A judge publicly slammed the defense lawyers for a Russian company criminally charged by special counsel Robert Mueller, accusing the firm’s attorneys of submitting unprofessional and inappropriate court filings attacking Mueller’s office and of unwisely peppering legal briefs with jarring quotes taken from movies like Animal House.
“I’ll say it plain and simple: knock it off,” U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich told lawyers for the Russian company, Concord Management and Consulting, at a brief court hearing in Washington Monday morning.
The tone and content of the submissions from Concord’s combative attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, in past months has been unusual for lawyers practicing in federal court. A filing last week quoted both the British 19th Century historian Lord Acton and a slightly sanitized expletive uttered by the somewhat less erudite “Otter,” a fraternity brother in the 1970s classic Animal House.
From the actual court filing, which is only about a single page of text:
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The Special Counsel’s argument is reminiscent of Otter’s famous line [in the movie Animal House], “Flounder, you can’t spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You f**ked up . . . you trusted us. Hey, make the best of it.”
While childlike leftists, including Ronald, focus on Politico's hysterics over surplusage in a legal motion or pleading they are completely unaware of the actual strategy taking place.
If the article is actually read, the intent of the defense counsel becomes obvious and the judge took the bias / disqualification bait.
A judge is a trier of facts, evidence and the law. That's IT. They run a real risk when they stray outside the boundaries of that.
Watch for a motion to disqualify / recuse the judge on the basis of bias or prejudicial conduct being filed in the case.......if that even gets reported.
It's not as "cute" as reporting "Animal House" so it doesn't attract the very limited intellect of lefties.
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More brain flatulence from the one who is so sorely afflicted.
It's freakin' Animal House..! It would not have made any difference to me if this had been in connection with courtroom proceedings about a road vehicle accident in Omaha (NE) or a building and construction codes controversy in Springfield (IL). I would have presented it here, just the same. It just happens to be a case that is connected to or part of the Mueller investigation.
If the one who is so sorely afflicted wants to opine at more length on the actualities of the legal proceedings involving the Mueller investigation and the Russia-based firm of Concord Management and Consulting, he really needs to start his own New Topic; or if not that, then he should refrain from entering into someone else's New Topic with his azz exposed instead of his face.
The one who is so sorely afflicted is a kind of forum parasite. Sucking the civility out of New Topics that are started by some other forum member, instead of starting his own New Topics. He should GFY himself. Or if not that, then he should stop listening to the cackling, demented voice that constantly plays inside of his head. Especially when that voice starts up with another new reference to "rinselberg".
Legal strategies... bla, bla, bla.
Robert Swan Mueller III has already earned a place of honor in the pantheon of legendary and revered American lawmen, alongside of Eliot Ness, Allan Pinkerton, Wyatt Earp and August Vollmer. No matter what happens next, or how the Muller investigation is finally wrapped up and recorded in the history books.
This is Animal House.
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It would not have made any difference to me if this had been in connection with courtroom proceedings about a road vehicle accident in Omaha (NE) or a building and construction codes controversy in Springfield (IL). I would have presented it here, just the same. It just happens to be a case that is connected to or part of the Mueller investigation.
Robert Swan Mueller III has already earned a place of honor in the pantheon of legendary and revered American lawmen, alongside of Eliot Ness, Allan Pinkerton, Wyatt Earp and August Vollmer. No matter what happens next, or how the Muller investigation is finally wrapped up and recorded in the history books.
If you're going to keep LYING as usual Ronald at least TRY to be better at it.
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This is Animal House.
NO, it's just your raging mental illness making you focus on insignificant things like puerile propaganda from Politico that aids and abets your obsession with President Trump, Mueller and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.
Your ability to discern between fantasy and reality is tenuous at best.
Your're SICK Ronald. Get Help.
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If the Afflicted One ("AO") would return here with the news that the judge in this case has been disqualified or recused because of bla-bla-bla, I will acknowledge that AO actually said something smart on this forum.
Not being reported in the media? The AO has touted his own legal expertise. Maybe he can find his way to whatever legal document that would become publicly available online, to validate his prediction, or affirm the sagacity of his very specific law and legal-related rumination about this case.
Like we tell every other drooling, moronic leftist around here: DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH.
"We"..? No. You.
You say the judge in this case has taken the "bait" and is going to be disqualified or recused because of his remarks to the defense lawyers...?
i'm waiting, Mr Big Legal Kahuna. Put Up Or Shut Up. I don't think recusal is going to happen. But it's all the same to me. When I started this Topic, it was all about Animal House.
Your constant attempts to "gaslight" and insult anyone that shows up here with any idea or opinion that you don't agree with--a long-running but futile effort on your part to make me stop showing up here--is beyond tiresome. It only reveals the depth of your own affliction and suffering. A more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to your forum access, because of your constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule.
Take yourself and your wheelchair, or your scooter, or however you manage to move from one place to another, and go off a cliff. If there's not one close by, take the entrance ramp onto an Interstate or an urban freeway. Any surface road with constant traffic that goes at least 30 mph.
Stop trying to project your own cognitive and emotional deficiencies onto anyone that shows up here that doesn't have an "R" (for the "randye party") after their name--to put it somewhat figuratively.
If you really think there is something out of line, in terms of the Posting Rules, about the Topics that I start or about any of my public messages on this forum, take it up with the moderator.
That's all unofficial.
Officially?
Drop dead.
I have returned to revise one of my assertions here: That "a more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to randye's forum access, because of his constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule (listed first, among the Posting Guidelines)."
After weighing the various equities that are involved, I strike that sentence and replace it with this:
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A human forum moderator, with a no-compromises attitude about upholding the Posting Guidelines and a Proactive or Rapid Response mentality about using all of the tools in the moderator toolset, would be far preferable to the Member On Member ratings system, in terms of maintaining a reliably civil ambience to the forum's Off Topic discussions, in line with the aspiration of the first of the listed Posting Guidelines.
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I, and others have said this to you and others on this Forum.
If you don't like the way Mr. Pennock runs his Forum, well, you will just have to cope with your anguish. Speaking for myself, I enjoy the freedom of speech provided by his management.
It very American.
Or the way America used to be......
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Getting hysterical enough to start mailing poop to your "enemies" again Ronald?
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
"We"..? No. You.
You say the judge in this case has taken the "bait" and is going to be disqualified or recused because of his remarks to the defense lawyers...?
i'm waiting, Mr Big Legal Kahuna. Put Up Or Shut Up. I don't think recusal is going to happen. But it's all the same to me. When I started this Topic, it was all about Animal House.
Your constant attempts to "gaslight" and insult anyone that shows up here with any idea or opinion that you don't agree with--a long-running but futile effort on your part to make me stop showing up here--is beyond tiresome. It only reveals the depth of your own affliction and suffering. A more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to your forum access, because of your constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule.
Take yourself and your wheelchair, or your scooter, or however you manage to move from one place to another, and go off a cliff. If there's not one close by, take the entrance ramp onto an Interstate or an urban freeway. Any surface road with constant traffic that goes at least 30 mph.
Stop trying to project your own cognitive and emotional deficiencies onto anyone that shows up here that doesn't have an "R" (for the "randye party") after their name--to put it somewhat figuratively.
If you really think there is something out of line, in terms of the Posting Rules, about the Topics that I start or about any of my public messages on this forum, take it up with the moderator.
That's all unofficial.
Officially?
Drop dead.
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Here we are once again where I have to use this oft repeated comment:
The truth almost always eventually comes out and it is NEVER what the leftist media told you originally.
Prejudicial conduct from the bench. Illegal ex parte communications with the judge AND violation of a court protective order by Special Counsel.... WOW!
"Said Mr. Dubelier, ....For a reason unknown to undersigned counsel, the Court [judge] took it upon itself to defend the Special Counsel, creating at a minimum an appearance of bias or prejudice in favor of the government.”
Hook, Line and Sinker. The judge took the took the prejudice bait.....
But WHY was this "bait" tossed into the motion to begin with??
The "firewall counsel" appointed by the court, is not legally intended to be on the plaintiff's side or the defendant's, HOWEVER, it seems that some communication with the "firewall counsel" by the defendant was been passed on to the plaintiff / Special Counsel which they then started investigating, and then made some ex parte communications with the judge, which is HIGHLY unethical, inappropriate and probably illegal.
The defense counsel rightfully expected the impartiality of the "firewall counsel" and impartiality of the Judge, but that trust was obviously violated which prompted this in the motion:
Imagine that, Ronald's "hero" and "legendary lawman" and his minions actually violating court protective orders and conducting illegal ex parte communications with the judge and refusing to comply with legal discovery!
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Take yourself and your wheelchair, or your scooter, or however you manage to move from one place to another, and go off a cliff. If there's not one close by, take the entrance ramp onto an Interstate or an urban freeway. Any surface road with constant traffic that goes at least 30 mph.
Officially?
Drop dead.
"A more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to your forum access, because of your constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule." *snerk*
Ronald, please go get the professional mental health attention that you so obviously and desperately need.
Just look at yourself. Telling someone to commit suicide and wishing their death in a public forum ?!
...and this isn't the first time Ronald. You have even made DEATH THREATS toward me:
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Here we go again. All that from "unhinged"..?
GET A COFFIN, YOU IMBECILE.
You're sick Ronald. Seriously, Get Help before you hurt yourself or someone else.
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The assertion was that "a more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to randye's forum access, because of his constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule (listed first, among the Posting Guidelines)."
After weighing the various equities that are involved, I strike that sentence and replace it with this:
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A human forum moderator, with a no-compromises attitude about upholding the Posting Guidelines and a Proactive or Rapid Response mentality about using all of the tools in the moderator toolset, would be far preferable to the Member On Member ratings system, in terms of maintaining a reliably civil ambience to the forum's Off Topic discussions, in line with the aspiration of the first of the listed Posting Guidelines.
This will be duplicated at the end of that previous moment in the discussion.
The assertion was that "a more attentive forum moderator would have already stepped in and put an end to randye's forum access, because of his constant and flagrant disrespect for the Keep It Civilized rule (listed first, among the Posting Guidelines)."
After weighing the various equities that are involved, I strike that sentence and replace it with this:
This will be duplicated at the end of that previous moment in the discussion.
I like to think that Cliff Pennock expects that as adults, we should all act accordingly. Most of us do not need a babysitter and I am sure he has other things he would rather do than mediate disputes between virtual children.
The moderation of this Forum is just fine. Say what you want, and let the Forum moderate itself via the ratings system. Guidelines are just that - guidelines.
Freedom of speech is very American. Freedom comes with responsibility. Failure to be responsible has consequences. These consequences are best determined by the members of this Forum.
Why do you want to 'grow government' when it's not needed?
Freedom comes with responsibility. Failure to be responsible has consequences. These consequences are best determined by the members of this Forum.
In my opinion, Self-Policing is too easily corruptible (by greed, emotion, party lines, popularity, etc.) to be trustworthy in the oversight of "responsibility". From the business of Government, to the cleanliness of the restaurant kitchen that prepares your food. Self-Policing always runs the very real risk of being tainted by self-preservation.
An impartial 3rd party (i.e. nothing to gain, nothing to lose) always works best, in my opinion.
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In my opinion, Self-Policing is too easily corruptible (by greed, emotion, party lines, popularity, etc.) to be trustworthy in the oversight of "responsibility". From the business of Government, to the cleanliness of the restaurant kitchen that prepares your food. Self-Policing always runs the very real risk of being tainted by self-preservation.
An impartial 3rd party (i.e. nothing to gain, nothing to lose) always works best, in my opinion.
You attempted oversight. It failed.
I pay my taxes monthly. (FYI, this statement means that I am not guilty of any damn thing. I am a free citizen with all rights given to him by God and government.)
In my opinion, Self-Policing is too easily corruptible (by greed, emotion, party lines, popularity, etc.) to be trustworthy in the oversight of "responsibility". From the business of Government, to the cleanliness of the restaurant kitchen that prepares your food. Self-Policing always runs the very real risk of being tainted by self-preservation.
An impartial 3rd party (i.e. nothing to gain, nothing to lose) always works best, in my opinion.
I disagree. I have a strong libertarian streak.
After all is said and done, this is still just an internet forum. It boils down to nothing more than blinking lights on a flat sheet of plastic. The stakes are not high enough to warrant more than a minimal degree of oversight.
In government, 3rd party oversight opens up opportunity for corruption. There is no way to escape human nature. The more control placed on people, the less productive they become. Freedom is almost always the preferred state.
After all is said and done, this is still just an internet forum. It boils down to nothing more than blinking lights on a flat sheet of plastic. The stakes are not high enough to warrant more than a minimal degree of oversight.
In government, 3rd party oversight opens up opportunity for corruption. There is no way to escape human nature. The more control placed on people, the less productive they become. Freedom is almost always the preferred state.
Do you believe people/business should self-police themselves?
Restaurant kitchen health inspections? Toxic waste disposal? Food & Drug manufacturers? Safety? Law enforcement?
If you believe in rules, and following those rules, how can you not believe in the assurance that those rules are being followed? Or are you satisfied with just taking the persons/business's word for it? With no one checking, what would keep them from lying?
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Do you believe people/business should self-police themselves?
Restaurant kitchen health inspections? Toxic waste disposal? Food & Drug manufacturers? Safety? Law enforcement?
If you believe in rules, and following those rules, how can you not believe in the assurance that those rules are being followed?
In maters of safety, some degree of regulation may be necessary, human nature being as it is. However, we have gone way overboard in our current society. Right now, there are 535 people getting payed exorbitant amounts of money to do nothing but think of new ways to restrict our freedom. It is quite literally their full time job.
This forum is not a safety issue, except that every now and then I fall out of my chair laughing. One day I might hurt myself.
The moderation of this Forum is just fine. Say what you want, and let the Forum moderate itself via the ratings system. Guidelines are just that - guidelines.
Freedom of speech is very American. Freedom comes with responsibility. Failure to be responsible has consequences. These consequences are best determined by the members of this Forum.
Why do you want to 'grow government' when it's not needed?
It's very telling isn't it?
You give lefties the absolute most basic form of Democracy, "one man, one vote", and when the results of that aren't what they want, they claim it's "corrupt" and demand a totalitarian / authoritarian government which they claim is "incorruptible".
Of course it's "incorruptible" only as long as they get precisely what they want and when that invariably doesn't happen, they repeat the cycle again and demand a "Democracy".
None of their bullcrap is about the WAY the forum is run. It's purely about them not getting THEIR OWN WAY.
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NO, it's just your raging mental illness making you focus on insignificant things like puerile propaganda from Politico that aids and abets your obsession with President Trump, Mueller and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.
Your ability to discern between fantasy and reality is tenuous at best.
Your're SICK Ronald. Get Help.
There are all kinds of reports and "angles" right now, in the news--various news venues--about Russia. Trump and Russia. The U.S. and Russia. Russia and Russia.
If it were actually my intention to inundate this forum with New Topics and new messages about President Trump, Robert Mueller and/or Russia, I could so easily ratchet that up to a significantly greater level than this.
That's not my purpose.
You're an IDIOT, randye, to say the crap that you say here about me. Like the way you ended that message.
All it means to me, and to any other perceptive onlooker, is that you are such a f*ckin snowflake that you cannot abide it when someone shows up here, or has a presence here, and they do not think almost exactly in unison with the way that you think about political events, events involving the justice system, other national and international themes and issues, cultural and social yada, yada, yada.
Your messages are proof that the Member On Member rating system is not a viable substitute for a human moderator--well, I already said it earlier today, in this very Topic:
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A human forum moderator, with a no-compromises attitude about upholding the Posting Guidelines and a Proactive or Rapid Response mentality about using all of the tools in the moderator toolset, would be far preferable to the Member On Member ratings system, in terms of maintaining a reliably civil ambience for this forum's Off Topic discussions, in line with the aspirations of the first of the listed Posting Guidelines, to "keep it civilized."
Do you ever discuss any of these "weaponized" (anti-personnel weapon) examples from the online messages that you create here, with anyone fromf your Wellness Support System, or whatever such jargon is currently in vogue. What, you don't have any such thing?
I just checked, as best as I can figure it out, and I have not uncovered anything online which suggests (to me) that the federal prosecutor's case in USA v. CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC has been derailed or damaged by the "Animal House" remarks from Judge Dabney Friedrich.
Not yet, anyway. Of course, maybe it's too soon to know. As the wheels of justice are known to turn slowly, more often than not.
That must be the filing that came right after the filing that I referenced at the very top (second message) in this discussion. When "Animal House" was first referenced in the context of this case by the defense lawyers.
My search also turned up this, which is about this same case:
That is a blog entry, brief in length, and distinctly "arch" or tongue in cheek; satirical.
This other report, also brief, is from the Huffington Post, and is bereft of any overtly comical overtones:
‘Nude Selfie’ Obtained In Mueller Inquiry, Says Court Filing By Indicted Russian Firm Court filing by defense lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting LLC seeks discovery of "nude selfie" evidence obtained by Special Counsel and argues that discovery of how this "nude selfie" was obtained cannot reasonably be denied to defense lawyers on the pretext of "national security." Mary Papenfuss for Huffington Post Politics; December 27, 2018. https://www.huffingtonpost....6ad9e4b08aaf7a8edcaf
Nude selfie(s). Animal House. I like the way this case is shaping up. It's already earned its keep in the kaleidoscope-like milieu of (faux) online news'ing and (pseudo) miscellaneous blogging. It's where you are right now.
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lol!!
