I just referred to it as a "gold-plated" toilet. It's described in the Washington Examiner as an "18-karat solid gold toilet." I don't know about that. According to the online calculator that I used, if the toilet were actually 18-karat gold through and through, and not just gold-plated, and if it only weighed 10 pounds--has to weigh considerably more than just 10 pounds, I would think--it would contain almost $137,000 USD worth of gold at the current price that I looked up, of $1249.55 per Troy Ounce of gold.
The Trumps asked the Guggenheim to borrow a Van Gogh. They were offered a golden toilet instead. Tristan Justice for the Washington Examiner; January 25, 2018.
President Trump and first lady Melania requested to borrow a painting by Vincent Van Gogh from the Guggenheim Museum for their private living quarters in the White House, but instead the museum offered an 18-karat solid gold toilet that is fully functional.
The Washington Post reports the toilet spent a year in the Guggenheim’s exhibit “America,” by the contemporary Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan and was installed for the public to use on the fifth floor of the museum until September of last year.
Now that the exhibit is over, Nancy Spector, the museum’s chief curator, told the Post the artist “would like to offer it to the White house for a long-term loan.”
Known to be a satirical and provocative artist, Maurizio Cattelan has told reporters he leaves the interpretation of his work to his audience, but described the toilet "as 1 percent art for the 99 percent." (Washington Examiner.)
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Originally posted by dennis_6: Glad in the age of the memo and disappearing text, the left never loses sight of what truly matters.
I believe you are referring to the text messages that went missing, that were exchanged between the two FBI agents. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page (no longer with the FBI.) The messages from December 2016 to March 2017, if I remember it accurately.
Those text messages have now been recovered. Went missing because of a software issue. The FBI's IT specialists have restored the text messages that went missing. Text messages from many other federal employees also went missing because of the same software issue. Not just from the two FBI agents.
So say the news reports that I have seen today.
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Somewhere in Richard Brautigan's "A Confederate General from Big Sur" there's a sentence that still lingers in my memory, even though it's been many years. I can't remember how the sentence begins, but it ends with "a monument to a good s***house gone under." It was a reference to an outhouse that had been submerged by a flooding or expanding river. Only the very top of the outhouse was still visible above the water.
Presidents, judges, even political parties come to an end. But a gold-plated toilet? With just a modicum of care, "America"--the toilet slash exhibition has been given that name--could be gettin' azz all the way to year 2100 and beyond. And when I said "gold-plated", I may well have underestimated it. I've got a web page that describes it as a "fully functional replica cast in 18-carat gold." Unless my calculations went astray (my very first post here), or I am way off in Left Field about how much it weighs, this looks to me like a Million Dollar crapper. If not that, then a Half Million Dollar's worth of toilet, or something in that neighborhood.
I hope the restroom where it resides inside the Guggenheim Museum's New York City location is well protected.
I guess some people just don't appreciate art.
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One of the restrooms in Branson (Shoji Tabuchi Theatre) is quite the attraction because of it's ornate fixtures.
If that toilet were installed in a White House restroom located on the tour, I predict it would be wildly popular.
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Been there. The place had a full pool hall in the restroom, and crushed ice in the urinals. Everything was overdone and expensive. Fun place to hang out, but I always had more fun at the more laid back places around there.
Been there. The place had a full pool hall in the restroom, and crushed ice in the urinals. Everything was overdone and expensive. Fun place to hang out, but I always had more fun at the more laid back places around there.
LMAO !!
Many-Many years ago, I got myself mix-up in a business who's product was urinal stickers. Not just ANY sticker, but faces for politicians, celebrates, ect. with target rings overlaid.
Not a bad idea, but you can guess how far we got before the legal types told us in no uncertain terms "You no can be do dat in Canada"
One of the Men's Rooms at the Madonna Inn (a place I visited recently) in San Luis Obispo has sinks that look like giant clamshells and a urinal that is designed to create a Stone Age ambience for those with a need.
One of the Men's Rooms at the Madonna Inn (a place I visited recently) in San Luis Obispo has sinks that look like giant clamshells and a urinal that is designed to create a Stone Age ambience for those with a need.
Ronald has a fantasy that he is an "intellectual" and everyone else here is not quite able to understand his imagined level of "sophistication".
That arrogance born of faux-intellectualism is endemic with leftists.
It is symptom of Narcissism. Narcissist do tend to be well versed, as that is almost a requirement to manipulate. In a manner Rinselberg is a intellectual. If we adopt the definition of a person who values ideas over people. Particularly his ideas.
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....The cerebral narcissist, on the other hand, seeks to captivate and mesmerize his target with a brainy fireworks display–gaining his worth from his intellectual abilities and achievements. His mind is the source of his vanity. He or she would much rather acquire obscure information, use big, complicated words, and write long, drawn out dissertations on their “ground-breaking ideas”. They don’t usually draw attention to themselves, preferring to go into full character by withdrawing from society; going out in public only occasionally…to remind the lowly human race of their deific existence.
Cerebral narcissists will try to impress others by their scholarly intelligence and command of the language, which is used not only to impress, but also to destroy anyone who questions them. They are convinced that they are unique and should only associate with other special or high-status individuals. In fact, when confronted with anything that contradicts their sense of god-like stature, you can bet that their reaction will be explosive and malicious.
Contempt is shown for those they deem inferior. When this narcissist experiences a loss of admiration they will become emotionally and/or verbally abusive. Their verbal sharpness is such that one is left staggering in the aftermath. In spite of these injurious traits, such a person can be charming and exhibit behaviors widely admired in society. There can be the ‘appearance’ of a genuine sense of benevolence towards others–though they’re not sincere in nature. https://letmereach.com/2015...issist-a-portrait-2/
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It is symptom of Narcissism. Narcissist do tend to be well versed, as that is almost a requirement to manipulate. In a manner Rinselberg is a intellectual. If we adopt the definition of a person who values ideas over people. Particularly his ideas.
I think I have said this before, Ronald is not a bad person, he is a nice guy, he probably just likes to see people of a different political persuasion get stirred up so easily over his deliberate and targeted responses. And people fall for it every time.
I think I have said this before, Ronald is not a bad person, he is a nice guy, he probably just likes to see people of a different political persuasion get stirred up so easily over his deliberate and targeted responses. And people fall for it every time.
I could be way off, but see the article snippet I added to my post. I have dealt with narcissist in the past. Rinse sets off red flags for me.
I could be way off, but see the article snippet I added to my post. I have dealt with narcissist in the past. Rinse sets off red flags for me.
It can be hard to respectfully dissagree with people on the Internet, given it's inherent communication limitations, especially when a perceived character conclusion has been established. But I think that a few respectful replies and or PMs could help. Or you can do what I and others do, and that is just skip over his posts. I don't even know what he says (I skip over his posts), but I see how others predictably respond.
It can be hard to respectfully dissagree with people on the Internet, given it's inherent communication limitations, especially when a perceived character conclusion has been established. But I think that a few respectful replies and or PMs could help. Or you can do what I and others do, and that is just skip over his posts. I don't even know what he says (I skip over his posts), but I see how others predictably respond.
While a lot of us recognize Rinselberg is setting "traps". Letting certain assertions stand is a danger also. People on the fence will often accept unchallenged views and then we end up with the dystopian state we currently have.
Once again, I hope you are correct and I am mistaken. I am not a psychologist and I only have personal experiences and research to go by.
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While a lot of us recognize Rinselberg is setting "traps". Letting certain assertions stand is a danger also. People on the fence will often accept unchallenged views and then we end up with the dystopian state we currently have.
Nobody is laughing *with* you. They're laughing AT you.
Actually i believe you got that wrong. What he says isn't the joke or the punchline. Its that all of you get so easily triggered by his posts, that's the punchline. Y'all's responses are pretty funny sometimes.
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Actually i believe you got that wrong. What he says isn't the joke or the punchline. Its that all of you get so easily triggered by his posts, that's the punchline. Y'all's responses are pretty funny sometimes.
I don't speak leftie. What does "triggered" mean?
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I am not here to defend or otherwise elaborate on the artistic worth of this exhibit. I am not here to say either good or bad about Nancy Spector, who by all reports, is the curator at the Guggenheim who responded to the Trumps' request for the loan of a particular painting by Vincent Van Gogh for the wall of one of their White House bedrooms with (in so many words) "Negative on the Van Gogh, but you can have temporary custody of this golden toilet instead."
It's all about the toilet.
Here's what I have gleaned from some other reporting.
The fully functional toilet, plumbed into a single-stall, gender-neutral restroom in New York City's Guggenheim Museum, has already accommodated many who were in need, and others (likely) who just wanted to see it. Maybe even give it a "dry run."
It was not created with any ordinary metal and gold plating. It was cast through and through from 18-karat gold. According to a report in Time Magazine, it's valued at more than $1 Million USD. That echoes a blog post on the Guggenheim's 'dot org' website, where it is said to have been crafted from "millions of dollars' worth of gold."
I think this photograph, from the Guggenheim's 'dot org' website, gives it a better look than the other photo that I posted at the very top of this forum page, but as to which of the two photographs is truer to its actual appearance--the color reflected by the 18-karat gold--I dunno. I think maybe this one.
Which is why the very first word in the title that you wrote for this thread is "Trumps"
You're the artist here Ronald.....a common bullsh*t artist.
A master of the magnification of meaningless minutiae.
You haven't provided a single shred of independent evidence that the White House or the President actually made a request to the museum to begin with.
You didn't stop for a moment to consider that the only thing you have is a copy of a one sided email written by another sh*t for brains leftist that hates Trump and your own childlike willingness to believe that it's all true, because you want it to be.
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The 18-karat gold toilet, valued at over $1 million USD for the gold content alone, was cast using the Lost Wax method. Associated Press
The Guggenheim's chief curator, Nancy Spector, included a photo image of the toilet in the email that she sent to the White House. Time
Stuart Varney has some critical remarks about the Guggenheim and its chief curator, Nancy Spector. Fox Business News
The previous online message, from another Pennock's online forum member, raises an interesting question, indeed. How do we come to believe? It's not an opportune time for me to entertain this question. If there are answers to be discovered, they may be encountered along a metaphysical highway, between the exits that are signed as Epistemology and Ontology.
Or not.
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The previous online message, from another Pennock's online forum member, raises an interesting question, indeed. How do we come to believe? It's not an opportune time for me to entertain this question. If there are answers to be discovered, they may be encountered along a metaphysical highway, between the exits that are signed as Epistemology and Ontology.
You will never reach either of those highway "exits" Ronald.
You're content just living behind a dumpster at the Fantasy & Delusion Truck Stop.
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I have to ask, does anyone even care what one artist thinks??? I mean really??????? Some must. Of course they are the ones who always seek out the negative and build on that. And yet seldom recognize the positive that is out there.
What was it that some would say back during the Obama administration? Haters are gonna hate or something like that.
Rams
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I have to ask, does anyone even care what one artist thinks??? I mean really??????? Some must. Of course they are the ones who always seek out the negative and build on that. And yet seldom recognize the positive that is out there.
What was it that some would say back during the Obama administration? Haters are gonna hate or something like that.
Rams
True this. I saw the toilet and instantly thought " why go through the trouble of making a common public subway toilet look like gold?". This entire subject reeks with fake story.
The Guggenheim offered the White House to display "America," a 18-karat, gold toilet that has been touted as anti-Trump art. (Reuters/AP)
The Guggenheim museum in New York City recently rejected a request to display Van Gogh’s 1888 work “Landscape With Snow” in the residence of the White House (WikiArt)
Guggenheim curator Nancy Spector is a Trump foe who has spoken out against the president. (Instagram)
Alex Pappas is a politics reporter at FoxNews(.com). Follow him on Twitter at @AlexPappas.
