This is my weekend topic, but I nonetheless I have been thinking about this for some time.
I was doing some people watching and, not like it is something new, I noticed how large people have gotten. Not just people, but kids, and for the most part they are female.
If you are in your teens and already very heavy I cant imagine it's going to get better as you age.
Some cant fit in their cars, or even take a trip on a plane, because they cant fit in the seat.
Even more disturbing is it is so accepted. And, it is externalized to problems with the heath systems, since being so heavy, you need lots of good health care.
I'm older, but I still mow my own grass, I work on the Fiero (and that's a lot of exercise moving around), and I'm always moving around doing something. I cant imagine a life of sitting all the time.
Most of all I don't live to eat. I find people talking about food, obsessed with menus, and different places to eat.
Honestly, I think food has replaced sex, and people watching them make food on TV is like watching pornography.
I just don't see any end in sight for this.
They say the fall of the Roman empire began with gluttony where cooks were treated like celebrities, as people just feasted till they were nothing but dull sloths.
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I hope so. Fat shaming works wonders here in China. As a fat American I stand out like a sore thumb against these guys and girls. Even the slightest overweight girl is shunned by boys looking for girlfriends.
Obesity is a real problem, however the statistics are not 100% accurate because they use BMI. I'm obese or borderline according to it. Maybe my self awareness is too low to see it for what it is but I'm a man with muscle that could definitely lose a few pounds, however even of I looked like a Greek god again, I'd still be overweight according to BMI.
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Yeah, if you are really working, like physical labor and burning the calories, you then need three meals a day.
I think they need to reevaluate nutrition and look closely at lifestyle. Kids today are not moving around as much and don't need as much food. Adults more so.
I think we need to move to two meals a day. Eat in the morning and then toward the evening. That's it.
Yeah, if you are really working, like physical labor and burning the calories, you then need three meals a day.
I think they need to reevaluate nutrition and look closely at lifestyle. Kids today are not moving around as much and don't need as much food. Adults more so.
I think we need to move to two meals a day. Eat in the morning and then toward the evening. That's it.
Going to disagree. More 5-7 small meals. Like topping off a lithium battery.
It seems a lot of people eat for entertainment. I can understand wanting your food to taste good. But IMO, when food becomes one of your main sources of entertainment, you're doing something wrong.
6'3" 212 lbs. 32-34 waist depending on brand. Don't care too much about the lbs, but losing definition in my stomach. Don't ride as much as I used too and getting older
But, that's self imposed. I mean really not having anything to eat.
Absolutely not self imposed. I mean really having nothing to eat at all and ending up in a hospital. I mean less than homeless. Not trying to be an azz here, but I never got my cup of white privilege. Not much more than a drop even.
Eh, I lived a very difficult childhood. Extreme even. I know that I am not the only one in the World to suffer. I am not truly over it, but all of it makes me address things in life with an understanding. One that many misunderstand.
I have "worked out" in some way or another since I was 16 years old.
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Originally posted by RotrexFiero:
Okay, lets be honest.
How many of you are eating something right now while you are on the forum?
Just finished a rib-eye with garlic and sugar pan fried onions. I ate about 10 oz of meat. Got lunch in a container tomorrow.
Currently eating a half of a loaf of baked French bread. Bought it at the deli 3 hours ago. Still warmish.
I generally eat around 3,000 to 3,500 calories a day. I do not drink, smoke, or do drugs. I eat all day long, but not big meals. I do not gorge. A half of a loaf of bread is not gorging for me.
It doesn't seem to have caught on up here; most people aren't over-weight, just the usual 1 in 10 or so. It's what stands out when I watch American TV that shows the public/crowds...they're almost all very over-weight. Catches me off guard each time. It's not remotely subtle, either.
6'3" 212 lbs. 32-34 waist depending on brand. Don't care too much about the lbs, but losing definition in my stomach. Don't ride as much as I used too and getting older
6-2 and a fat-ass..er, I mean shooting for getting to 190 again.
Dont ride at all anymore, last time Diane hauled me out of a hospital the doc told her next time she woud be pulling me out of a coffin. Somehow it sunk in and shooting for that 8 second buckle stopped being so important.
I still play SOME games, though
I blame dad...some farmer-horse gy from Denmark. About 3 or 4 ears old he plopped me on the back of this pony and said now you figure it out.
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On the serious side, the medical profession began to follow a mandate to address obesity with all patients, especially children. But then their was this huge push back. As one person said, "Fat Shaming".
I think the attitude was, "How dare you!!"
And, then came the rationalization similar to other issues, that being heavy or even clinically obese was a chosen lifestyle. "I like food, and it is the one vice I have and I feel okay with the way I look and if you don't like it too bad", and of course a big round of applause from the audience.
In short, I think this is were we are at now.
Just in the news there was a very obese women taking up more than her share of a seat on an airplane. She was reported by the other women, and of course she was offended because, "This is me". I mean if you have luggage or a bag (and they dimensionally check those things before you board the plane) that doesn't fit it has to go in storage. Do they need to have one for passengers?
This is a huge issue. It's a growing problem. Back to the comical side.
6'3, 185 lb, 66 years old, 33" waist, solid muscle. Diet is mostly protein, complex carbs, fruit. No sugar or high fructose corn syrup. Physical labor most days.
High fructose corn syrup and refined sugar should be controlled substances.
6'3, 185 lb, 66 years old, 33" waist, solid muscle. Diet is mostly protein, complex carbs, fruit. No sugar or high fructose corn syrup. Physical labor most days.
High fructose corn syrup and refined sugar should be controlled substances.
Ya wanna talk food poison...NONE of that artificial sweetener stuff.
My body can tlle, and one stick of gum or one candy and I am literally pizzin out the azz with stomach cramps that make punch a welcome relef.
No way. I drink my cofffee black, rarely have a coke (got 3 cans been sitting in the fridge forever) and for a cold drink, always got a pitcher of ice-tea on hand. No sugar in that either.
On the serious side, the medical profession began to follow a mandate to address obesity with all patients, especially children. But then their was this huge push back. As one person said, "Fat Shaming".
I think the attitude was, "How dare you!!"
And, then came the rationalization similar to other issues, that being heavy or even clinically obese was a chosen lifestyle. "I like food, and it is the one vice I have and I feel okay with the way I look and if you don't like it too bad", and of course a big round of applause from the audience.
In short, I think this is were we are at now.
Just in the news there was a very obese women taking up more than her share of a seat on an airplane. She was reported by the other women, and of course she was offended because, "This is me". I mean if you have luggage or a bag (and they dimensionally check those things before you board the plane) that doesn't fit it has to go in storage. Do they need to have one for passengers?
This is a huge issue. It's a growing problem. Back to the comical side.
Kevin Smith, Jay and Silebt Bob, flipped after he was made to purchase 2 tickets. I really think charging by weight on a plane is the way it should go. If that seat is nore filled thatis less cargo they can haul commercially.
I understand the being happy with yourself, but we really shouldn't encourage and normalize unhealthy habits There is a chat app for local people. I have a theory any girl who uses a s/n of princess, queen, or goddess is overweight. No matter what they post I ask how much they weigh. Not everyone answers, but the majority are obese. I watch their other postmany times to see the evidence. Not that I care what these girls look like.
My wife since being sick has packedon some pounds. Being she was int 5' 100lbs aby weight a is a lot for her. I can change 5l-10bs from morning to night, but that's 10% of her total mass.
I've packed on a TON since I quit alcohol last year, but I still won't go to buffets. I can't deal with that type of clientele. You guys know the ones. Never have been much a fan of them anyway outside of Chinese food.
I definitely think that the rapid advancement of tech over the past decade has also had massive ramifications on the obesity rates, especially children. Today was a beautiful day and I drove past a playground and I commented to my friend how sad it is that no one was playing on it. All the kids were probably playing video games and eating pizza instead.
I definitely think that the rapid advancement of tech over the past decade has also had massive ramifications on the obesity rates, especially children. Today was a beautiful day and I drove past a playground and I commented to my friend how sad it is that no one was playing on it. All the kids were probably playing video games and eating pizza instead.
It was 80s here. I took my doggiesfor a walk. 3 separate walks. 1 kid outside and she was doing some kind of cleaning chore. Few adults also. One hair a pair of Danes.
In general, I agree, but don't read too much into the playground thing. Playgrounds are not safe places. The equipment isn't safe, the patrons aren't safe, and the grounds aren't safe. Even the grills aren't safe to use without a complete cleaning. Lately, I've taken to removing items from the picnic tables.
There are lots of walking trails, but they're infested with people who have money and an agenda, but not an apparent job.
I don't know where you live, but there is 1 huge public park abd at least 2 smaller community parks that are walking distance from my house. I have never read report of any of those happenings. I only go to the large one, but it always has people. I don't really see much in the way of kids playing unless it's an adult organized situation.
My kid knows exactly 0 other kids in our neighborhood. My buddy and his 3 kids same thing. On the converse a friend lives in a neighborhood that has a pool for residents and you can't go without being over ran. We all live within 1-2 miles of each other.
A buddy has 2 girls (8 and 12) ad holee-cheerit, those 2 cry and get offended or scared at the drop of a hat. They cant go outside, because the whole world scares and offends them
Old man is a nice guy, but DAMN I dunno how he puts up with it. Grin-and-bear only goes so far. Being around them is like walking on eggshells. Ya never know whats going to set them off.
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I believe it comes down to self discipline. Some have it, and some do not. I applaud those that take care of themselves.
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On the talk of outdoors exercise and the difficulties that can happen...
I/we bike a lot. We have some amazing bike trails, the Centennial Trail, and just a large amount of biking abilities here in the Inland Northwest. EVERY trail that I have ever been on has it's share of low lifes, meth heads, and garbage humans spread throughout them. EVERY time I ride I am armed. The worst part about this beautiful area is the extreme amount of meth and heroin that spills over into the community. I will not allow it to harm us.
My kid knows exactly 0 other kids in our neighborhood. My buddy and his 3 kids same thing. On the converse a friend lives in a neighborhood that has a pool for residents and you can't go without being over ran. We all live within 1-2 miles of each other.
Mine knows everybody. From an early age he knows just who is safe, and who to ****ing avoid. He was taught to wave to neighbors, say thank you, and all that is involved. I have no plans on failing.
Originally posted by Tony Kania: Mine knows everybody. From an early age he knows just who is safe, and who to ****ing avoid. He was taught to wave to neighbors, say thank you, and all that is involved. I have no plans on failing.
In her defense, I don't know the names on any of my neighbors. I am a big fan of everyone minding their business. The only one I even remotely spoke to died on his front porch last year.
I wish kids weren't this way, but that is life. Ours is 15 and given that she isn't mine I was not in the fathering capacity the beginning years. Jenny and I are super outgoing and she unfortunately isn't a make a friend everywhere kid. She has friends and is friendly, just not like us. Which isn't to say is the best thing in the world that we are. I gave a stranger a ride to work just last week, I don't want her doing that crap.
Back on subject. I think the culture of food mixed with always on demand content has really taken a toll. As someone said glorifying chefs. Then you throw in that you can watch, listen, or read anything you want 24/7. Throw in things where people don't have to be responsible for their own trips commuting. Taxis, uBer, subways, buses, and the fact that kids don't drive. I bought mine a shooter when she turned 14. Paid for the MSF and private classes. She hasn't even bothered to go get the license and will be 15 in less than 30 days. Jenny is her personal chauffeur. She even takes her to/from school which pisses me off like you can't know given the bus stop is less than 500' from our front door. I take the doggies on 3 separate 1 mile walks and I am the only one who goes.
Eating out is just awful. I was traveling looking at properties yesterday. We ate at a diner and a pizza when we got home. Around $60 spent on food and at least 10,000 calories worth of crap. I'd bet closer to 20,000. Energy drinks and soda. Soda is ALWAYS combined in combo meals to save money. Soda is less than $1 per 2 liter. That is grotesquely cheap. I hate bottled water, but I am a victim of this scam too, but still more expensive than soda. When someone says they don't like water though, I lose my goose. Even when people cook food all kinds of crap is boxed and prepared. I made enchiladas the other night and Jenny grabbed enchilada sauce. What in the actual hell? $3 a can and I need 2 cans. It is like 4 ingredients. Broth, cumin, tomato (paste), red pepper, chili powder. The sugar and salt in the canned stuff were huge. It is immensely cheaper to buy boxed things than make it quite often. Mac and cheese, while not good for you...cheap stuff under $1 for all ingredients. Shells and cheese under $2 for all ingredients. Homemade? $1 for pasta. $4/lb a cheese minimum. Milk $2 half gallon. This is the trend with everything. Not to mention the time involved. I just saw some premade BBQ for $3/lb. You can heat them up at your leisure. I can hardly buy the meat for that cost. I am making a lasagna right now. I could buy a 6+lb Stoufers for $10-12 and toss it in the oven, but then comes all the extra crap. Instead I am spending 3-4 hours on a sauce and at least 2-3 times the cost on the ingredients. It isn't a wonder why people are fat. Eating crap ass food is cheaper and easier.
I started a book the other day "Obesity Code". I didn't get a chance to finish it before it was due back. It was a recommendation and I really enjoyed what I had gotten out of it and will be checking it out again with more gusto to finish. It was getting into the calories in calories out notion and that it may not be all that simple. This makes sense to me. It takes a TON of celery to get 2000 calories. 11 stalks of celery is about a pound and would offer you less than 40 calories. I think calorie density and volume of food have a lot to do with our weight gains.
Wish I knew the secret, I'd get rich quick selling it.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania: I was not finger pointing. Internets and such.
I didn't take offense. I've been a part of her life forever, but the father capacity not quite a decade. She once came and told on my little niece when we took them to the zoo because she had made friends with other kids and wasn't talking to her while they were playing. Fast forward and she is much better now. She lives with us full time and as I said we are outgoing. I constantly try to embarrass her and other things to get her out of her comfort zone. I hope she finds a good line between normal and her mom/me. If only she'd get our work ethics.
We may be slowly approaching the danger of them taxing us into health.
Whats interesting is if you look at the ingredients in a lot of the pre-packaged or prepared foods that many people think are "healthy". Wheat and sugar / corn syrup and powdered vitamins seem to be the majority of a lot of things.
People eat things that say no sugar, or low calories. That doesn't mean it has anything beneficial to you.
There are also studies that show people who drink diet soda, or use artificial sweeteners in general actually have their metabolism affected negatively. I've also seen that is causes cravings for real sugar.
A little news blurb:
Its amazing how many people I know that look at the can ans see, oh no sugar, no calories, "ah it taste good and its lke comsuming nothing".
Good thing for me artificial sugar tastes gross. Even Stevia.
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I mean less than homeless. Not trying to be an azz here, but I never got my cup of white privilege. Not much more than a drop even. 
