns are just a tool, and like any tool they're fine when used responsibly and for the right reasons.
Because I know at least a few people will look at my location and assume I'm some bleeding heart liberal or something, that's not the case. I ride a weird line - I feel like a person should be the master of their own body, I feel like businesses should be able to deny service to whomever they want, I feel like being straight, gay, in love with a car, whatever is none of my business and I don't really care what you do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. This is where my work is, I presently work in the cybersecurity field and gravitated towards where the money was. I own guns (6 inch python .357 is my all time love, though I'd like a nice single-action vaquero or something), I'll die to defend my family, you, your family, and our right to own them (though I admit some of you guys with fully automatic machine guns are maybe slightly nuts... yes I want to shoot one, no I don't think they're necessary, but as long as you aren't hurting anyone it's none of my business. Unless you want to let me shoot your machine gun. Then it's very much a matter of interest!)(and yes, I mean machine gun, fully automatic belt-fed led spewing massive muzzle flashing death machine. I am not an idiot that thinks that a pistol grip and a foregrip with weaver rails makes a firearm a "military war weapon". Firing a turret mounted .50 at camp pendleton (as a civilian) was one of the coolest things I have ever done. I tried to enlist after taking the asvab and being invited to be army logistics or navy nuclear, but due to several spinal fractures I was ineligible. I campaign for better care for veterans, donate time and money to our soldiers and used to run a knife sharpening service (as a hobby) that was free for current and former service members. I also paid into a fund that purported to send silly string to our tropps because I'd read it was a great way to spot tripwires (I still don't know if it's true, but if it saved lives, I wanted to help.)
It doesn't matter what state I am in, it doesn't matter what county, or city - I am an American, and I support other Americans.
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FieroSTETZ I think your story about the bully and how those in charge dealt with it, (or didn't) somewhat describes the situation quite well. People in charge don't punish wrong as much as they should anymore. They don't instruct kids, or raise their kids as much as they should anymore. That's not the beginning of all the issues, and doesn't even bring up what caused that, but we are starting to see the aftermath of that. Among many other things.
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FieroSTETZ I think your story about the bully and how those in charge dealt with it, (or didn't) somewhat describes the situation quite well. People in charge don't punish wrong as much as they should anymore. They don't instruct kids, or raise their kids as much as they should anymore. That's not the beginning of all the issues, and doesn't even bring up what caused that, but we are starting to see the aftermath of that. Among many other things.
Yeah man, thats exactly the types of ripples I'm talking about. It's just the butterfly effect - some little innocuous change that takes place now won't show up for 10 years, even though people warned against it for every one of those 10 years. I'm not placing the blame on schools, or the media, or any other single source. It took a massive, collective effort of laziness and inaction to f*** things up this badly. It's going to take a massive, collective effort to fix them, and most people are so effort-averse that I think people are going to continue to be lazy under the guise of "just letting things be".
A parent should be allowed, or even *required* to discipline their child. If I had ever been caught bullying me my parents would have beat the tar out of me. As-is, I was told (after a few scuffles with bullies, after the school threatened my parents with my expulsion) that if I got in another fight I would be grounded for a full year. That was part of my aversion to fighting - not only threats from the school, but threats against my parents resulting in my parents threatening me. I was, in fact, grounded for 365 days after that fight, as my dad was a man of his word. Regardless of the motivation, we had a sit down conversation that he said I would be grounded for a year if I fought again, and regardless of the justification or outcome he would stick to his word, so for 365 days if I was not in the bathroom, eating a family meal, or doing something like clothes shopping, I was in my room with just books, paper and pens. It taught me a lot, some good, some bad. I would say I am as much a man of my word as my dad, but I am a little more careful with those words. It never hurts to build in a loop-hole just in case
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Ill assume more conservatives own guns than liberals. In a civil war started by liberals trying to take away the 2nd amendment, its therefore my guess the liberals will lose that war big time.
There are more issues than just the 2nd Amendment that could initiate another civil war in this country.
I always get a laugh out of the left when they cry they are afraid of guns....
Isnt that the whole idea ?
Its a defense mechanism, not a fracking flower pot.
I mean, like, if you werent afraid of the consequences then you wouldnt be stopped.
Let me tell you how this works. I have a can of "stuff" sitting on my shelf 2 feet from the door. It's been proven it will stop a Grizzly Bear in its tracks and send it running..
Its no secret that I got it..in fact I make damn sure the area knows.
In an area where home invasion robberies are twice a day. Know how many have tried here...ONE. Dave. After he got his ass kicked, one teeny-tiny (less than a second) shot of the stuff and spent a week recovering word went out not to frack with MeM's place.
That was 3 years ago...is bear spray a biological weapon ? a toxic substance ?..a weapon of mass destruction? (only if you use it in a church during service )
Point is it is there for me to use to defend myself and my home. Guns are the exact same thing and those who would dis-arm us are the same home invaders who dont like being stopped.
A can of spray gives me the same defense as a shotgun would, without the noise...well, apart from the screaming when dave takes a hit of it.
(Yes, it is actually a restricted weapon here. You wouldnt believe the hoops I had to jump thru to get it. This stuff makes police mace look like water)
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Ill assume more conservatives own guns than liberals. In a civil war started by liberals trying to take away the 2nd amendment, its therefore my guess the liberals will lose that war big time.
The liberals cant even figure out which bowl to piss in and are afraid of firecrackers....
I dont see much of a prblem if it really comes down to it. They only got this far because of our patience and tolerance...
There are more issues than just the 2nd Amendment that could initiate another civil war in this country.
I never said that. Weve been on the brink of civil war for quite a few years now...most of it due to liberals instigating it on a number of issues. Sooner or later people are going to snap, whether it be taking guns away, giving illegals everything citizens dont get, allowing them to pour across the borders in the first place, or just ordering everyone how they shall live or do things. When you start taking away everything, your no longer a free country. The liberals are edging us ever closer to becoming a communist one. Personally, I already have the same disdain for liberals as I do for communists. The best thing that could happen for the US is for all liberals/democrats to move to Russia, Korea or China where they fit in perfectly.
"..But it is undeniable that the financial blacklist is perhaps the biggest existential threat that Second Amendment supporters are facing. If pro-Second Amendment groups are cut off from banks and financial services, they cannot carry out their advocacy. If manufacturers and FFLs are cut off because they want to sell the types of firearms people want to buy, then the Second Amendment is a dead letter."
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