Amid speculation that the secret "Zuma" satellite mission has already ended in failure, SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell (how about that name?) said this:
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For clarity: after review of all data to date, [the SpaceX] Falcon 9 [launch to orbit system] did everything correctly on Sunday night. If we or others find otherwise based on further review, we will report it immediately. Information published that is contrary to this statement is categorically false.
Did SpaceX’s secret Zuma mission actually fail? Conflicting reports say the satellite fell out of the sky
Maybe the mission was to go up and push a Russian spy satellite down. Making it look like one of our own fell? Hopefully it was the one that they used to steal the election from clinton. Trump just smashed a phone and wiped a sever Trump style. LOL
SpaceX had previously (Nov 2017) postponed the launch over concerns that the satellite builder's fairing (Northrop Grumman) presented problems.
SpaceX equipment according to current reports, all performed exactly as they were supposed to.
(OTOH, this whole thing may be a ruse to make "someone(s) believe the payload isn't up there, when in actuality it may well be)
This is interesting because I was under the impression that we have the technology to count and track exactly how many satellites are out there and their exact trajectory? If this was a "C"lassified (I emphasized the C for the clinton liberals who think C on sensitive Government documents is a page# ) mission, wouldn't it make sense that the Worlds Governments, friends or foes would pay close attention? How could they be so easily deceived? And why would they do this to fool the general public?
This is interesting because I was under the impression that we have the technology to count and track exactly how many satellites are out there and their exact trajectory? If this was a "C"lassified (I emphasized the C for the clinton liberals who think C on sensitive Government documents is a page# ) mission, wouldn't it make sense that the Worlds Governments, friends or foes would pay close attention? How could they be so easily deceived? And why would they do this to fool the general public?
'We' (as well as others) do have that ability, and the entity (US govt agency) tasked with that tracking has not yet updated whether a new satellite is orbiting. Inasmuch as the mission for this device is classified, no one outside the govt knows what it does, but we do know that our govt uses it's space assets to track and keep tabs on far more than just unfriendly foreign targets. I'm sure tho, that Obama's former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper would assure us all that 'you have nothing to worry about..we don't collect data or spy on US citizens'.
I'm sure tho, that Obama's former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper would assure us all that 'you have nothing to worry about..we don't collect data or spy on US citizens'.
The days of trusting our government officials at their word is (sadly) long gone.
I guess you may be correct, I do believe that many of them are just regular people like you and I who have no malicious intent. I also believe that America is still the best County on Earth. And to prevent further decay, "the people" need to stay engaged in the political process.
I was reading about this earlier... of course, we can only speculate and know only want we're told; however, I doubt very seriously that it was intentional or a "smoke screen" of failure so to speak. Failure is rarely a tactic that we've ever seen used in Government. ... largely because of the perception it gives about our capabilities.
I would believe that in fact it did probably fail, but it sounds like maybe it was the Northrup Grumman part (Zuma) that failed, rather than the Falcon rocket. They've had something like 44+ successful launches with like 3 failures, not sure what that comes out to... but that's at least a 94% success rate if I'm doing the math in my head right. They've been doing this since 2010... so they're not new to it.
I'm trying to not let my love of Space-X cloud my judgement, but I suspect that if there was a failure, it was probably Northrup Grumman.
ABC is reporting a govt official as stating the satellite fell in the Indian Ocean after deployment.
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A highly classified satellite launched by SpaceX this weekend ended up plummeting into the Indian Ocean, a U.S. official confirmed to ABC News. Following its launch from Florida's Cape Canaveral Sunday night, the satellite, codenamed Zuma, failed to remain in orbit, the official said.
Maybe I'm reading too much into the statement, but to me, it strongly infers the payload was in fact released from SpaceX's Falcon but for whatever reason Zuma itself failed to remain in orbital status. Brings up more ? than answers tho.
Biggest of all is whether the 2nd stage of the rocket actually reached orbit 'altitude' before that 2nd stage itself began it's de-orbit burn which usually puts that 2nd stage into the Indian Ocean too. Some SpaceX missions tho, the 2nd stage stays in orbit for several months until orbit decays on it's own. Depends what orbit altitude design was. Low Earth Orbit/Polar or GEO..and we don't know exactly what orbit this device was intended to be in.
To confuse matters further, the Falcon 9’s first stage was able to successfully land back on Earth, indicating that the rocket was still fully operational.
Even more so, the US Strategic Command added an entry to its Space-Track catalog of artificial objects orbiting the planet, indicating that the new satellite was able to make at least one orbit. That was before another confusing piece was added: their spokesman Navy Captain Brook DeWalt stated that Strategic Command had “nothing to add to the satellite catalog at this time.” This could either indicate that there is nothing to add in addition to the new satellite entry, or that the Zuma satellite is no longer in orbit.
Good news for Musk that he is supplying rockets for Turkey now that a call to obliterate Israel was just made.
One hand washes the other.
"Supplying rockets" .....or launching communications and Earth observation satellites from Florida and Calif on Falcon 9 rockets..satellites that Eurostar/Airbus built on the Eurostar E3000 platform that they sold to Turkey?
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Good news for Musk that he is supplying rockets for Turkey now that a call to obliterate Israel was just made.
One hand washes the other.
Its childsplay for Israel to wipe out all of Turkeys launch sites...and they wouldnt think twice about it if they were really a threat. They would do it right after they had their morning coffee. Might even bomb a few Iranian sites along the way for practice.
"Supplying rockets" .....or launching communications and Earth observation satellites from Florida and Calif on Falcon 9 rockets..satellites that Eurostar/Airbus built on the Eurostar E3000 platform that they sold to Turkey?
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Good news for Musk that he is supplying rockets for Turkey now that a call to obliterate Israel was just made.
Sorry, but I am not rereading. I am not your fool.
I did reread before posting this morning. For my own good, and for assurance. I will not do it a third time. I still stand by my original thoughts, and the ones that I posted about this conversation several months ago when the meeting took place. It was stuffed down below other more interesting headlines.
Lots of what Erdoğan says publicly is simply for domestic consumption by the masses within Turkey itself....there's an election underway. Not that I trust him one bit, but...
When it comes to diplomats or heads of state, I pay more attention to what is NOT said that what is publicly said. Erdoğan is running on economic improvement above all else, and Turkey's economy is closely tied at the hip to that of Israel. Erdoğan knows this all too well. The Turkish resort city of Antalya was the #1 destination for Jewish Israeli tourists at Passover and Israel is in the top 10 of Turkey's export recipients. (#6 I believe as of february 2018) Turkish currency is taking a beating from US $, the Brit pound, the Euro and just about any other significant global currency and inflation in Turkey has been over 10% for some time.
When a leader has trouble at home, it's not unusual for that leader to attempt to guide the narrative elsewhere..takes the populace's mind off their domestic misery at least temporarily tho Erdogan is more likely to let one of the lesser Turkish politicans call for Israel's destruction than to do it publicly or privately himself.
