Had a letter arrive in the mail today informing I had been identified as having property that overlies federal coal deposits within the BLM Resource Management Planning Area for the OKT (Okla & Tx) Joint EIS/BLM RMP and BIA IRMP and a questionnaire was included regarding whether I would approve or disapprove of 'mining by other than underground mining techniques (i.e.,surface coal mining.) Both my sisters and a couple of my neighbors got one as well. ******* govt, it's slimy burrowrats and their lackeys and suckasses all need to go fornicate themselves.
On top of that, the 'required' reply date was Jan 9 2018 and it just arrived today. figures.
8 pages! At least all those trees you cut down went to good use.
To be clear, it's only a cover and 4 sheets of paper. They printed on both sides of each tho, making up 4 pgs.
I have not gotten a good answer on how the govt thinks it owns the mineral rights below surface. My deed says I own all the rights except a small parcel upon which my sister owns them. Gonna have to look in to this farther. I don't want them on my land no way no how and neither does anyone else around here.
To be clear, it's only a cover and 4 sheets of paper. They printed on both sides of each tho, making up 4 pgs.
I have not gotten a good answer on how the govt thinks it owns the mineral rights below surface. My deed says I own all the rights except a small parcel upon which my sister owns them. Gonna have to look in to this farther. I don't want them on my land no way no how and neither does anyone else around here.
Bet they never heard that before in TEXAS lol. Good luck
To be clear, it's only a cover and 4 sheets of paper. They printed on both sides of each tho, making up 4 pgs.
I have not gotten a good answer on how the govt thinks it owns the mineral rights below surface. My deed says I own all the rights except a small parcel upon which my sister owns them. Gonna have to look in to this farther. I don't want them on my land no way no how and neither does anyone else around here.
You'd have to look at the deed to the property. I purchased some land a few years ago in Okeechobee County, Florida. It was originally a firing range for WW2 bombers back in the 1940s, and then through most of the 60s and 70s was used as a grazing cow pasture for McArthur Farms. I got it back in 2007.
Anyway... the land's mineral rights are very often separate from the actual land deed. In some cases, you can actually buy mineral rights to someone else's land. If you go in eBay, you'll see people selling mineral rights to property that someone is already living on, and that individual may not have even the slightest clue that the mineral rights to his land is up for sale.
So I suspect that at some point when you or your family bought the land, it likely didn't include the mineral rights.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You'd have to look at the deed to the property. I purchased some land a few years ago in Okeechobee County, Florida. It was originally a firing range for WW2 bombers back in the 1940s, and then through most of the 60s and 70s was used as a grazing cow pasture for McArthur Farms. I got it back in 2007.
Anyway... the land's mineral rights are very often separate from the actual land deed. In some cases, you can actually buy mineral rights to someone else's land. If you go in eBay, you'll see people selling mineral rights to property that someone is already living on, and that individual may not have even the slightest clue that the mineral rights to his land is up for sale.
So I suspect that at some point when you or your family bought the land, it likely didn't include the mineral rights.
Around this area of California, mineral rights belong to an Indian Tribe. Does not matter how much you pay for the "land", what you accually own is decided by lawyers when something of significant value is found.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You'd have to look at the deed to the property. I purchased some land a few years ago in Okeechobee County, Florida. It was originally a firing range for WW2 bombers back in the 1940s, and then through most of the 60s and 70s was used as a grazing cow pasture for McArthur Farms. I got it back in 2007.
Anyway... the land's mineral rights are very often separate from the actual land deed. In some cases, you can actually buy mineral rights to someone else's land. If you go in eBay, you'll see people selling mineral rights to property that someone is already living on, and that individual may not have even the slightest clue that the mineral rights to his land is up for sale.
So I suspect that at some point when you or your family bought the land, it likely didn't include the mineral rights.
No, I've a copy of deeds going back for decades. I own all the mineral rights outright on one part of the survey and own 1/2 the min rights on another..my sister owns the other 1/2 of that one. Up until 2 years ago, I had a lease contract with an oil company for oil and gas rights but that contract has now lapsed--they never drilled on any of the lease..my property or anyone else's.
I'm well acquainted with the practice of holding on to min rights when you sell the physical property and then selling those rights later as well.
This is something different and it's something specific to coal..probably lignite and specific to the National Forest which butts up against my property and that of my 2 sisters.
And from what I read elsewhere, the letters are only being sent to landowners who actually live on their property and/or derive significant parts of their income from that property. 17,000 of these letters were sent out to Texas, Okla, and Kansas landowners in generic looking envelopes, and I almost threw mine away because it looked like one more piece of junk mail;
Originally posted by maryjane: And from what I read elsewhere, the letters are only being sent to landowners who actually live on their property and/or derive significant parts of their income from that property. 17,000 of these letters were sent out to Texas, Okla, and Kansas landowners in generic looking envelopes, and I almost threw mine away because it looked like one more piece of junk mail;
Pawelek added the survey is part of the overall development of the BLM’s Resource Management Plan to create a map of possible acreage and mining locations. “We want to know the potential availability for mining in the future,” Pawelek said. “As part of our Resource Development Plan, we are required to have data in our appendix to show future development opportunities.”
Not to suggest this wouldn't get my attention nor to suggest that I would not appreciate any such consideration, just receiving such mail would probably piss me off just as it appears Don is. But, it is just a survey per the linked article. Seeking potential sites.
What would really piss me off is the deadline to respond and the "plain" envelope that did not indicate who it was from and it's potential importance. While I do understand that marketing companies put out their crap with such things as "Immediate Response" required and things like that. Government mail should be distinctive. Having such a short deadline is pure hopefully there will be enough public uproar of the manner this was done that it be repeated with a more realistic deadline for returning the survey.
I would also question past practice of the government doing such things. This is definitely a battle worth fighting.
Rams
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No, I've a copy of deeds going back for decades. I own all the mineral rights outright on one part of the survey and own 1/2 the min rights on another..my sister owns the other 1/2 of that one. Up until 2 years ago, I had a lease contract with an oil company for oil and gas rights but that contract has now lapsed--they never drilled on any of the lease..my property or anyone else's.
I'm well acquainted with the practice of holding on to min rights when you sell the physical property and then selling those rights later as well.
This is something different and it's something specific to coal..probably lignite and specific to the National Forest which butts up against my property and that of my 2 sisters.
And from what I read elsewhere, the letters are only being sent to landowners who actually live on their property and/or derive significant parts of their income from that property. 17,000 of these letters were sent out to Texas, Okla, and Kansas landowners in generic looking envelopes, and I almost threw mine away because it looked like one more piece of junk mail;
Best of luck. Id contact a news agency if anything more develops. Id be willing to sell them some property they claim or lease access to it and get a percentage of what they make off it. Since more than one person got the notices, maybe theyre just sending them out at random to see who they can intimidate into giving it to them with no resistance.
hopefully there will be enough public uproar of the manner this was done that it be repeated with a more realistic deadline for returning the survey.
