Hillary, Obama and CNN headquarters all had bombs delivered either by hand or mail and discovered by FBI this morning. None exploded though, damn it. Areas around them are all locked down, and FBI exploded the devices. Not known if there are any more anywhere. Check Pelosi's mailbox, lol...or dont.
Such activity is antithetical to conservative values. I find it curious that it would happen just two weeks before the mid-terms. Could it be a "false flag" attack?
After a very positive two years, suddenly, in mid October we have a plunging DJI, the "migrant caravan" and now "right wing violence".
Think about it; the Clintons and Obamas are irrelevant. No one even cares enough to TP their front yard on Halloween.
[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 10-24-2018).]
Such activity is antithetical to conservative values. I find it curious that it would happen just two weeks before the mid-terms. Could it be a "false flag" attack?
After a very positive two years, suddenly, in mid October we have a plunging DJI, the "migrant caravan" and now "right wing violence".
Left wing extremists attack Republicans/Right Wingers O/T: SEE HOW VIOLENT THEY ARE
Right wing extremists attack Democrats/Left Wingers O/T: Hmm, could it be a false flag? This probably didn't happen.
This is a false narrative that is often repeated on this forum. Right Wing Extremists have killed more Americans when compared Left Wing Extremists. Source
There have actually been more right wing attacks than Islamic attacks in the past two decades.Source
In terms of domestic terrorism resulting in fatalities over the last decade, the far right accounts for 71%, Islamic extremists account for 26%, and left wing accounts for 3%. Source It is FAR more likely for the right to commit acts of violence, despite what you may believe.
Every one of your sources equates White Supremacists with the political right. This is intentionally misleading.
White Supremacists are are Nazis and racists. Nazis are socialists. Socialism and racism are leftist principles.
Conservatives believe in freedom, personal responsibility and minimal government. None of these principles applies to White Supremacy. Ask an adult.
Wait, so you're saying the people committing violent acts may share some values but ultimately don't represent the entire political spectrum? I agree that those extremists do not represent you, that is the ultimate point I am trying to make. They represent you about as much as left wing extremists represent most liberals.
Freedom, personal responsibility, and minimal government? Maybe that is traditional conservatives, but not those that are currently in power in the Republican party. - Blowing up the deficit? Not small government. - Restricting state ability to enforce net neutrality? Not small government. - Restricting the right to vote of individual citizens? Not freedom. - Forcing women to go through a pregnancy even in the case of rape? Not personal responsibility OR freedom. - Continually starting wars in other countries? Not freedom. - Restricting access to marijuana? Not personal responsibility.
The list goes on.
You equate all liberals to wanting socialism and racism, which is not true. It is just the extremes that you read about and then paint us all with a broad brush.
Wait, so you're saying the people committing violent acts may share some values but ultimately don't represent the entire political spectrum?
No. I said nothing of the kind.
quote
I agree that those extremists do not represent you, that is the ultimate point I am trying to make. They represent you about as much as left wing extremists represent most liberals.
No. The point you tried to make was that the right is more deadly than the left. You failed.
quote
Freedom, personal responsibility, and minimal government? Maybe that is traditional conservatives, but not those that are currently in power in the Republican party.
Those are indeed traditional conservative values
quote
- Blowing up the deficit? Not small government.
More work needs to be done to get government spending under control. The task would be easier if the President did not have to constantly fight leftist obstruction on all fronts.
quote
- Restricting state ability to enforce net neutrality? Not small government.
Restricting the ability of the state to enforce something is exactly what small government means.
quote
- Restricting the right to vote of individual citizens? Not freedom.
You will have to show me an example where conservative values prevent a citizen from voting.
quote
- Forcing women to go through a pregnancy even in the case of rape? Not personal responsibility OR freedom.
Murder is not a right. Freedom does not include the freedom to kill.
quote
- Continually starting wars in other countries? Not freedom.
Some wars are to ensure freedom. You will have to be more specific.
quote
- Restricting access to marijuana? Not personal responsibility.
Not all conservatives agree on this issue.
quote
The list goes on.
Please continue.
quote
You equate all liberals to wanting socialism and racism, which is not true. It is just the extremes that you read about and then paint us all with a broad brush.
So, Bernie Sanders and Barak Obama are leftist extremists. On this, we agree.
I do not condone bombing, too impersonal and too many chances for collateral damage. If any of those folks were walking too close to a cliff, I may not say anything.
Wait, so you're saying the people committing violent acts may share some values but ultimately don't represent the entire political spectrum? I agree that those extremists do not represent you, that is the ultimate point I am trying to make. They represent you about as much as left wing extremists represent most liberals.
Freedom, personal responsibility, and minimal government? Maybe that is traditional conservatives, but not those that are currently in power in the Republican party. - Blowing up the deficit? Not small government. - Restricting state ability to enforce net neutrality? Not small government. - Restricting the right to vote of individual citizens? Not freedom. - Forcing women to go through a pregnancy even in the case of rape? Not personal responsibility OR freedom. - Continually starting wars in other countries? Not freedom. - Restricting access to marijuana? Not personal responsibility.
The list goes on.
You equate all liberals to wanting socialism and racism, which is not true. It is just the extremes that you read about and then paint us all with a broad brush.
Everything you listed above sounds exactly like liberals. Conservatives dont have anything to do with any of them. The current administration is doing the exact opposite of those you listed, and I expect the same for your ongoing list...
How about there is not enough postage for an envelope containing a steel pipe or whatever it was made of.
BINGO
Bulky or irregular, (lumpy), packages that cannot be machine processed and have to be hand cancelled are charged a surcharge by the USPS.
Additionally, irregular packages are charged $0.71 /oz. rate.
There is a total of $3.00 (un-cancelled) postage affixed to that package, which is insufficient to get it even moving from Miami Florida to New York, N.Y.
Since the days of the "Unibomber", Ted Kazinski, all USPS packages are routinely screened for explosives and energetic materials residue.
That obviously brings up a whole new set of questions since a similar packages were reported to be delivered BOTH in Florida and New York on the same day.
(It should also be noted that John Brennan works at MSNBC, and NOT at CNN, so that's 3 major discrepancies with the photo.)
[This message has been edited by randye (edited 10-24-2018).]
From the other thread on this subject, Blackrams said: Won't surprise me if a Liberal sent the bombs just to instigate and incite Dems to go to the polls Nov. 6th.
RogerGarrison agreed, expanding the thought that possibly Liberals sent them and that the bombs weren't intended to detonate so as not to harm their Democrat colleagues.
It's a possibility, of course. Not sure if I agree or disagree, but the NY Police Commissioner and an Ex-Marine Demolitions Expert in interviews with Fox News earlier this morning, both were of the opinion that the bombs weren't intended to detonate. The Marine suggested that though the bombs were capable of exploding, the trigger device had not been installed so that it would detonate when the packages were opened.
I only buy stamps with the American Flag. The last roll were identical to those on that package but I don't know if they had a dotted line across them. They definitely didn't have any price designation or Forever on them. The current roll I have is a slightly different flag image, but those stamps do have Forever on them. Recent mailings to the UK and Germany utilized stamps without a monetary designation on them, too.
The Commissioner said that with the undetonated packages, there was certainly enough evidence there that may lead to the sender(s). I have heard of stamps being lifted and fingerprints being pulled from the adhesive side. Similar to something forgotten by drive-by shooters where their thumb or fingerprint is left on the shell casing when they load the weapon.
Whatever the political leaning, these people need to be prosecuted without plea bargaining. Incidents of this nature coupled with political rhetoric could certainly put us into much more serious confrontations.
[This message has been edited by fierofool (edited 10-25-2018).]
Originally posted by Threedog: Left wing extremists attack Republicans/Right Wingers O/T: SEE HOW VIOLENT THEY ARE
Right wing extremists attack Democrats/Left Wingers O/T: Hmm, could it be a false flag? This probably didn't happen.
This is a false narrative that is often repeated on this forum. Right Wing Extremists have killed more Americans when compared Left Wing Extremists. Source
There have actually been more right wing attacks than Islamic attacks in the past two decades.Source
In terms of domestic terrorism resulting in fatalities over the last decade, the far right accounts for 71%, Islamic extremists account for 26%, and left wing accounts for 3%. Source It is FAR more likely for the right to commit acts of violence, despite what you may believe.
White Supremacist groups are traditionally Democrat based. They aren't "Right", and are very far from conservative.
The KKK, a Democrat organization. As a matter of fact, when I was a kid the Skinheads were very much against Republicans, because guess who free'd the slaves. The SkinHeads were more of the punk rockers of the racist groups, they tended to hate everyone, but they really hated Republicans.
Freedom, personal responsibility, and minimal government? Maybe that is traditional conservatives, but not those that are currently in power in the Republican party.
- Blowing up the deficit? Not small government. - Restricting state ability to enforce net neutrality? Not small government. - Restricting the right to vote of individual citizens? Not freedom. - Forcing women to go through a pregnancy even in the case of rape? Not personal responsibility OR freedom. - Continually starting wars in other countries? Not freedom. - Restricting access to marijuana? Not personal responsibility.
Oh, you are really misguided on this stuff man. I am not "hating", but your compass is a few degrees off.
quote
Originally posted by Threedog:
Wait, so you're saying the people committing violent acts may share some values but ultimately don't represent the entire political spectrum? I agree that those extremists do not represent you, that is the ultimate point I am trying to make. They represent you about as much as left wing extremists represent most liberals.
They don't share any values with Conservatives. Conservatives by their nature aren't looking for a fight, we want peace. That doesn't mean we aren't ready for a fight, or that we can't kick ass if needed. It just means Conservatives don't go out looking for a fight. (We don't send Bombs.)
quote
Freedom, personal responsibility, and minimal government? Maybe that is traditional conservatives, but not those that are currently in power in the Republican party. - Blowing up the deficit? Not small government.
- Restricting state ability to enforce net neutrality? Not small government.
Net Neutrality is a misnomer. It's actually Net Limiting, and takes away "freedom" from many people so that a few companies can make a lot of money.
quote
- Restricting the right to vote of individual citizens? Not freedom.
Who has had their right to vote restricted?
quote
- Forcing women to go through a pregnancy even in the case of rape? Not personal responsibility OR freedom.
We'd be willing to talk about this, but the Left wants to lump everything together. There is a difference between having sex with everyone you meet, and just killing the baby you make and having an abortion because of rape. But the left can't separate the two..
quote
- Continually starting wars in other countries? Not freedom.
- Restricting access to marijuana? Not personal responsibility.
Who's restricting access? We (republicans in Missouri) are pushing for Legalization on the next vote. We have been working with both sides to get it done.
The issue is that it needs to be a STATES RIGHT to decide, but certain past Presidents couldn't give up power enough to make that happen.
quote
The list goes on.
No it doesn't, or you would have kept writing it. You have nothing more than false stories where you either willingly presented false information, or were severely misinformed.
quote
You equate all liberals to wanting socialism and racism, which is not true. It is just the extremes that you read about and then paint us all with a broad brush.
Liberals are for the Government taking care of its people. That's Socialism buddy.
Liberals are the ones that separate everyone into a box based on their skin color, gender etc. That's racism.
I can even give examples. You, yes you believe that black people were mistreated by whites in the US from the beginning of the country, and until as recently as the 60's (Some go as far to say it continues to today.)
On a radio station in the twin cities this morning a delivery person called in and mentioned ways there is no way those packages made it through the mail.
Even myself I'm thinking, if you were going to stage this, wouldn't you be smarter about packaging?
A half dozen more similar 'bombs' were found overnite. Maxine got 2, NY governor, and other democrats...even one to Robert DeNiro (liberal). I still find it strange that out of a dozen or so of these found so far, not a single one has gone off. Even a totally inept bombmaker in high school should have had at least one actually go off. Im tending to believe more and more that it was staged by liberals. Even Fox news is considering that now.
[This message has been edited by rogergarrison (edited 10-25-2018).]
Can you spot 2 major things that are seriously wrong in this photo?
I wonder why the stamp on the lower left looks to be larger (wider) than the ones on the right. Measuring it on the screen (admittedly a very unscientific technique) confirms it is indeed wider. Maybe its closer to the camera? At this angle I don't think that would make much of a difference.
A half dozen more similar 'bombs' were found overnite. Maxine got 2, NY governor, and other democrats...even one to Robert DeNero (liberal). I still find it strange that out of a dozen or so of these found so far, not a single one has gone off. Even a totally inept bombmaker in high school should have had at least one actually go off. Im tending to believe more and more that it was staged by liberals. Even Fox news is considering that now.
I also find this odd:
1) they all arrived the same day, I have mailed items together before (several times) and they never arrive on the same day.
2) the PO missed all of them and they all got delivered, not one was tagged as suspicious.
3) The package at CNN clearly shows that it was opened, so how was the device suppose to have been triggered?
Of course if this indeed was real, then hopefully they catch to person responsible and that they are a deranged person and not simply some "fall guy".
3) The package at CNN clearly shows that it was opened, so how was the device suppose to have been triggered?
Of course, if this indeed was real, then hopefully they catch to the person responsible and that they are a deranged person and not simply some "fall guy".
3. The former demolitions expert said that the mechanism wasn't there to trigger the explosion when the packages were opened.
Whether it's a real attempt or a setup, whoever is responsible, all the way to the top if that's where it leads, should be prosecuted....as I said earlier, without plea bargaining.
They all seemed to have had some kind of digital timer. I dont know how a bomber could plan on what time it should go off. Police wont say, but there was some speculation on news shows, that the timers were not even connected. Some have also said there were no wires connected that would make them go off when opened. They couldnt have any kind of motion sensors or they would go off while being transported. So from what I can guess, they have to be set off by a timer, a wire contact or switch, or by remote control like a cell phone. None apparently had a phone attached. Any other kind of remote could only work if the bomber was near enough to know when to set them off, and they were all over the place, NY, Wash DC, LA, Fl... they couldnt set for days at any one location watching for it to be delivered.
Im really tending to go with fakes without anything else to go on. Democrats would be the only ones standing to gain anything, except for a lone psycho.
They all seemed to have had some kind of digital timer. I dont know how a bomber could plan on what time it should go off. Police wont say, but there was some speculation on news shows, that the timers were not even connected. Some have also said there were no wires connected that would make them go off when opened. They couldnt have any kind of motion sensors or they would go off while being transported. So from what I can guess, they have to be set off by a timer, a wire contact or switch, or by remote control like a cell phone. None apparently had a phone attached. Any other kind of remote could only work if the bomber was near enough to know when to set them off, and they were all over the place, NY, Wash DC, LA, Fl... they couldnt set for days at any one location watching for it to be delivered.
Im really tending to go with fakes without anything else to go on. Democrats would be the only ones standing to gain anything, except for a lone psycho.
The "timers" were nothing more than simple stick-on clocks readily available on Amazon. They have no alarm function. The "bombs" were fake.
Do typical conservatives line in old vans covered with bumper stickers?
Not sure about that.
Appears the FBI has a Right Wing Extremist (as described) in custody saying that he is a person of interest. Apparently he has not been charged as yet.
I don't remember you whining about that. 
