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ISP Service or Modem? by RWDPLZ
Started on: 05-22-2019 04:39 PM
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Report this Post05-22-2019 04:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Been having weird connectivity issues all day today, can't tell if it's the modem or the ISP.

-Websites take forever to load, if they load at all. Sometimes don't load pictures, or load VERY slowly.

-Happens to all devices on network (Macintosh, Windows 10 desktop, iPhone, etc.)

-Swapped out router for spare, same exact issue.

-Manually set DNS servers on one computer to Google's, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, no change.

-Tried turning modem and router off and back on again

Is there a good way to tell if it's the modem or service? Modem is own Arris SB8200 on Comcast
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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

Been having weird connectivity issues all day today, can't tell if it's the modem or the ISP.

-Websites take forever to load, if they load at all. Sometimes don't load pictures, or load VERY slowly.

-Happens to all devices on network (Macintosh, Windows 10 desktop, iPhone, etc.)

-Swapped out router for spare, same exact issue.

-Manually set DNS servers on one computer to Google's, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, no change.

-Tried turning modem and router off and back on again

Is there a good way to tell if it's the modem or service? Modem is own Arris SB8200 on Comcast



What do you get when you go to http://www.speedtest.net ?

... are you getting your expected throughput?
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Report this Post05-22-2019 08:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Once the page loads, 180MBPS down, 11MBPS up, 25ms Ping. (normal or slightly faster than normal)

I also noticed as neighbors started getting home from work around 6:00, the LTE connection on my phone started not working or working VERY slowly, which probably means they're having the same issue and using their phones to try to get internet.
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Report this Post05-22-2019 09:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can access the modem itself at 192.168.100.1
This tells signal strength etc.

then read https://pickmymodem.com/sig...-3-03-1-cable-modem/

If levels are off then can be a lot of things... Highlights...
Wire is bad or have loose ends.
Wrong type of wire.
Iffy splitter(s)
too many or wrong type of splitter(s).

Two basic rules:
  • All wires are "RG6" or equivalent. Thin wire like RG59 will cause problems. What is the difference between RG59 and RG6? see https://sewelldirect.com/le...g-center/rg59-or-rg6 RG59 RG6 are old names but most know them. Most companies stop use 59 decades ago but many old building still have it. Most thin wire is label as RG59 but bigger cables may not be label w/ RG6.
  • Only 1 low loss splitter before Docsis 3.x modem and one out goes directly to modem.

    follow modem wire to where cable exits the building or whatever and look for damage wire, loose ends, etc.
    If you find loose end then use 7/16" wrench and Do Not over torque them. just finger tighten. Any more can break the splitters etc and simply not needed.
    Cable Tech have a special low value torque wrench (20 - 30 in/lb) just for this but this does ~ same job if you careful.

    Why?
    When you call the office will check/test for problems on their end before sending anyone.
    If Comcast comes out and problem is In the house then expect a large bill this month or next.
    If the problem is on Comcast side then is likely free repair.

    How to tell your side from theirs?
    Example: Normal single home w/ overhead cable of a pole... all wiring After a joint w/ a ground somewhere outside is the point where mostly wiring problems are going to cost you to fix.
    Under ground cable may have same ground block inside or outside of the house. Note: If pets or people dig and damage the buried cable you may get billed fixing this.

    If possible... Find that cable ground block and unplug your side. Use new or known good cable and connect the modem to other end. Then check modem specs again. While a pain, is often easier and safer then following in an attic etc all over the place only to have a problem on company's side.
    look same or sim to these...


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    Report this Post05-22-2019 11:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
    From a command prompt

    Ping google.com -t >ping.log

    Run that and it will log the ping times.
    Let it run for 5 minutes then closed the window and open the text file and look at the times.
    Post the results here
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.58.217.206: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=54

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    Report this Post05-23-2019 11:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
    Access the modem actually shows condition of line to and in your home/business. That's assuming Modem is the problem w/ dying parts in it. Either way... If the numbers are bad there then Nothing else is going to work right or at all. (Side note can turn off or charge LEDs on case on Config page depending on model.)

    speed test sites mean little to most users because have no clue how the internet works. Always try testing a few times and more then one test locations near you. This hopefully limits number of hops to get fast speeds.
    Ping times often mean little looking at modem/isp problems because ping time effectively waits thru all 10 to 30 hops to whatever site. Many sites Ignore all pings or give low priority to respond.
    Tracert may help because the command try to ping out every hop but many routers ignore this and at best time out every time. You can look at first few hops because few to several are in Comcast network before you every see a Peer to see the rest of the world.

    Example Typical results of Tracert to CNN from PA and others close to CNN site. (Some names/IP are change for privacy.)
    code:
    C:\>tracert cnn.com

    Tracing route to cnn.com [151.101.129.67]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 <-- Your Typical Router IP
    2 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 96.150.77.100 <-- 2 to 7 are in Comcast Network
    3 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms po.rur.xxxxxxx.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.59.78.2]
    4 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms 68.85.34.73
    5 13 ms 11 ms 12 ms be-201-ar03.ivyland.pa.panjde.comcast.net [96.108.181.21]
    6 16 ms 14 ms 15 ms be-33287-cr01.newark.nj.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.93.173] <-- ibone is high speed backbone within comcast
    7 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms be-10249-pe03.newark.nj.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.85.90]
    8 13 ms 14 ms 14 ms 23.30.206.202 <-- Likely CNN's ISP, Maybe still in Comcast Net
    9 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 151.101.129.67 <-- Likely CNN Router. Most servers are hidden.

    Trace complete.



    ETA--> That is a Wired connection. WiFi connections can have problems of its own like many on 2.4GHz band using same channel very close to each other. Try setting router to use other WiFi channels. Several free WiFi "sniffer" to show this but can just try several then check speeds. Devices will simple follow the router.

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    Report this Post05-23-2019 04:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
    Well I got home from work and there was a Comcast van outside. Tried the internet, and everything seems to be working normally again. Maybe something was water-logged with all the recent storm activity?
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    Report this Post05-23-2019 05:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
    Maybe. More so w/ underground systems.
    Or lightning near by can hose one or many line amps etc w/o actually hitting a line.
    Can fry modems/gateways and STBs in a place too more so if missing that ground block for a building.
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