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The “crimes” of these 600 are mostly for illegal entry, which do not “rape murder or steal”...try again.


I love how that was the one and only “fact” I got in response. You guys talk about how pissed off liberals are, maybe y’all should invest in mirrors!

No, they are not crimes of illegal entry. How could you have gotten that "fact"? I was about to post one source that you would enjoy, but there are NUMEROUS sources. A simple fact check shows this. A very simple search. I have tried again, and I am still confident in the words written in this thread.

I wear the finish off of mirrors young man.

Thanks for answering somewhat. I guess? One more... Would you talk to me in person the way you do here?

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"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

Remember the Mariel Boatlift? It also took place during an election year.

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Nary a response from anyone on the left here about how their kind responds in discussion.

Going sledding with a bunch of 8 year olds. Ta ta for now...

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Originally posted by williegoat:

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

Remember the Mariel Boatlift? It also took place during an election year.


History

In 2013 all 54 Senate Dems voted for $46 BILLION in border security. INCLUDING 700 miles of border fencing (wall).

Schmuckie Schumer even voted YES.

Guess what's different between then and now.

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https://www.khq.com/news/sh...b8-db1d468554bb.html


Anything to say about this illegal alien Threedog?

Would you care to answer any question, or will you continue to throw stones?


Edit: I have been giving this some thought. I blame you Threedog for this Officer's death. You are guilty.

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I'll bet the killer is already back across the unsecured, wide open border. A wall works in both directions.

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It looks like they got him: https://www.modbee.com/news...rticle223670960.html

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The irony of the Corporal killed by an illegal. The Officer migrated here and achieved his dream of becoming an Officer. A legal immigrant killed by an illegal in So. Cal. I blame the left for all of the deaths they cover. This man is not going home to his family because of leftist ideologies.

If the laws were followed, and the lefties corralled, we could have a chance. I care little for their responses.

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$18,000,640 of $1.0B goal

Raised by 297,819 people in 12 days.

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Build the wall America!

What was Ms. Lemon saying about radical white Americans?

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It looks like they got him: https://www.modbee.com/news...rticle223670960.html


This happened in the next town over from me. Since this area is mainly farmland, illegals live and work out here. However, they are not usually so stupid to shoot an officer.

So what needs to happen is very clear...police in this area need to start profiling, assume every Mexican is guilty and treat them accordingly during ANY interaction. Until then, police officers will continue to be shot. Modesto houses some of the biggest Mexican pussy gang members and this turd was one of them. Had the officer had his gun pulled, this may have been the other way around and an illegal Mexican turd would have been ventilated.

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1. “Merry Christmas” is not a genuine message if it comes between “you liar” “you’re an idiot” and “you’re naive”

2. A single criminal immigrant does not justify a wall any more than a single bad cop justifies getting rid of a police force.

3. The vast, VAST majority of immigrants are people fleeing from terrible situations CAUSED by bad US foreign policy. And not a single person here has disproved that.

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1. “Merry Christmas” is not a genuine message if it comes between “you liar” “you’re an idiot” and “you’re naive”

How uncharacteristically perceptive of you.

 
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2. A single criminal immigrant does not justify a wall any more than a single bad cop justifies getting rid of a police force.

However, tens of thousands of criminal foreign invaders do justify strict border control, including a wall.

 
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3. The vast, VAST majority of immigrants are people fleeing from terrible situations.....

That is why we have a legal process by which those legitimate refugees may seek asylum.

 
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..... CAUSED by bad US foreign policy. And not a single person here has disproved that.

Cite a specific, conservative based policy which has caused such a migration.

Oh, and HAPPY NEW TRUMP YEAR, in which he will still be your president!

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1. “Merry Christmas” is not a genuine message if it comes between “you liar” “you’re an idiot” and “you’re naive”

2. A single criminal immigrant does not justify a wall any more than a single bad cop justifies getting rid of a police force.

3. The vast, VAST majority of immigrants are people fleeing from terrible situations CAUSED by bad US foreign policy. And not a single person here has disproved that.


1. I think they are all truthful statements.

2. This isn't a "single" "criminal immigrant" It's Multiple illegal aliens. You are very obviously trying to minimize the problem.

3. You may be right, but looking at your history I'd bet no. They are "fleeing" to a country that gives them free stuff and protection from the cartels in their country. One group is certainly fleeing that awesome socialism that the left loves so much. The people interviewed by Darby said they were told they could have free medical and money if they got into the the U.S. Wow, amazing..... Of course the majority of the right is screaming that we need to stop all foreign aid.. Something the left pushes for.. I'm just glad you admit that it's bad.

4. If we have to go with the majority as you insist, I would like to point out that the majority of your party is pro baby murder. I guess that makes you a Baby Murderer right?

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Care to read Threedog? Do state statistics hold water?

I have asked where you want me to get my sources. I can only assume you are avoiding the question due to lack of knowledge, or embarrassment.


Texas... https://www.dps.texas.gov/a...lalienstatistics.htm

Feel free to disprove. Any one of any political leaning, feel free to disprove. I welcome correction. Most here actually do. Some want me silenced.

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Facts do not matter to liberals

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Care to read Threedog? Do state statistics hold water?

I have asked where you want me to get my sources. I can only assume you are avoiding the question due to lack of knowledge, or embarrassment.


Texas... https://www.dps.texas.gov/a...lalienstatistics.htm

Feel free to disprove. Any one of any political leaning, feel free to disprove. I welcome correction. Most here actually do. Some want me silenced.

I don’t need to disprove that, because it’s not wrong, its just out of context.

https://www.cato.org/public...legal-immigrant#full

When you adjust for numbers vs native born citizens, illegal and legal immigrants commit crimes at a FAR lower rate.

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And the number becomes zero if they aren't here

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If the illegal immigrants were arrested for the crime of being an illegal immigrants, the results of the study would be very different.
Selective enforcement of existing law biases the results of the CATO study, just as cherry-picking data enables the confirmation of any conclusion.

Figures don't lie, but liars figure......

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Thanks for answering. I am a bit stunned.

Illegal. You even use the word in defense? We need to get through the fact that entering illegally is illegal.

Olejoedad wrote it best.

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$18.6 million and not going away.

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It just falls into my hands. With one of my most hated, drunk driving as an icing.

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First world countries are dying due to falling birth rates. Ever notice that the areas with immigration are doing the best economically? And the states where people are leaving are quickly going south? Immigration is necessary for a strong economy.

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First world countries are dying due to falling birth rates. Ever notice that the areas with immigration are doing the best economically? And the states where people are leaving are quickly going south? Immigration is necessary for a strong economy.

Here in the U.S.A., we welcome immigration. We must build a wall to prevent invasion. The left refuses to acknowledge the contrast between the two separate issues.

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I have my entire life and will more than likely forever remain a strong proponent of legal immigration.

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When you adjust for numbers vs native born citizens, illegal and legal immigrants commit crimes at a FAR lower rate.


When you separate the very real criminal Illegals from the non-criminal Legals your numbers get blown up. Once again ILLEGALS commit crime at a far higher rate. EVEN IF we discount their first act on our soil of breaking the law by being here illegally.

You're playing a stupid numbers game. Perhaps the left buys the crap you are selling, but logical people can smell the bs from a mile a way.

If you don't think it's BS then you aren't worth talking to.

Additionally, if you have to make things up in order to be right.... You were never right.

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First world countries are dying due to falling birth rates. Ever notice that the areas with immigration are doing the best economically? And the states where people are leaving are quickly going south? Immigration is necessary for a strong economy.


It's always amusing to watch a clueless, soft child of the left lecture adults on things he knows absolutely nothing about.

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Enjoy knowing. Knowledge is King.

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President Trump and the folks on the ground.

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Here in the U.S.A., we welcome immigration. We must build a wall to prevent invasion. The left refuses to acknowledge the contrast between the two separate issues.


There is no invasion; it's nothing but a dog whistle from the president to get his base all riled up about a fairly insignificant threat. Support of this; illegal entry is DOWN over the tenure of the Trumps presidency (it was higher during the beginning). Now with it decreased, two years into his presidency, he's declaring it a national emergency. If this is the case, what was it two years ago? The fact is Trump is using this rhetoric (dangerously IMHO) to get people riled up.

Most people in this country illegally came here on legal pretenses and overstayed their visa's. This claim that there's some massive influx of people running through the desert where there isn't a border wall is fairly dubious; I would like to see a statistic of how many immigrants have come into the US via running through the desert where there is no border wall. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying the problem is probably way smaller than any statistic that's been plugged around. I've been to the border numerous times. There are already walls around any border city (eg Calexico).

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There is no invasion; Click to show


You had me up until here. I see no facts in your statement, only opinion. I am not flaming you. Only want factual discussion on something so important to me and so many other of our fellow Americans.

Think about this... $280,000,000,000 spent every year on illegal immigrants. That is Billion. Our President is asking for less than 1/56th of that sum. The wall will actually pay for itself in just under one week statistically. Off all that one gives to a nation, 1/56th is nothing.

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You had me up until here. I see no facts in your statement, only opinion. I am not flaming you. Only want factual discussion on something so important to me and so many other of our fellow Americans.

Think about this... $280,000,000,000 spent every year on illegal immigrants. That is Billion. Our President is asking for less than 1/56th of that sum. The wall will actually pay for itself in just under one week statistically. Off all that one gives to a nation, 1/56th is nothing.

LoL - so you quit 3 words in? Haha.

I have zero idea where your $280B number comes from. Trump said something about $200+B but in typical fashion, has zero research or support of his claims. I do ask that in interest of honest debate, don't reference him as he has a propensity to just make things up.

On the high side, conservative organizations like the heritage institute state illegal immigration costs ~$58B. Also, it will cost $5.6B to -start- the wall. In actuality, it's final price tag will be somewhere between $25B-$70B.

I'd still like to see how many people are in this country illegally from running across the border where there is no wall; your entire argument not only rests on this case but also your notion that this wall will completely prevent them from coming in. That is, they won't just throw a ladder over it or come in via other means.

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I watched the Dem (dim?) response and I couldn't help but think of an odd mix of "American Gothic" and "Herman and Lily".

On a serious note, we in Arizona have seen the death and destruction caused by the failure of leftist policy. It is evil. Do not try to convince us that criminals are not crossing the wide open expanses of desert. Their victims are found dead, or abandoned and dying across this relentless, god forsaken patch of earth. I have seen the results. I have been to their trial, seen their diabolical tactics and looked into their soulless eyes. If you really want to lessen the suffering of those who genuinely want a better life, do something about those who traffic in human lives. Close the door on the Coyotes.

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Most people in this country illegally came here on legal pretenses and overstayed their visa's.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Prove your claim.

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LoL - so you quit 3 words in? Haha.


Yeah, I only read those three. I am good with what you think I am knowledgeable on. Haha.


 
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I have zero idea where your $280B number comes from. Trump said something about $200+B but in typical fashion, has zero research or support of his claims. I do ask that in interest of honest debate, don't reference him as he has a propensity to just make things up.


I NEVER claimed President Trump gave me the numbers. Between social care and border security, not to mention medical and legal care for illegal immingrants, the numbers is upward of $280,000,000,000 per year spent on illegal immigrants. Not legal immigrants in which I am fully supportive of. Easily found on government web sights. So, you are confused in your attempt to disparage me here. Not sure why though? I factually did not say what you wrote. Nor did I allude to anything that you think in this instance.


 
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On the high side, conservative organizations like the heritage institute state illegal immigration costs ~$58B. Also, it will cost $5.6B to -start- the wall. In actuality, it's final price tag will be somewhere between $25B-$70B.


That is the ultimate lowest number that I found, and it only tries to encompass low impact socialist handouts. Not the entirety of those I mentioned earlier.

Where did you get $70,000,000,000? Please tell.


 
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I'd still like to see how many people are in this country illegally from running across the border where there is no wall; your entire argument not only rests on this case but also your notion that this wall will completely prevent them from coming in. That is, they won't just throw a ladder over it or come in via other means.


Do a search without grabbing the first Huff Post or Fox channel "facts".

Sorry that you believe my entire argument is not to your liking. I was not trying to belittle you. Haha.

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I would like folks to read an entire thread before commenting, but alas, we will get what we get.

Chuck Schmumer in years past. Listen. This is important. I agree with him.




Chuck Schumer tonight. Freaky I tell ya.



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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Prove your claim.


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I NEVER claimed President Trump gave me the numbers. Between social care and border security, not to mention medical and legal care for illegal immingrants, the numbers is upward of $280,000,000,000 per year spent on illegal immigrants. Not legal immigrants in which I am fully supportive of. Easily found on government web sights. So, you are confused in your attempt to disparage me here. Not sure why though? I factually did not say what you wrote. Nor did I allude to anything that you think in this instance.

I can not find a single government site that supports your claim of $280B. If it's as readily available as you suggest, can you provide a link?


 
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Where did you get $70,000,000,000? Please tell.


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/border-wall-report

Grain of salt; it is from the opposition to the wall.

 
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Sorry that you believe my entire argument is not to your liking. I was not trying to belittle you. Haha.


I don't believe such.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Prove your claim.



I love how “we are being invaded” doesn’t need extraordinary proof but he does.


Here are the numbers. The number of illegals in the country is going down and had been for almost a decade. https://www.google.com/amp/...n-the-u-s/%3Famp%3D1


I already posted proof that illegals are less likely to commit crime when compared to citizens.


Here is evidence that’s illegals don’t hurt the economy https://www.pbs.org/newshou...fect-the-u-s-economy

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