The Tweets from Obama, Hillary and co pissed me off big time after the Easter bombings in Sri Lanka yesterday; killing 300 people and wounding 500 more... Refusing to call the victims what they actually were; Christians, instead referring to them as "Easter Worshippers."
Disgraceful. NEVER heard the term Easter Worshipper before in my life. Coordinated effort?
Thanks for being informative. Sadly, many will see this as you being an azz. Truthfully, their bigotry against Christians should be kept in the light.
Hey ! Hey ! Hey !
What about all the xtian bigotry against demon worshipers ? All that threatening about how they will burn for eternity...all that shunning...all that refusal to share the booze wine...all that refusal to let themselves be eaten !!
Cthulu isn't such a bad god. He is just misunderstood. And hungry.
I've never heard that term either. Was this phrasing an orchestrated effort? I don't celebrate, but if I were a political figurehead I would have chosen my words differently or not at all. I remember a big hubbub about Obama not being Christian and he arguing he was, seems a disrespectful term. I see a lot of those on here. Especially about muslims. No different to me, but I'm not famous or PC.
I am no worshiper of any faith, but I will follow Christian values even if others hide behind them or stand in front of them. What another chooses to do is their own option. Here in the United States we were founded upon certain beliefs. A small percentage are causing most of the issue. I do not think that most here are obtuse, only a select few that believe they live a superior existence than you or I.
One person wished us a Happy Easter yesterday. A black man that held the door open for my Wife. He was maybe 25 and very polite.
To quote Edward Bernays (a pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda), "The voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. It is composed of inherited prejudices and symbols and cliches and verbal formulas supplied to them by the leaders."
"The important thing for the statesman of our age is not so much to know how to please the public, but to know how to sway the public. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."
Surprised that you guys aren't talking about these tweets in here so I figured I'd bring it up, I usually just lurk in the O/T tbh.
I'm curious as to where on earth they pulled the term Easter Worshipper from. Peculiar....
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I'm curious as to where on earth they pulled the term Easter Worshipper from. Peculiar....
It's been used up here for as long as I can remember. Its pretty common that rather than name a religion (any religion) the media uses <insert holiday here> worshiper. Political correctness and inclusiveness run amuck.
The lefties will argue that "Well, what if there were <insert non xtian group here> present, they are not xtians but they were at an Easter service so they are Easter worshipers. We cant trample their rights by calling them xtians.
Ya learn to just ignore the P-C drivel, you aint going to stop it.
To fuel more discussion, I will leave this single example of a double standard here... Obama had no problem directly saying what religion was attacked in the recent Muslim shooting about a month ago... https://twitter.com/BarackO.../1106544510555824128
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To quote Edward Bernays (a pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda), "The voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. It is composed of inherited prejudices and symbols and cliches and verbal formulas supplied to them by the leaders."
"The important thing for the statesman of our age is not so much to know how to please the public, but to know how to sway the public. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."
Surprised that you guys aren't talking about these tweets in here so I figured I'd bring it up, I usually just lurk in the O/T tbh.
I'm curious as to where on earth they pulled the term Easter Worshipper from. Peculiar....
So is it bigotry when all the anti Islam post on PFF? Calling the "muzzies", "moslems", "towel heads" etc?
Tony I'm with you. I was raised with Christian values, well my families bastardization of them at least. People wished me happy Easter. I replied cordially to all. I did hear someone get offended when it wasn't returned to back to them, not me, I wondered if it had been a holiday celebrated by Islam and they were greated with such of they'd have been offended because they don't approve. I have many interactions with this person and I think she would've. The question though, is that bigoted or is it only bigotry if it's your Christian faith?
So is it bigotry when all the anti Islam post on PFF? Calling the "muzzies", "moslems", "towel heads" etc?
That's a bait question.
I can speak for myself as someone who values our Western way of living. Everyone should have the right and freedom to freely practice whatever religion of their choice without fear of being literally killed for it. It's the foundation of our great country.
As for bigotry, I am extremely bigoted towards radical Islamic terrorism. This is something that has been noted many times before that a certain group of "leaders" we have seem to not acknowledge exists!
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I can speak for myself as someone who values our Western way of living. Everyone should have the freedom to freely practice whatever religion of their choice without fear of being literally killed for it.
As for bigotry, I have one for radical Islamic terrorism. This is something that has been noted many times before a certain group of "leaders" we have seem to not acknowledge exists!
No bait man, that's not my bag. I think all religion is tardanic. I just frequently see people getting salted up and triggered when it's christianity, on PFF, but all kinds of hatred towards Islam. I've seen Muslim members and their ideology attacked, but christianity is sacred here. I know this is overall a right leaning forum. I'm pretty damn conservative fiscally myself. Socially not so much. People can practice whatever. My question is though, if someone greats you with a happy "insert Muslim holiday" do you parrot that back? Do you expect non-Christians to wish you your holiday back? I don't care if you hate Islam. Bigotry doesn't offend me, actual or perceived. I feel about the same towards racism. Words are just that, words... if they get you butthurt that really is more of a you problem. Now violence, attacks, and vandalism that bothers me, no matter what group or reasons.
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I can speak for myself as someone who values our Western way of living. Everyone should have the right and freedom to freely practice whatever religion of their choice without fear of being literally killed for it. It's the foundation of our great country.
THERE is the entire problem, and has been for all of human history...
You ARE free to practice your religion SO LONG AS IT IS LEGAL (IE: muzzie honor killings are a no-no in the west as are child brides)
--and--
You are NOT free to force it onto somebody who doesn't want it (something religious humans seem to have a very hard time understanding until they have a gun in their face, and sometimes not even then)
--and--
You are NOT free to impose you religious values on an entire society simply because you dont "like" people who don't follow your religion. You WILL BE resisted. Get used to it !
No bait man, that's not my bag. I think all religion is tardanic. I just frequently see people getting salted up and triggered when it's christianity, on PFF, but all kinds of hatred towards Islam. I've seen Muslim members and their ideology attacked, but christianity is sacred here. I know this is overall a right leaning forum. I'm pretty damn conservative fiscally myself. Socially not so much. People can practice whatever. My question is though, if someone greats you with a happy "insert Muslim holiday" do you parrot that back? Do you expect non-Christians to wish you your holiday back? I don't care if you hate Islam. Bigotry doesn't offend me, actual or perceived. I feel about the same towards racism. Words are just that, words... if they get you butthurt that really is more of a you problem. Now violence, attacks, and vandalism that bothers me, no matter what group or reasons.
Lots to unload here.
I specifically said *Radical Islamic Terrorism*, *not* Islam in general. Big difference. There are absolutely good Muslim people out there.
I'm not going to try and specifically defend any of the stuff you are referring to towards the hate that those who practice Islam's teachings, however, facts are facts; To quote the passage that the "radicals" follow: Qur’an 9:29- Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Quite frankly it is a reasonable thing to do; question and condemn Islam's teachings, as per the Quran, directly.
To answer your question, I work in a very diverse place, with many religions, races, and beliefs. Personally, yes, I not only "parrot" it back wishing them the best, I usually get involved and attend the celebrations when they invite myself and others to attend their celebrations. To be honest, most do the same for me when I throw, for example, a Christmas party. I think that a lot of the intolerance is over exaggerated and hyped up big time to create a divide.
Some people like to call it divide and concor
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THERE is the entire problem, and has been for all of human history...
You ARE free to practice your religion SO LONG AS IT IS LEGAL (IE: muzzie honor killings are a no-no in the west as are child brides)
--and--
You are NOT free to force it onto somebody who doesn't want it (something religious humans seem to have a very hard time understanding until they have a gun in their face, and sometimes not even then)
--and--
You are NOT free to impose you religious values on an entire society simply because you dont "like" people who don't follow your religion. You WILL BE resisted. Get used to it !
Yeah. I don't really do any of the celebrations. This isn't me taking a stand against a religion, I just don't want to attend. When someone hits me with whatever holiday greeting, I just say something polite.
Regarding the few passages you quoted. Don't make me tear the bible apart with all the hatred and stupidity in it. An eye for an eye is first to mind. Islam is roughly 700 years younger than christianity and all the judeo religions are very similar. 700+ deaths guess the crusades never happened. I think in a few hundred years Islam will be as peaceful ar you think christianity is today. Not here to discredit or persuade you, I find it hard to believe you'd wish someone a happy a holiday for a religion if you think is a problem. Take Islam out of it and insert whatever devill worshiper holiday they celebrate. I often find Christians are offended if you take issue with theirs.
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Yeah. I don't really do any of the celebrations. This isn't me taking a stand against a religion, I just don't want to attend. When someone hits me with whatever holiday greeting, I just say something polite.
Regarding the few passages you quoted. Don't make me tear the bible apart with all the hatred and stupidity in it. An eye for an eye is first to mind. Islam is roughly 700 years younger than christianity and all the judeo religions are very similar. 700+ deaths guess the crusades never happened. I think in a few hundred years Islam will be as peaceful ar you think christianity is today. Not here to discredit or persuade you, I find it hard to believe you'd wish someone a happy a holiday for a religion if you think is a problem. Take Islam out of it and insert whatever devill worshiper holiday they celebrate. I often find Christians are offended if you take issue with theirs.
You can tear the bible apart if you want, sure! I'm sure you know that The Quran is literally a copy of the the Old Testament; in the most basic way to put it possible, The Quran continues after the crucifixion of Jesus, and continued on with Mohamed. Muslims follow the Quran. The biggest point of difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims believe that Jesus was only a prophet and not the Son of God. Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the Old Testament.
Christians directly follow the New Testament at this point; the "barbaric" words of The Old Testament are in a sense, superseded now that Jesus has come and completed the prophecy.
Matthew 5:38-48: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[b] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
The core ideology of Christianity at this point in history can literally be summed up in one sentence: Don't do unto others what you would not want done to yourself. That's how sane, modern, by the book Christians try to live their lives today, unlike in the Quran, where it specifically continues to tell it's followers to be intolerant and fight all who oppose their beliefs.
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I can speak for myself as someone who values our Western way of living. Everyone should have the right and freedom to freely practice whatever religion of their choice without fear of being literally killed for it. It's the foundation of our great country.
As for bigotry, I am extremely bigoted towards radical Islamic terrorism. This is something that has been noted many times before that a certain group of "leaders" we have seem to not acknowledge exists!
Very astute observation.
IF islam was just a religion there probably wouldn't be any more of a problem with it than any other....
BUT IT ISN'T
Islam is complete religious, social and political ideology of hate, war and subjugation of every other religion on the face of the planet.
It demands an absolute theocracy of every country it infests and the oppression, enslavement or death of anyone who resists.
It demands the death of any apostate.
It demands the death of Jews.
It demands the death of homosexuals.
Islam is even incapable of getting along peacefully with itself. It regularly engages in open warfare and killing between different sects of itself, (i.e. Sunni vs Shia)
Islam is SO much more than just a religion and "bigotry" against it is fully warranted and appropriate.
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Islam is complete religious, social and political ideology of hate, war and subjugation of every other religion on the face of the planet.
It demands an absolute theocracy of every country it infests and the oppression, enslavement or death of anyone any "infidel" who resists.
It demands the death of any apostate.
It demands the death of Jews.
It demands the death of homosexuals.
YES! It specifically says so right in the Quran! Like I quoted above...
Qur’an 9:29- "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
You are absolutely correct. It absolutely can, and should be criticized for it's ideology and it's basis of how it's followers should live.
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You are absolutely correct. It absolutely can, and should be criticized for it's ideology and it's basis of how it's followers should live.
The very SAME needs to be said about the left.
Marxist / leftists seek to abolish the practice and even any mention of the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on.
Christianity is absolutely antithetical to the Marxist ideology of the STATE as the only true God or the foolish idea by too many people that believe that "they are their own god", have no need of any other and consequently are capable of manufacturing their own individual morality and even "salvation".
Marxist / leftists seek to abolish the practice and even any mention of the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on.
Christianity is absolutely antithetical to the Marxist ideology of the STATE as the only true God or the foolish idea by too many people that believe that "they are their own god", have no need of any other and consequently are capable of manufacturing their own individual morality and even "salvation".
On that front, (I hate to say it) I agree with the left. Religion NO BUSINESS in public or workplaces, and the ONLY way 5,000 years of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend" fights will ever end is if it is driven (by force if need be) solely into private homes, lives and churches/temples/whatever.
I know what I am talking about in this area. One of the 3 factors in my destruction (or at least really-really getting the ball rolling on it) was a company DETERMINED to force a new-age cult up my azz and that I was going to join them. You guys will never know just how much restraint and self-control was needed not to ram that truck thru the front window of the place and jump out shooting. Fact is a 100-pound machine DID go flying clear across the office and one got told I'd rip her uterus out her a-hole if she even THOUGHT about opening her hole again.
As far as I am concerned these people who wont take "no" for an answer and STFU and GO AWAY about their cults deserve the death penalty, and not a quick execution either. Make medieval examples of them.
One of the greatest things about a rural lifestyle is the total lack of people and having to deal with this kind of stuff. You would be AMAZED how many problems simply disappear when people do.
At first glance I would take the wording to mean Worshippers on Easter, or Worshippers at Easter time.
I do find it interesting Obama said "On a day devoted to love, redemption, and renewal, we pray for the victims"
Love and redemption because Christ died in our place for our sins, renewal because of the new beginning that offers. Pray, pray to whom?
Many politicians simply play and say things to the audience like an actor, selling themselves. I have no idea the real beliefs of Obama, like many politicians he contradicts himself with words that sell. And the media will publicize it for the same reasons. I would also add that probably most of what hits Twitter isn't even reviewed let alone written by Hillary or Obama.
"The instantly recognizable statues on Easter Island (887 of them), called moai, have perplexed and fascinated explorers, experts and average folks since the Dutch explorer Jacob Roggeveen came across it in 1722. And Mr. Roggeveen is the reason it’s called Easter Island. He and his crew dropped anchor on Easter Sunday."
The statues of Easter Island have bodies, but after eons of being there, most of the bodies have become covered by alluvials.
That's cool. I wonder how long we just looked at giant heads sticking out of the ground and didn't think: hey we should dig under there and see if there is a body attached.
The left keep changing lanes, but going no where. Call them this. Call them that. Regardless, those of us on the right continue to call them muslims. We are steadfast and congruent. Lefties change things to make them feel better.
