No collusion found by Mueller and no Obstruction of Justice charge. That would be determined by the AG if he feels there is enough evidence. I have no doubt Mueller would have pushed that button had he discovered evidence.

Apparently crisis counselors are headed for DC to give the Dems some emotional support.

Rams

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The Attorney General

Washington, DC.
March 24, 2019

The Honorable Lindsey Graham The Honorable Jerrold Nadler
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate United States House of Representatives
290 Russell Senate Of?ce Building 2132 Rayburn House Of?ce Building
Washington, DC. 20510 Washington, DC. 20515
The Honorable Dianne Feinstein The Honorable Doug Collins
Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate United States House of Representatives
331 Hart Senate Of?ce Building 1504 Longworth House Of?ce Building
Washington, DC. 20510 Washington, DC. 20515

Dear Chairman Graham, Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Feinstein, and Ranking Member
Collins:

As a supplement to the noti?cation provided on Friday, March 22, 2019, I am writing today
to advise you of the principal conclusions reached by Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller and
to inform you about the status of my initial review of the report he has prepared.

The Special Counsel?s Report

On Friday, the Special Counsel submitted to me a ?con?dential report explaining the
prosecution or declination decisions? he has reached, as required by 28 CPR. This
report is entitled ?Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential
Election.? Although my review is ongoing, I believe that it is in the public interest to describe the
report and to summarize the principal conclusions reached by the Special Counsel and the results
of his investigation.

The report explains that the Special Counsel and his staff thoroughly investigated
allegations that members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, and others associated
with it, conspired with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere in the 2016 US.
presidential election, or sought to obstruct the related federal investigations. In the report, the
Special Counsel noted that, in completing his investigation, he employed 19 lawyers who were
assisted by a team of approximately 40 FBI agents, intelligence forensic accountants, and
other professional staff. The Special Counsel issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly
500 search warrants, obtained more than 230 orders for communication records, issued almost 50
orders authorizing use of pen registers, made 13 requests to foreign governments for evidence, and
interviewed approximately 500 witnesses.

The Special Counsel obtained a number of indictments and convictions of individuals and
entities in connection with his investigation, all of which have been publicly disclosed. During
the course of his investigation, the Special Counsel also referred several matters to other of?ces
for further action. The report does not recommend any further indictments, nor did the Special
Counsel obtain any sealed indictments that have yet to be made public. Below, I summarize the
principal conclusions set out in the Special Counsel?s report.

Russian Interference in the 2016 US. Presidential Election. The Special Counsel?s
report is divided into two parts. The ?rst describes the results of the Special Counsel?s
investigation into Russia?s interference in the 2016 US. presidential election. The report outlines
the Russian effort to in?uence the election and documents crimes committed by persons associated
with the Russian government in connection with those efforts. The report further explains that a
primary consideration for the Special Counsel?s investigation was whether any Americans
including individuals associated with the Trump campaign joined the Russian conspiracies to
in?uence the election, which would be a federal crime. The Special Counsel?s investigation did
not ?nd that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with
RuSsia in its efforts to in?uence the 2016 US. presidential election. As the report states: ?[T]he
investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated
with the Russian government in its election interference activities.?1

The Special Counsel?s investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts
to in?uence the 2016 election. The ?rst involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet
Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United
States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election. As
noted above, the Special Counsel did not ?nd that any US. person or Trump campaign of?cial or
associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA in its efforts, although the Special
Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian nationals and entities in connection
with these activities.

The second element involved the Russian government?s efforts to conduct computer
hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to in?uence the election. The
Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and
obtained emails from persons af?liated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party
organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including
WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a .
number of Russian military of?cers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for
purposes of in?uencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not ?nd that the
Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian
government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-af?liated individuals to assist
the Trump campaign.

In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether
members of the Trump campaign ?coordinated? with Russian election interference activities.
The Special Counsel de?ned ?coordination? as an ?agreement?tacit or express?between the
Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.?

Obstruction of Justice. The report?ssecond part addresses a number of actions by the
President most of which have been the subject of public reporting that the Special Counsel
investigated as potentially raising obstruction-of?justice concerns. After making a ?thorough
factual investigation? into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the
conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but
ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel
therefore did not draw a conclusion one way or the other as to whether the examined conduct
constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out
evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as
?dif?cult issues? of law and fact concerning whether the President?s actions and intent could be
viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that ?while this report does not conclude that I
the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.?

The Special Counsel?s decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation
without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it'to the Attorney General to determine whether the
conduct described in the report constitutes a crime. Over the course of the investigation, the
Special Counsel?s of?ce engaged in discussions with certain Department of?cials regarding many
of the legal and factual matters at issue in the Special Counsel?s obstruction investigation. After
reviewing the Special Counsel?s ?nal report on these issues; consulting with Department of?cials,
including the Of?ce of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide
our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the
evidence developed during the Special Counsel?s investigation is not suf?cient to establish that
the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made Without
regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and
criminal prosecution of a sitting president.2

In making this determination, 'we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that ?the
evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to
Russian election interference,? and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence
bears upon the President?s intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and
sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt
that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a suf?cient nexus to
a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President?s actions, many of which took
place in public View, the report identi?es no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive
conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent,
each of which, under the Department?s principles of federal prosecution guiding charging
decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-
justice offense.

Status of the Department?s Review

The relevant regulations contemplate that the Special Counsel?s report will be a
confidential report to the Attorney General. See Office of Special Counsel, 64 Fed. Reg. 37,038,



2 See A Sitting President?s Amenability t0 Indictment and Criminal Prosecution, 24 Op. O.L.C.
222 (2000).
3
37,040-41 (July 9, 1999). As I have previously stated, however, I am mindful of the public interest
in this matter. For that reason, my goal and intent is to release as much of the Special Counsel?s
report as I can consistent with applicable law, regulations, and Departmental policies.

Based on my discussions with the Special Counsel and my initial review, it is apparent that
the report contains material that is or could be subject to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure
which imposes restrictions on the use and disclosure of information relating to matter(s) occurring
before grand jury.? Fed. R. Crim. P. Rule 6(e) generally limits disclosure of certain
grand jury information in a criminal investigation and prosecution. Id. Disclosure of 6(e) material
beyond the strict limits set forth in the rule is a crime in certain circumstances. See, e. g. 18 U.S.C.
401(3). This restriction protects the integrity of grand jury proceedings and ensures that the
unique and invaluable investigative powers of a grand jury are used strictly for their intended
criminal justice function.

Given these restrictions, the schedule for processing the report depends in part on how
quickly the Department can identify the 6(e) material that by law cannot be made public. I have
requested the assistance of the Special Counsel in identifying all 6(e) information contained in the
report as quickly as possible. Separately, I also must identify any information that could impact
other ongoing matters, including those that the Special Counsel has referred to other of?ces. As
soon as that process is complete, I will be in a position to move forward expeditiously in
determining what can be released in light of applicable law, regulations, and Departmental
policies.

As I observed in my initial noti?cation, the Special Counsel regulations provide that ?the
Attorney General may determine that public release of? noti?cations to your respective
Committees ?would be in the public interest.? 28 CPR. I have so determined, and I
will disclose this letter to the public after delivering it to you.

Sincerely,

William P. Barr
Attorney General

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It's obvious that Mueller is a Russian agent.

Just Announced, No Collusion!

I beg to differ.

First of all, collusion is not a crime. Hence there can be no obstruction of justice. PERIOD !

Secondly, the witch hunt was not about finding Russian collusion. It was all about TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome. If it were about Russian collusion, Hillary and her cohorts would have also be subpoenaed before Miller's highly partisan investigative body. The Steel dossier would have been a focus of investigating Russia's involvement in our elections. Lest not forget, the Russian attempts were done under the Nobama administration. What did he do ? He gave Russia a stern(?) warning to knock it off, .

I just want to know if I have enough time to run to the store and stock up on beer and potato chips before the riots start.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Just Announced, No Collusion! I beg to differ.

Differ all you want Cliff, that was the nail the Dems hung their hat on. Makes no difference to me.

Now, they'll yell Obstruction. there hasn't been a decision made, (Corrected) AG Barr and Deputy AG Rosenstein say no obstruction. Regardless of the numerous tweets twatted (thinking I just invented that phrase) not a word spoken in reference to the "Witch Hunt" that they could have raise the issue. They didn't. They hung all their thoughts, hopes and prayer on being able to impeach President Trumo on the collusion probe. The fact is, they (Democrats) hate President Trump but don't want to play by the rules and send a winner into the next election cycle. We were stuck with the Clintons and Obama for years, my only advice is for them to Suck It Up.

Beto O'Rourke just said yesterday that he had no doubt the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians. How does one get egg off their face.
The Dems will continue their crusade to rid the WH of Trump. He's done more to right the wrongs of the Obama saga than they can stand. Stand by, more drama to come.......

Rams

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I believe that the Mueller investigation only shows one thing. That President Trump and any of his associated did not collude with the Russians. However, that does not have any say in the actual collusion and interference done by the Democrats and the Hillary Clinton Campaign. They were the ones in contact with foreign agents in an attempt to influence the election. They were the ones who bought and bought into the Russian Dossier full of lies. They were the ones who spread it to the media who then colluded with the Democrats to push this false agenda.

Along the way we see many crimes. Crimes such as the head of the FBI leaking FBI information to a media friend to instigate a special prosecutor. Or how about the dubious and illegal way that some of President Trump's associates were investigated by the CIA. And then the unmasking of those individuals who were caught on the phone talking to those who were being investigated illegally? Maybe, we might also want to think about the illegal lying to the FISA court by the FBI and the CIA officials. Or even the existence of a Secret FISA court at all. If it can be abused it most likely will and this just proved it.

How about the weaponization of the various alphabet agencies of the US government. The IRS, which still seems to be thumbing its collective nose at the conservatives, libertarians, TEA Party Patriots and just patriots. Then the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ and various other agencies. Even the UN rep has a dubious reputation of unmasking hundreds of US citizens. Makes you wonder just how corrupt the whole Obama administration was and how the Democrats colluded with the Obama administration to try to hide that fact.

And now we have Nadler, pencil neck and others who will not give it up. They still want to maintain this narrative of lies. They have more than just egg on their faces. They have been shown to be bald faced liars and cheaters. Maybe we should just impeach some of them.

From a pissed off conservative who is extremely tired of the BS put out by the Democrats, the Media and the Deep State.

Just announced! Today, March the 24, will from now on be a National Holiday known as No Collusion Day!

I just wish there was some way we as a country could be repaid for all the time and material wasted on this witch hunt! I'm fed up with the way these over paid politicians waste the money that I worked hard to make.

quote Originally posted by Black&Silver 86: I just wish there was some way we as a country could be repaid for all the time and material wasted on this witch hunt! I'm fed up with the way these over paid politicians waste the money that I worked hard to make.

You are absolutely right. Someone should open a "Go Fund Me" page. Call it reparations and lefties could donate to assuage their guilt.

It's my impression that the forfeitures by Paul Manafort--bank assets and real estate--are of a magnitude that translates into a sizable "discount" from what would otherwise be the MSRP or sticker price for the Mueller Investigation. Excluding ancillary or related costs incurred for the Congressional hearings that have been heard, and costs incurred by the White House Counsels, Don McGahn and his successor Pat Cipollone, and their staff.

That's money that the federal government has (or will) get from Paul Manafort. I think it has to be used by the Department of Justice. Not by the NOAA's Sustainable Fisheries Division (for example) or any part of the federal government, other than the Department of Justice.

Check it out.

Five sentences? No links? No [hide] or [thumb] tags? Are you feeling OK?

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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: It's my impression

It's everyone else's impression that your TRUMP obsession probably still won't abate even after this news due to your raging, untreated, mental illness.

GET HELP Ronald

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Not by the NOAA's Sustainable Fisheries Division (for example) or any part of the federal government, other than the Department of Justice. Check it out.

What?

Now you have a problem with saving the fish? Will it never end?

Rams

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: It's my impression that the forfeitures by Paul Manafort--bank assets and real estate--are of a magnitude that translates into a sizable "discount" from what would otherwise be the MSRP or sticker price for the Mueller Investigation. Excluding ancillary or related costs incurred for the Congressional hearings that have been heard, and costs incurred by the White House Counsels, Don McGahn and his successor Pat Cipollone, and their staff. That's money that the federal government has (or will) get from Paul Manafort. I think it has to be used by the Department of Justice. Not by the NOAA's Sustainable Fisheries Division (for example) or any part of the federal government, other than the Department of Justice. Check it out.

Except the charges against Manafort had nothing to do with the stated focus of the investigation - errr... "fishing expedition".

https://www.foxnews.com/opi...-the-american-people


The special counsel did not find that the 2016 Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government despite multiple offers. The attorney general vows to release as much of the Mueller report as possible.

One of the most shameful chapters of American political history ended Sunday – not with a bang, but with stunned silence over the realization that Americans have been fed an utter lie for nearly two years.

A letter to members of Congress by Attorney General William Barr summarizing Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report is out. It shows not a scintilla of evidence for the Trump-Russia “collusion” hoax that biased journalists and sore-loser politicians have spent countless hours and reams of print and TV time promoting. In fact, it reveals quite the opposite.

“The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” Barr wrote in his letter to Congress.

MUELLER REPORT SUMMARY RELEASED, SHOWING NO PROOF TRUMP TEAM CONSPIRED WITH RUSSIA

The jig is up. The emperor wears no clothes. All that remains is the stunning legacy of this politically motivated sham that threatened to undermine our confidence in our democracy.

Every supposed “bombshell” revelation and every successive person held up as the lynchpin of a grand international conspiracy to rob Hillary Clinton of the White House turned out to be nothing of the sort. George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and others have been charged or convicted over process crimes that Mueller himself set the stage for.

Democrats and the pliant media will wiggle, misdirect, refocus, and move the goalposts – anything to make this about President Trump’s tax returns, or Stormy Daniels, or former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort, or one of the multitudes of other backup hoaxes they’ve been preparing in anticipation of Mueller’s dud.

It won’t work. The Democrats staked their whole “resistance” to the Trump administration on the fake collusion narrative because they knew that their other imaginary scandals would be even easier to disprove.

The only thing left for serious people to consider is just how deep the misconduct, bias, and, yes, “collusion” went among those responsible for pushing this hoax.

We already know that the agents involved in the opening stages of the Great Russia Hoax conspiracy were talking about their investigation as an “insurance policy” against a man they wanted to “stop” from becoming president.

We knew that Andrew McCabe, the then-FBI deputy director with an axe to grind against Donald Trump, was colluding with the press to leak information and exaggerate the legitimacy of applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance warrants on Trump associates.

We knew that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein offered to wear a wire as part of an aborted coup attempt against the president.

And we knew that the same people pushing the investigation of Donald Trump decided to let Hillary Clinton off the hook for likely criminal conduct on the flimsiest of justifications.

Now we know there was nothing to this entire narrative from the very beginning, as even Rosenstein himself concluded, according to Attorney General Barr’s letter to Congress.

The Russia hoax was concocted by Hillary Clinton’s press shop during the presidential election campaign. It was selected as the best explanation for her unexpected loss, elevated into an investigation by career bureaucrats who did not want to work under Donald Trump, and then spun into a special counsel investigation through pressure from the media and career Justice Department lawyers on Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Throughout the investigation, President Trump repeatedly told the American people the truth: there was no collusion with Russia.

Liberals smugly scoffed at the president’s righteous indignation over the baseless Mueller investigation, and some in the media glibly and falsely reported that his children were expected to go to prison.

Trump opponents cheered Mueller’s team as it engaged in some of the most severe prosecutorial excesses, sending otherwise innocent people to prison for lying to the FBI, even though there was no underlying criminal conduct to expose.

Now President Trump gets to cheer. “No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!” he tweeted.

The Mueller investigation is over, and it conclusively determined there never was any collusion or obstruction of justice, leading us to wonder why and how this investigation ever got started in the first place. This was an outrage perpetrated against all of the American people.

(I don't normally read Fox reports but this rings true IMHO.)

Rams

I want to see people punished for this false investigation. On the outside looking in I guess that people could go to prison for what has been done.

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I want to see people punished for this false investigation. On the outside looking in I guess that people could go to prison for what has been done.

That would be a dangerous precedent to set. Had this been left up to social justice, it would have been bad news. The social justing issue is still being pushed by the media and by the mentally ill but maybe it will fade.

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: The social justing issue is still being pushed by the media and by the mentally ill but maybe it will fade.

The Dems and most media have more than just egg on their faces. They have proven they know no low when it comes to President Trump and returning to power. As a registered Democrat, I am embarrassed by them and their actions. Getting me to vote a Dems ticket now would mean Hillary changed parties.

Rams

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quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: That would be a dangerous precedent to set. Had this been left up to social justice, it would have been bad news. The social justing issue is still being pushed by the media and by the mentally ill but maybe it will fade.

If laws were broken, it would be dangerous not to hold those responsible to task.

We do not have a two tiered system of justice.

The law applies equally to all citizens.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: If laws were broken, it would be dangerous not to hold those responsible to task. We do not have a two tiered system of justice. The law applies equally to all citizens.

If there's evidence, by all means, bring charges.

Or would you rather have an investigation, of an investigation, of an investigation, of an investigation?

I think the more people that ignore this "Russia collusion" distraction the better. All it is, is a long drawn out distraction and in the "end" will likely remain for those that really want it to be something, no matter what evidence is presented, ever.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: If there's evidence, by all means, bring charges. Or would you rather have an investigation, of an investigation, of an investigation, of an investigation?

I am agreement with your first statement, and opposed to the premise of your question.

Edit to add....

The failure to investigate, if laws were broken, or investigating for solely political purposes puts us squarely in Banana Republic territory.

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I normally steer clear of politics, but, the whole point seems to be missed here. The ONE line from the AG's letter:

quote ...attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord...

THAT seems to be achieved with complete success. Congratulations to Putin for that.

Let's all remember who the enemy here is. (Naw, screw that, let's all fight amongst ourselves.)

Trump enthusiasts should--they can't, but they should--remember that there was always more to the Special Counsel's investigation. More than probing the behavior of "one" Donald J. Trump and his family members and associates.

Three of Mueller's court filings represent the Counter Intelligence portfolio within the Special Counsel's investigation:

• U.S. v. Internet Research Agency, et al (1:18-cr-32, District of Columbia)
  
• U.S. v. Konstantin Kilimnik (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)
  
• U.S. v. Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, et al (1:18-cr-215, District of Columbia)
  

Mueller's efforts will not deter the next big Russian interference effort in our electoral politics, and the Russians or other foreign nationals who were behind the 2016 influence campaign, all singled out by name and criminally indicted by the Special Counsel, are safely beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. But there are important lessons for anyone who looks upon any of the various social media platforms as sources of "feedstock" for their thinking about political, social and cultural issues.

How many college and graduate level term papers and thesis submissions will say (in so many words) that the Mueller investigation was a watershed event in the evolution of social media, and in the empowerment of U.S. intelligence agencies and like-minded private sector interests that are arraigned against the next version of "This is what Vladimir Putin and his cronies want you to think,"..? How many such college and graduate level term papers and thesis submissions? And beyond that, how many memoranda, plans and other working documents and meeting agendas within the U.S. and U.S.-allied national public and private sectors?

"How many...?" is a rhetorical question.

The indictments and other court filings are here:
https://www.justice.gov/sco

It is easy, convenient and incorrect to blame the Russians in entirety.

Don't forget that this investigation was started by a weaponized FBI based on the contents of an unverified dossier.

The enemy is within.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: The failure to investigate if laws were broken, or investigating for solely political purposes puts us squarely in Banana Republic territory.

Do you know what "probable cause" is? I think you've committed a crime so I should investigate right? Search your house, check the bottom of all your drawers?


It seems you're intent on promoting social justice to fight social justice.

Those who knowingly, willingly and with ill intent, broke the law should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of applicable law directly related to the crime(s) initially addressed, nothing more, nothing less. In other words; if they acted to undermine the integrity of the government, those crimes should be addressed, no BS about tax evasion, soliciting or mopery.

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: Do you know what "probable cause" is? I think you've committed a crime so I should investigate right? Search your house, check the bottom of all your drawers? It seems you're intent on promoting social justice to fight social justice.

I think you may be misinterpreting my statement.

If it weren't for the Russia / Counter Intelligence aspects of the Special Counsel's investigation, Paul Manafort's fraudulent tax filings and other banking-related issues could have been handed off by the Special Counsel to one of the federal district prosecutor's offices (like DC, Eastern Virginia or SDNY). Or to the IRS. That's the way it could have and (likely) should have been done, IF Manafort were not being looked at so extensively in terms of the Russia and Ukraine parts of this "picture." But as it was, I don't think the Special Counsel was at all out of line in having his own prosecutors handle the entire Manafort case as it moved through the federal courts.

Somewhere in the Russian Federation, "one" Konstantin Kilimnik could be reading this very messages board text, while chuckling to himself and enjoying a fine cigar of the kind that are popular at the Grand Havana Room. The Grand Havana Room at 666 5th Ave, Suite #39, New York City, NY.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: If it weren't for the Russia / Counter Intelligence aspects of the Special Counsel's investigation, Paul Manafort's fraudulent tax filings and other banking-related issues could have been handed off by the Special Counsel to one of the federal district prosecutor's offices (like DC, Eastern Virginia or SDNY). Or to the IRS. That's the way it could have and (likely) should have been done, IF Manafort were not being looked at so extensively in terms of the Russia and Ukraine parts of this "picture." But as it was, I don't think the Special Counsel was at all out of line in having his own prosecutors handle the entire Manafort case as it moved through the federal courts.

If evidence of unrelated crimes was discovered during the investigation by the special council, that evidence should have been remanded to the appropriate jurisdiction, after the completion of the investigation.

quote Somewhere in the Russian Federation, "one" Konstantin Kilimnik could be reading this very messages board text, while chuckling to himself and enjoying a fine cigar of the kind that are popular at the Grand Havana Room. The Grand Havana Room at 666 5th Ave, Suite #39, New York City, NY.

It is obvious that the Democrats and the Russians shared a common goal. It is a testament to our system that both failed.

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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: ..remember that there was always more to the Special Counsel's investigation. More than probing the behavior of "one" Donald J. Trump and his family members and associates.

HORSECRAP

NOT TO YOU there wasn't.

You spent 2 years with your psychopathic babbling on this forum about TRUMP, his family and every single associate and many others.

Then of course there was your "Legendary Lawman" (Mueller) nonsense.

Nobody is going to allow you to tap dance away from your own mentally ill crap now Ronald.

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"These aren't the droids you're looking for."

Lindsey Graham calls for focus after Mueller to shift to FBI, Clinton campaign

Lindsey Graham Holds Press Conference To Announce He’s Calling For New Special Counsel To Investigate FBI, DOJ, Hillary, Targeting Of Trump

Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday he intends to uncover whether there was any wrongdoing by the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton’s campaign now that special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe found the Trump campaign did not conspire with the Russians.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told FNC's Sean Hannity Wednesday night that the Department of Justice must answer two questions: Did they stop the Clinton investigation because they wanted her to win? Did they start the Russian investigation against Trump as an insurance policy in case he won?

Rams

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: That would be a dangerous precedent to set. Had this been left up to social justice, it would have been bad news. The social justing issue is still being pushed by the media and by the mentally ill but maybe it will fade.

Sorry for not being clear, of course I would only want to imprison people for actual crimes. I do not condone punishing people for accusations that are simply expressions of freedom of speech. We also have civil courts that deal with abuses, and I feel that those are applicable in this case as well.
The core of the investigation accuses Russia of a smear campaign. Some how this was enough to spark a VERY high level investigation. BUT, every election cycle we are bombarded with smear campaign adds by AMERICAN POLITICIANS without any investigation. What it says to me is that we have incompetent people in the highest levels of law enforcement, or worse, politically motivated weaponization of government agencies (using investigations to dismember opposition). Political motivation of this type of is a crime, and I do feel that it sets no dangerous precedece to pursue an investigation of the matter nor does it set any new precedence.
Second: the investigation asks if Russia hacked computers. And guess what they said, yes Russia did hack computers and made the information public. None of the "leaked" information was fabricated, it was all raw and unedited. No smear campaign, just facts released for the World to see.
Was that a crime? I guess it was....maybe. BUT they found that Trump had nothing to do with it. So who goes to court for revealing facts???
The investigation was PURELY political.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: I think you may be misinterpreting my statement.

I'm not, you've given no reason and no specific law that there's any evidence of being broken that would weren't another investigation yet you're insisting it has been broken to fit a narrative much like the rhetoric the media constantly spammed us with.

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m4Fastback: I'm not, you've given no reason and no specific law that there's any evidence of being broken that would weren't another investigation yet you're insisting it has been broken to fit a narrative much like the rhetoric the media constantly spammed us with.

Thanks to your comment, I have reviewed my previous posting and realized I omitted a comma.

The edited post is below.

The failure to investigate, if laws were broken, or investigating for solely political purposes puts us squarely in Banana Republic territory.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.