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Can you fix stupid? by 2.5
Started on: 11-29-2018 01:35 PM
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If its too long start around 6:20...

The thread title is related, but I'm not sure if it'll pass for everyone

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Did someone just say "postmodern"..?

 
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That postmodernism is indefinable is a truism. However, it can be described as a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as presence, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the univocity of meaning.
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy "Postmodernism"
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/

Contemplate that!

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Did someone just say "postmodern"..?
"That postmodernism is indefinable is a truism. However, it can be described as a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as presence, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the univocity of meaning."Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy "Postmodernism"
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/

Contemplate that!


"concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as presence, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the univocity of meaning."

Id say that's a good definition IMO.
They've been teaching that junk to kids for a while now, and society isn't better for it, IMO.

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I'm still "stuck" on the "simulacrum". Not to mention the "difference", "trace", "hyperreality" or "univocity."

But I guess the meaning is better understood from actual and specific examples of "postmodernism", and not from this abstract or conceptual description of it.

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I actually like that they used the more interesting less common words, as when one looks them up, to me their meanings define it more precisely.

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Jordan is a big fan (sarcastic)



There seems to be a bit of an agenda to it, intentional or not.

As with this vid too, if its too long, just watch the last half.

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Feeling kind of "chatty" today, and I don't want to go out the front door until I finish another mug of coffee.

If you go to the YouTube page for that video segment, there is a reference to people that hold to two mutually contradictory belief systems at the same time.

This reminds me of an aspect of the discussions that have arisen here (repeatedly) about Global Warming.

It would not be any chore for me to find instances on this forum where someone came in with "Yeah, liberals believe in all that Carbon Dioxide 'stuff' because they don't have any proficiency in actual Science."

And in the same breath, that same person will continue with some "riff" of their own, about Global Warming, that is no less in conflict with Science than what he is pushing onto the "liberals". That same person will branch into some ideas of their own, about Global Warming, that would be rejected as pointless and irrelevant to any of the current back and forth over Global warming--even by the actual scientists that have expressed their own doubts about the accuracy of the latest findings of the IPCC or the National Climate Assessment.

I could expand on that, and eventually, perhaps, I will expand on that, but right now it would need more time from me than my finishing off the remainder of my mug of coffee.

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I did go with the entirety of the second of the two YouTube videos that have emerged in this discussion. The presentation by Jordan Peterson, at the Manning Centre in Canada (Calgary).

The man deserves some credit. I also thinks he goes "overboard", and overlooks some very relevant aspects, when he describes (with a broad brush) the modern academic or college and university ethos in Canada and the United States.

Who is more likely to become part of the mainstream media's news reports? Is it the college or university student (or perhaps, not even a registered student) who gets in front of a microphone or a camera (or even just a low profile reporter) and starts shouting the slogans like Black Lives Matter, or Down With Trump-Inspired Fascism, or Down With Israel--All Hail the Palestinians, or Capitalism Must Be Completely Displaced by Industrial Strength Socialism, or Driving a Fossil-Fueled Vehicle is Murder, or "what have you"..?

Or is it the other student who is keeping a much lower "media" profile, and putting much more of a personal emphasis on activities like comparing between (technically, that should not be "between", but"among") books or articles or even video segments that offer contrasting ideas and perspectives and philosophical or political temperaments?

I think these "low profile" students still exist, and even in significant numbers, across many of the West's colleges and universities.Especially in the United States.

That's an idea on my part, that if it's true, seems to be getting kind of "eclipsed" in that video segment from Jordan Peterson.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Feeling kind of "chatty" today, and I don't want to go out the front door until I finish another mug of coffee.

If you go to the YouTube page for that video segment, there is a reference to people that hold to two mutually contradictory belief systems at the same time.

This reminds me of an aspect of the discussions that have arisen here (repeatedly) about Global Warming.

It would not be any chore for me to find instances on this forum where someone came in with "Yeah, liberals believe in all that Carbon Dioxide 'stuff' because they don't have any proficiency in actual Science."

And in the same breath, that same person will continue with some "riff" of their own, about Global Warming, that is no less in conflict with Science than what he is pushing onto the "liberals". That same person will branch into some ideas of their own, about Global Warming, that would be rejected as pointless and irrelevant to any of the current back and forth over Global warming--even by the actual scientists that have expressed their own doubts about the accuracy of the latest findings of the IPCC or the National Climate Assessment.

I could expand on that, and eventually, perhaps, I will expand on that, but right now it would need more time from me than my finishing off the remainder of my mug of coffee.



Sure, many people enjoy justifying their current opinons.
Many people also find it easier to lump people into groups, as if all who say something think like the other person you have heard say something similar at some point in your past.
Maybe that's what "triggered" should actually mean. When someone says a phrase that somehow embodies what you think a person would say who believes and promotes all that is the cause of trouble in the world. So you then see that person as the embodiment of the problems, they are the problem, its us and them of course. Herein is part of the issue.
Not realizing that each person is an individual.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I did go with the entirety of the second of the two YouTube videos that have emerged in this discussion. The presentation by Jordan Peterson, at the Manning Centre in Canada (Calgary).

The man deserves some credit. I also thinks he goes "overboard", and overlooks some very relevant aspects, when he describes (with a broad brush) the modern academic or college and university ethos in Canada and the United States.

Who is more likely to become part of the mainstream media's news reports? Is it the college or university student (or perhaps, not even a registered student) who gets in front of a microphone or a camera (or even just a low profile reporter) and starts shouting the slogans like Black Lives Matter, or Down With Trump-Inspired Fascism, or Down With Israel--All Hail the Palestinians, or Capitalism Must Be Completely Displaced by Industrial Strength Socialism, or Driving a Fossil-Fueled Vehicle is Murder, or "what have you"..?

Or is it the other student who is keeping a much lower "media" profile, and putting much more of a personal emphasis on activities like comparing between (technically, that should not be "between", but"among") books or articles or even video segments that offer contrasting ideas and perspectives and philosophical or political temperaments?

I think these "low profile" students still exist, and even in significant numbers, across many of the West's colleges and universities.Especially in the United States.

That's an idea on my part, that if it's true, seems to be getting kind of "eclipsed" in that video segment from Jordan Peterson.


You mean he sees the problem as overblown, and there are plenty of students who don't believe the post modern hype?

I hope so. I would say there is some kickback/blowback on some levels lately. But the fact that schools teach the garbage at all the way they do does bother me, and its trickling into laws.

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I'm guessing that's what you meant.

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That's what I meant.

I hope so, too.

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