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Congrats to Kentucky by 2.5
Started on: 03-13-2019 06:46 AM
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Report this Post03-13-2019 06:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
"On Monday, 11 March 2019. Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky restored Constitutional Carry to the State of Kentucky. Bevin signed Senate Bill 150 into law Monday. It allows Kentuckians 21 and older who can lawfully possess a firearm to be able to conceal it without a permit.

“This is a bill that recognizes as part of Kentucky law, once it is the law, once I have signed it, which I will, it recognizes the Second Amendment of the United States,” said Bevin. “That’s it, it doesn’t break new ground, it simply says that people do have the right to keep and bear arms.”

Vermont always had Constitutional Carry.
15 States have passed some version of Constitutional Carry since 2003.
2003, Alaska restored Constitutional Carry to the exercise of Second Amendment rights.
2010, Arizona restored Constitutional Carry.
2011, Wyoming restored Constitutional Carry.
2013, Arkansas passed Act 746 into law. It is effectively Constitutional Carry. Some county prosecutors have threatened prosecution. None has occurred.
2015, Kansas, and Maine became Constitutional Carry club members.
2016, Idaho, Missouri, West Virginia, and Mississippi became Constitutional Carry states.
2017, New Hampshire, and North Dakota restored Constitutional Carry.
2019, South Dakota and Oklahoma, and Kentucky have restored Constitutional Carry.
There are now twice as many states with Constitutional Carry as there are states the infringe on the right to bear arms with “May Issue” carry permits.
Several more states are good candidates to respect the Second Amendment and pass Constitutional Carry legislation.

Constitutional Carry states are on the Mexican an Canadian borders. They are in the East, West, and Middle of the country. They border the Pacific, the Atlantic, and the Gulf of Mexico. They include major metropolitan areas such as Phoenix, Oklahoma City, and Kansas City."

http s://www.ammoland.com/20...383899#axzz5i39T2ikQ

More in the article at the link above
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Seems like every state should have this.

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Report this Post03-13-2019 07:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierofoolEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The push by Georgia Gun Owners (GGO) for constitutional carry has been going on for years. During the election runup, GGO sent out surveys to every candidate who was runnning for Georgia House or Senate seats, asking if they supported constitutional carry. As I recall, the vast majority of those that didn't weren't elected or re-elected. Stacy Abrams ran on a gun control plank, aided by Bloomberg, Soros, and other anti-gun supporters.

Brian Kemp (R-GA) won Governorship by a very squeaky margin over Abrams. Kemp signed the survey pledge to support constitutional carry 100% if it was placed on his desk. Speaker Of The House David Ralston (R-GA) also pledged 100% support. But Ralston's actions are saying something else.

Ralston has kept the constitutional carry bill from coming up for a vote. He has frequently met with Bloomberg and other anti-gun proponents.

This summer, I plan to take a Fiero trip that will take me through 10 states. Three of those states do not allow me to carry a weapon, even though I have a valid CCW permit. The other 7 states have reciprocal agreements with Georgia, though some of their requirements differ from other states.

There are states that require the weapon to be in a locked container, some require the weapon be disassembled, or ammunition in one area of the vehicle and the weapon in another. Some require the weapon not be loaded and be secured with a gun lock. Another demands the weapon be transported in the trunk (can't be in the passenger compartment). Makes it difficult if you have a SUV.

I do see some problems with constitutional carry because anyone including violent criminals could carry until they are caught. I don't know how that can be prevented, but I guess that's the exact situation we face at the moment. Criminals carry until they're caught. Then they carry again.
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Report this Post03-13-2019 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Technically criminals carry whenever they want, whatever they want since laws don't apply when you are a criminal.
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Report this Post03-13-2019 11:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rinselbergClick Here to visit rinselberg's HomePageSend a Private Message to rinselbergEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So it's going to be legal for Kentucky residents to bear a copy of the Constitution outside of their home? Will they be allowed to carry it openly?
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So it's going to be legal for Kentucky residents to bear a copy of the Constitution outside of their home? Will they be allowed to carry it openly?


I know!
Too bad you're not allowed to do that in California!

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Report this Post03-13-2019 12:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Rickady88GTSend a Private Message to Rickady88GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Cool, I would LOVE to see this happen in California.
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Report this Post03-13-2019 12:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Does California even know what the Constitution is?
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Does California even know what the Constitution is?


Yes, it is a living breathing and evolving document. It's just a little slow at shedding off the 1800's. LOL
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Report this Post03-13-2019 12:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Living and breathing but with an intentionally slow metabolism, approaching cryosleep.
It can be modified via Amendment, a very long and drawn out process, preventing social fads from damaging the balance of power and limits placed on the Federal Government.

Beautifully designed, and sometimes misapplied.

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The Constitution is a BRILLIANT work. It is a huge part of what made America the great nation that we all enjoy. Ignorance of The Constitution is responsible for much of the trouble we now face.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

So it's going to be legal for Kentucky residents to bear a copy of the Constitution outside of their home? Will they be allowed to carry it openly?

For many years, I had a copy with me, either in my briefcase, on my PDA or on my phone. Now, with internet access always at my fingertips, I can just pull it up. Yeah, I am fanatical about The Constitution of the United States of America.
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It would be interesting to do a little research to see if these states have a lessor number of 'active shooter' incidents than those states which no lawful carry options. Or perhaps they have the same 'rate' of incidents per person but are stopped more frequently by someone carrying. I'd wonder if the criminals in these states are even aware of the 'carry' status they are up against?? Yes, much interesting research is hopefully being done on this topic.
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"21 and older who can lawfully possess a firearm "

Also note it doesnt seem to clearly reference the requirements to lawfully own one, which happens before you can lawfully carry it. Though one could look it up, per state.

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The concept is that everyone has the initial right own or carry under the Constitution, but may be restricted due to mental or criminal limitations.
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Originally posted by fierofool:

The concept is that everyone has the initial right own or carry under the Constitution, but may be restricted due to mental or criminal limitations.


Agreed
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Congrats, boys !!

If California had understood individual rights in 1989, I might still be living in the USA....but simple fact is we were a LOT free-er here in Ontario than that crap-hole.

So I left..but I had a place to go to, a lot dont.
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I can't find the photo sometime posted. MAGA magazine with a Trump face. I swear I saw it here
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I can't find the photo sometime posted. MAGA magazine with a Trump face. I swear I saw it here

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/123349.html#p18
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https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/123349.html#p18


Much obliged.
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Originally posted by fierofool:
The concept is ...


 
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Originally posted by 2.5:
Agreed


Wrong !

 
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Originally posted by fierofool:
The concept is that everyone has the initial right own or carry under the Constitution, but may be restricted due to mental or criminal limitations.


The concept that you think you see fierofool, I think, was the very first step at gun control.

The concept, as I see it, was inalienable rights.

 
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Inalienable Rights Constitution
Inalienable Rights. Personal rights held by an individual which are not bestowed by law, custom, or belief, and which cannot be taken or given away, or transferred to another person, are referred to as “inalienable rights.” The U.S. Constitution recognized that certain universal rights cannot be taken away by legislation,...


Which other Constitutional Rights do we forfeit ?

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Report this Post03-22-2019 06:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Gotta say, way to go to Missouri as well

"Legislatively, the bill would protect Second Amendment rights by refusing to allow any state officers to enforce any Federal laws considered infringements on Second Amendment rights by the definitions of the bill. Those include any taxes, stamps, or fees exclusively applied to firearms, accessories, or ammunition. It applies to any registration or tracking of those items.

No person would have the authority, under the State of Missouri, to enforce those measures."

https://www.ammoland.com/20...651339-21383899#axzz

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