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State of the Union Address by rogergarrison
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders are all the evidence needed to verify that the Democrats want a Socialist state.

The Mueller "investigation" is nothing more than a kangaroo court. In July of 2016, Comey enumerated some of H.R. Clinton's crimes on national television, then stated that he would not enforce the law.

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They still apparently dont realize that impeachment will never happen...the Senate has to approve it. Just the House saying its going to impeach is worthless drivel. The Senate and Supreme Court that would preside over a trial, AFTER it secured a House vote, are both controlled by the Republicans. It will really take some bad stuff to convict their own sitting president.


Almost. A simple Majority in the House can vote to Impeach the President which would include Articles of Impeachment (i.e. the things he is supposed to have done that are Unconstitutional or against the Law.) They might start out with a list that is 10 items long and finally 'pass' just a few. For example, there were 4 charges against Clinton but only 2 passed. If they pass even One article the President will have been successfully impeached, which is, I believe, the true Democrat goal: this is payback for Impeaching Pres. Clinton. Then they will be able to correctly say 'we impeached Trump' and celebrate accordingly.

However, our amazing Constitution requires a second stage which is the likely show-stopper and was such for Pres. Johnson and Pres. Clinton. If the House passes even one article the Senate must hold a trial and then the Pres. is either Convicted, if 2/3 of the members pass the resolution, or Acquitted if not. Johnson was acquitted by a Single Vote whereas Clinton escaped handily (even all the Repubs didn't vote against him.) So the bottom line is Trump WILL be impeached but he will NOT be convicted.

Hmmmn, should I start a little betting pool? When will the articles be passed? How many will there be? What will be the final House vote? What will be the final Senate vote?
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One of the best SOTU speeches ever probably right?
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Almost. A simple Majority in the House can vote to Impeach the President which would include Articles of Impeachment (i.e. the things he is supposed to have done that are Unconstitutional or against the Law.) They might start out with a list that is 10 items long and finally 'pass' just a few. For example, there were 4 charges against Clinton but only 2 passed. If they pass even One article the President will have been successfully impeached, which is, I believe, the true Democrat goal: this is payback for Impeaching Pres. Clinton. Then they will be able to correctly say 'we impeached Trump' and celebrate accordingly.

However, our amazing Constitution requires a second stage which is the likely show-stopper and was such for Pres. Johnson and Pres. Clinton. If the House passes even one article the Senate must hold a trial and then the Pres. is either Convicted, if 2/3 of the members pass the resolution, or Acquitted if not. Johnson was acquitted by a Single Vote whereas Clinton escaped handily (even all the Repubs didn't vote against him.) So the bottom line is Trump WILL be impeached but he will NOT be convicted.

Hmmmn, should I start a little betting pool? When will the articles be passed? How many will there be? What will be the final House vote? What will be the final Senate vote?


You left out one other important fact;

The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court rules on the admissibility of the evidence presented.
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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?


And then would they also like to explain why investigations like Benghazi were not a "kangaroo court" when they had dramatically lower levels of evidence that any crime had been committed?
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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?

List a conviction and we will address it. List the most serious crimes committed by an American.
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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?



"Convictions and guilty pleas for WHAT son?

Answer that question and you will have answered yours.
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And then would they also like to explain why investigations like Benghazi were not a "kangaroo court" when they had dramatically lower levels of evidence that any crime had been committed?

Americans were brutally slaughtered in Benghazi. That fact alone warrants an investigation.

Just what atrocities is the Mueller farce addressing?

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Nasty Pelosi is being touted as Queen of the Clap. More power to her--and her crabs. As I watched the SOTU, I often wondered if this is her go-to demeanor when she doesn't understand. Then the camera would cut to Slovenly Bernie.

It is amazing that, even in the capitol building, during the SOTU, some people were still acting like children in a grade school. It's even more amazing that all the childish behavior was by elected officials. More amazing still is that these people managed to show enough votes--legitimate votes, of course--that they were elected to Congress. Topping that off is the fact that people are applauding this behavior.

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You left out one other important fact;

The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court rules on the admissibility of the evidence presented.


Makes sense, but I didn't know that! That certainly does allow for curve balls ...
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Makes sense, but I didn't know that! That certainly does allow for curve balls ...


It really just makes it stay within the bounds of established American Jurisprudence, rules of evidence and the United States Constitution.... and so that we don't get wild, insane, leftists trying to charge the President with things like: "saying mean things", "being a racist" or a host of other ridiculous non-crimes.

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Almost. A simple Majority in the House can vote to Impeach the President which would include Articles of Impeachment (i.e. the things he is supposed to have done that are Unconstitutional or against the Law.) They might start out with a list that is 10 items long and finally 'pass' just a few. For example, there were 4 charges against Clinton but only 2 passed. If they pass even One article the President will have been successfully impeached, which is, I believe, the true Democrat goal: this is payback for Impeaching Pres. Clinton. Then they will be able to correctly say 'we impeached Trump' and celebrate accordingly.

However, our amazing Constitution requires a second stage which is the likely show-stopper and was such for Pres. Johnson and Pres. Clinton. If the House passes even one article the Senate must hold a trial and then the Pres. is either Convicted, if 2/3 of the members pass the resolution, or Acquitted if not. Johnson was acquitted by a Single Vote whereas Clinton escaped handily (even all the Repubs didn't vote against him.) So the bottom line is Trump WILL be impeached but he will NOT be convicted.

Hmmmn, should I start a little betting pool? When will the articles be passed? How many will there be? What will be the final House vote? What will be the final Senate vote?


BUT the Senate HAS to convict him in a trial. That is not going to happen with a republican Senate...like ive said. Over 1/2 the republicans would have to side with democrats assuming all the democrats would convict. I guess the House can 'say' they impeached, but it carries absolutely NO weight and does nothing but let them say it.

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Originally posted by Threedog:

Where people post about something which is at best loosely related to the topic, and not discussing the evidence or question.



 
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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?


And then would they also like to explain why investigations like Benghazi were not a "kangaroo court" when they had dramatically lower levels of evidence that any crime had been committed?



Follow your own advice much Bro?
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#Where'sRuth


If anyone was wondering why the latest pro-infanticide legislation in NY and VA, RBG is the answer.

They know she's going soon and they are preparing.

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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?

This is a ligament question, in fact I have been waiting for it to be asked. BUT, we must understand the mission and scope of the " investigation". First and for most, this investigation is political in nature as it relates to an American Presidential election. So within this context we should ask if the charges are politically "nutral" or slanted? Second: are the investigators nutral? Third: is the investigation "investigating" crimes or exacting revenge (assuming that the investigation is not nutral"?
Threedog, respectfully: correct me if I am wrong or I may have my priorities mixed.
So please list the "crimes" that are directly related to Trump and Russians meddling in an American election. As far as I know, the charges are petty and totally unrelated to Trump and or Russians? Tax evasion....??? Really? The Internal Revenue Services could have done the same investigation much much cheaper. Spending election donation money for "other that campaign ads" is also a non-issue because this is a rampant and systemic problem with the American process. Trump and his followers are no different in this respect.
Let's not forget the accusations made against Trump in this investigation, what real results have the investigators made in finding election fraud?
 
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And then would they also like to explain why investigations like Benghazi were not a "kangaroo court" when they had dramatically lower levels of evidence that any crime had been committed?

Well, this is a not so complicated question. The reason for the attack WAS NOT a film. As the Obama administration spent years lying to the World to validate. So naturally Obama tainted the investigation and accusations. No mystery as to the outcome of the "investigation". EXACTLY the same kind of scandalous people let Hillary off the hook for federal prison for what she did.
Politics is ugly and scandalous.
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BUT the Senate HAS to convict him in a trial. That is not going to happen with a republican Senate...like ive said. Over 1/2 the republicans would have to side with democrats assuming all the democrats would convict. I guess the House can 'say' they impeached, but it carries absolutely NO weight and does nothing but let them say it.


Right, I agree that even Establishment/Swamp Repubs won't join the Dems (in sufficient numbers) to 'convict' Trump in the Senate trial. I'd be willing to bet $ that 100% of Dem Senators would vote either 'Guilty' or 'Present.' The fact still remains that Andrew Johnson was Impeached (but not convicted), ditto for Bill Clinton. History records that as Impeachment and the same would be true for Trump.

Interestingly, the same process can be used for runaway Judges but I don't think it ever has or ever will be.
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Convicted:
Paul Manafort
Mr. Manafort was convicted on charges including tax and bank fraud at his trial in federal court in Alexandria, Va.

Since he was charged, Mr. Manafort has maintained his innocence and has sued the Justice Department, claiming that Mr. Mueller overstepped his authority as special counsel by bringing charges unrelated to Russian election interference. The dozens of counts of money laundering and bank fraud charges he faced were related to his work as a lobbyist and political consultant for Viktor F. Yanukovych, the Russia-aligned former president of Ukraine who was ousted in 2014.

In early June, Mr. Mueller charged Mr. Manafort with obstruction of justice, accusing him of trying tamper with witnesses in his case. Prosecutors said he had violated the terms of his release (Mr. Manafort was free on a $10 million bond awaiting trial), and a federal judge sent him to jail to await trial.

Mr. Manafort pleaded not guilty to those charges and additional charges related to his alleged failure to register as a foreign agent and conspiracy to launder money. A second trial for those charges was set for September in Washington.


Pleaded Guilty

Michael D. Cohen
Mr. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal fixer and lawyer, pleaded guilty to multiple charges, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion and bank fraud.

The campaign finance violations relate to two payments Mr. Cohen said he made to two women during the 2016 campaign to prevent them from publicly airing their allegations that they had affairs with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen said Mr. Trump had requested the payments be arranged.

Mr. Cohen’s plea deal did not include a requirement that he cooperate with federal prosecutors. However, he can provide information or evidence to them or Mr. Mueller’s investigators later.

Pleaded Guilty and Known to Be Cooperating

George Papadopoulos
Mr. Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to lying to the F.B.I. about a conversation with a professor during which he was told that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and “thousands of emails,” according to court records. He was sentenced to 14 days in jail, fined $9,500 and ordered to complete 200 hours of community service and one year of probation after he serves his sentence.

Mr. Papadopoulos initially told investigators that he met with the professor, who has known ties to the Kremlin, before he joined the Trump campaign. In fact, the meeting happened days after he became a campaign adviser, and he repeatedly tried to arrange meetings between Russian government officials and the Trump campaign.

He has been cooperating with the Mueller investigation since his arrest last July at Dulles Airport outside Washington. Mr. Papadopoulos was the first person to plead guilty in the inquiry.

In court filings, Mr. Mueller had recommended that Mr. Papadopoulos be sentenced for up to six months in prison for repeatedly lying to investigators.

Michael T. Flynn
Mr. Flynn, President Trump’s first national security adviser, pleaded guilty in early December to lying to the F.B.I. about conversations he had in 2016 with the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, Sergey I. Kislyak. Prosecutors said that in separate conversations, Mr. Flynn discussed an upcoming United Nations Security Council vote over whether Israel should be condemned for building settlements and over sanctions that President Barack Obama had issued against Russia.

Although his sentencing is delayed, court documents indicate Mr. Flynn will face zero to six months of prison time.

The first senior White House official to agree to a deal with prosecutors, Mr. Flynn has been cooperating with Mr. Mueller’s investigation. He said in a statement at the time that the decision to cooperate and the guilty plea “reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country.”


Richard Pinedo
Richard Pinedo, a Southern California computer science major, pleaded guilty in February to identity fraud after he created and sold fake bank accounts from 2014 through the end of 2017. While his indictment supported the charges Mr. Mueller brought against 13 Russian nationals for election meddling, a spokesman for the special counsel said prosecutors had “no evidence and there is no allegation he was a witting participant in the Russian efforts to interfere in U.S. elections and political processes.”

Mr. Pinedo has been cooperating with the Mueller investigation.

Alex van der Zwaan
The son-in-law of a Russian billionaire and a lawyer who worked with the former Trump campaign aides Rick Gates and Paul Manafort, Mr. van der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to prosecutors about a conversation he had with Mr. Gates in September 2016. Mr. van der Zwaan, a 33-year-old Dutch citizen, is a former lawyer in London for a powerful New York-based law firm — Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom.

In April, Mr. van der Zwaan became the first person to be sentenced in the special counsel’s investigation. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and fined $20,000.

Rick Gates
Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman for Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in February to a pair of charges, conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators. The plea deal came as Mr. Mueller was levying dozens of new charges of bank fraud and money laundering against Mr. Gates and Mr. Manafort, the campaign’s former chairman and a longtime associate of Mr. Gates.

The men were first indicted in October, and both pleaded not guilty. For nearly four months, Mr. Gates stood by that decision but said in February that “the reality of how long this legal process will likely take, the cost, and the circuslike atmosphere of an anticipated trial” had prompted a change of heart.

Mr. Gates, who agreed to cooperate with the special counsel’s investigation, testified against Mr. Manafort.

Charged:
Roger Stone Jr.
Charges: Obstruction of an official proceeding, making false statements and witness tampering

Twelve Russian Intelligence Officers
Charges: Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, identity theft, conspiracy to launder money

Konstantin V. Kilimnik Russian Army-trained linguist and associate of Mr. Manafort
Charges: Obstruction of justice

Thirteen Russian nationals and three related companies
Conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit bank fraud, identity theft

Charged or Guilty in related Cases that stemmed from information discovered in this investigation

Bijan Kian Former business associate of Michael T. Flynn
Charges: Conspiracy to violate federal lobbying rules

Ekim Alptekin Former business associate of Michael T. Flynn
Charges: Conspiracy to violate federal lobbying rules and lying to F.B.I.

Maria Butina Alleged Russian agent
Guilty: Conspiring to act as a foreign agent

Sam Patten Lobbyist linked to Konstantin V. Kilimnik
Guilty: Failing to register to work as an agent of a foreign power

I have yet to find any criminal convictions or guilty pleas from the Benghazi investigation.

Despite the fact that congress investigated Benghazi for a longer period of time then they investigated 9/11

As a matter of fact, the report faults the U.S. Military, not Clinton or Obama as well as the Obama administration on some fronts for the tragedy. Source Also, it is incredibly important to note that Obama did not attempt to claim that the investigation was a "witch hunt" like trump seems so fond of doing.

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"Trademark transparency..." The given right by our dear Messiah Obama.

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most of those convictions are just for lying about whatever facts, relating to Russia investigation or not. Very few are actual criminal crimes. Those that are, are for crimes they committed on their own, like tax evasion...nothing at all about Trump and Russians.

Im glad the dems got this farce started because its now starting to backfire on them. The complete Virginia government is in shambles now by their own doing. Remember 'beware of what you ask for'.
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I guess no one caught this snippet of his SOTU address. Perhaps not even President Trump. If he did ... I would say he didn't think about his words. If he did, he could have been more graphic when he said (at 14 seconds) "... allow a baby to be ripped from a Mother's womb ...".

I would have added "piece by piece piece". In contrast to the Dumbs emotional phrase "that children are being ripped from the arms of mothers" of illegal aliens.
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Paul Manafort
-Worked as a campaign advisor for Yanukovych from 2004 to 2010 and disputes the charges. His sentencing has been deferred until a court decides the legality of his convictions. His convictions may be overturned.

Michael D. Cohen
-tax evasion has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump
-campaign finance charge is invalid. The blackmail was paid from Trump’s own money.

George Papadopoulos
-convicted because he couldn’t remember the date of a meeting. I have had numerous meetings with federal agents and could not tell you the dates of the meetings.

Michael T. Flynn
-lied to the vice pres and was asked to resign after 24 days on the job.

Richard Pinedo
-has no ties to Trump, whatsoever

Alex van der Zwaan
-has no ties to Trump. Is not even an American.

There are no convictions on the remainder of your list.


 
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I have yet to find any criminal convictions or guilty pleas from the Benghazi investigation.

Consider the above statement vis-à-vis the seriousness of the Benghazi incident and the triviality of the entirety of the charges and convictions of the Mueller investigation and the pertinence of the term "witch hunt" becomes obvious.

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I have yet to find any criminal convictions or guilty pleas from the Benghazi investigation.




You have also failed to list any convictions, indictments or allegations that specifically and directly relate to "Collusion" with Russia by either the President or his campaign.

 
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Would anybody like to explain why the Mueller Investigation keeps returning to so many convictions and guilty pleas if it is a "kangaroo court"?


You just did.

 
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"Convictions and guilty pleas for WHAT son?

Answer that question and you will have answered yours.

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But, but, but....they are sooo confusing!
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