This whole thing stinks of the worst kind of liberal character assassination attempt.
A few weeks before a special election for a senate seat, women are claiming that 30+ years ago, he assaulted them. Not only that but that it happened when they were underage so they're essentially branding him a pedophile.
It's extremely doubtful that after such a long length of time he can show proof that would repudiate these claims so it's basically a he said-she said event.
Next you have the media repeating these claims on a daily basis. When people get tired of that, you have another accuser 'suddenly' come out of the woodwork and the whole thing starts up once again.
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself." ~ Joseph Goebbels [Hitler's Propaganda Minister]
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They first hit him with the 16 year old. When it was pointed out that 16 is the legal age of consent then the next one was 14 years old. It really looks like a classic character assassination attempt. He doesn't have to be guilty. They just want him publicly saying "I never had inappropriate contact with that teenager". Just the accusation is damaging enough. It is also forcing the GOP to publicly condemn him. Some are not even waiting to see if the charges are true before calling for him to drop out.
Someone should offer a nice lump sum of money to take a poly and if they pass they get the money.. And do it in a national ad.. So it is a case of put up or STFU.
Read this morning that the state AG declared that if Moore is elected without Republican support the governor would declare the election null and void.
I'm not sure how that would work or if it's even legal to do so but it would cement in voters minds the opinion that the elites of both parties are willing to put aside the voters' choice so that they can maintain power in DC.
I had this situation (and other 'stories' in the 'news') in mind when I started the "Court of Public Opinion" thread.
When I was young, they called articles "news stories". I think the media has arrived at that description honestly. How much of what is fed to the masses is the truth, and how much is fiction?
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After listening to Stefan Molyneux's analysis, I don't believe any of the allegations. The main accuser who claims she was 14 when the allegations happened is a really messed up person: teenage drug use, alcohol and promiscuity. Even her mother said parts of her story were untrue. A phone in her room in 1979?
If his name was Bill Clinton ............ he'd get a slap on the wrist, a wink from the Democratic party, and anyone who wanted a more in depth investigation would disappear. It would be over in a heartbeat.
I hope it's not true ....... I feel that to much time has passed for this to be credible but the damage has been done. The sore loser snow flakes will employ any and all methods regardless of the repugnant nature of those methods to forward their agenda.
It has been a very busy week for this type of thing. Nearly a dozen officials from mayors on up have been called out on this. A lot of big D's in there.
With the quickness of information to spread, someone is using it to their advantage. I am not amused.
Suggest an online search engine ("Google") pass using "Gadsden Mall" and "Roy Moore" as inputs or search targets. Limit search parameters to targets from most recent 24 hours or most recent week. If not that, then most recent month. New report in the New Yorker Magazine.
Maybe Roy Moore would have been better advised to "fess up" and then remind people that the incidents that are being reported are from about or even more than 40 years ago.
"I'm a changed man. And I give the credit to the leading protagonist that underlies all Christian-derived modern day theologies, such as Catholicism, Methodism, Baptism, Seventh Day Adventism; etc."
I'm sure that statement would resonate very positively in most precincts of the great state of Alabama.
Like I said in the other similar post, most of these accusers are having a press conference with Allred beside them while they read their 'ordeal' from a printed text given to them. For that reason alone, Im calling out most of these accusations as pure BS. Ohio just had a democrat Chief of Staff in state congress resign yesterday. It seems that its a crime now to just tell a secretary passing in the hall you like her dress or hair.
On Monday, another woman came forward to accuse Moore. Beverly Young Nelson, who turned 56 on Tuesday, accused Moore, now 70, of sexually assaulting her and bruising her neck in the late 1970s when she was 16 years old.
Nelson said at a news conference in New York that Moore, then the district attorney of Etowah County, was a regular at a restaurant where she was a waitress, and that he would sometimes compliment her looks or touch her hair. She showed a copy of her high school yearbook that she said Moore signed on Dec. 22, 1977, with the inscription: “To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say ‘Merry Christmas.’”
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/23/roy-moore-alabama-senate-resurrection-215639Then, in 1992, Alabama politics saw a tidal shift when a Republican was elected governor for the first time since Reconstruction. Moore, who had switched parties from Democrat to Republican, {emphasis mine}
I have some doubts about molestation charges brought up 40 years later, but you never know. That being said, Moore was somewhat of a nut job when I lived in Alabama. I know he was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court bench at least once and maybe twice. His political policies were way out there and he did not want to follow/enforce court orders. Alabama deserves someone better as a US Senator IMHO, but some other crazies may actually elect him to this position.
I think the timing of all of this stinks like yesterday's bad cheese. He may very well have done what they're now, after over 30 years, accusing him of. If he did, he's a scum bag and needs to step aside. However, I've noticed that, as he remains defiant, the charges seem to get more serious. First it was inappropriate touching, then it was inappropriate touching of someone underage, Monday it was trying to force himself on someone. I'm thinking later this week or next, if it looks like he's not going to drop out, the full-on rape accusations will start to come out. Just a hunch.
Keep throwing crap till something sticks is the new order of business...UNLESS your a Clinton. She still walks around free when shes an outright proven criminal.
I know I keep repeating myself, but it continues to be true. ...
Just sickening really how it is all being so blatantly played out.
Kathy Griffin's old lawyer. Blah.
There is quite a lot to keep up with here people. Facts slip away when we are inundated with these timely accusations, the white female teacher 2017 student bang-a-thon we seem to be going through, and the old President Obama comparing President Trump to Hitler. (Here is a bit of a shocker lefties: President Trump just did the most anti Hitler thing imaginable. )
I've stayed out of this discussion even though I was the op. I was just interested in opinions. I have to correct this though. I looked it up and all she did was add the date and location in a note below his signature.
I've stayed out of this discussion even though I was the op. I was just interested in opinions. I have to correct this though. I looked it up and all she did was add the date and location in a note below his signature.
Falsis in uno, falsis in omnibus.
Leftist liberals will happily hold two completely contradictory and unresolved beliefs in their heads simultaneously:
"She lies / She is truthful"
Leftist liberalism is indeed a mental disease.
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POTUS #44 (Barack Obama) did not make a direct comparison between Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler. Not by name. He did not say "Trump" or "Hitler." He did not say "Nazis" or "Nazism." He made direct, explicit reference to the apparent sophistication of German and Austrian society in the 1920s and 1930s and the carnage that was the consequence of the Nazis rising to power in Central Europe. He was talking about the risks and consequences of public apathy and complacency, and framing it in terms of current day electoral politics.
Those remarks were brief, and anyone can view and hear Obama making those remarks at the very start of this CNN video segment on YouTube. The segment is 7+ minutes, but the Obama part of it is complete after the first 2 minutes (and 15 seconds.) https://youtu.be/6tuWe7XSRBk
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I have some doubts about molestation charges brought up 40 years later, but you never know. That being said, Moore was somewhat of a nut job when I lived in Alabama. I know he was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court bench at least once and maybe twice. His political policies were way out there and he did not want to follow/enforce court orders. Alabama deserves someone better as a US Senator IMHO, but some other crazies may actually elect him to this position.
Nelson
Agreed, regardless of the allegations against him, i wouldn't have voted for him anyway. Crazy, creepy guy.
The court statement always read to jurors is " if any part of any testimony is found false, you may regard any, or all the testimony of any witness as being false".
What false? All she did was write the date and location in her own handwriting which no one would confuse with his handwriting. Where did she change his writing in the SLIGHTEST?
POTUS #44 (Barack Obama) did not make a direct comparison between Donald Trump and Adolph Hitler. Not by name. He did not say "Trump" or "Hitler." He did not say "Nazis" or "Nazism." He made direct, explicit reference to the apparent sophistication of German and Austrian society in the 1920s and 1930s and the carnage that was the consequence of the Nazis rising to power in Central Europe. He was talking about the risks and consequences of public apathy and complacency, and framing it in terms of current day electoral politics.
Those remarks were brief, and anyone can view and hear Obama making those remarks at the very start of this CNN video segment on YouTube. The segment is 7+ minutes, but the Obama part of it is complete after the first 2 minutes (and 15 seconds.) https://youtu.be/6tuWe7XSRBk [/youtube] Click to show
@ Ronald...
You post as if I left something out. For those actually reading, I left nothing out. I posted the video. Those that watch it will find the truth. Others, like you, will attack me for your misreading. Whatever it is, I have never taken a single step towards any member here in anger, nor have I ever sent shat to their homes.
Ronald, you have issues, and I would appreciate if your issues were not directed at me. This past week or so you have tried ferociously to intimidate me, repost my words in a twisting manner, and generally been an ******* to several members here. You have even gone so far as to begin a thread and continue that thread of attack towards another member. I will allow my ratings to continue to fall if I have to defend myself against you. Mentally, intellectually, or physically. Pick any or all.
[hide]I have a strong belief that you were the one that sent me shat. When I connect the dots, and I always do, I will post up that information here. If it is not you, then of course a strong public apology will be announced, but until then, I am naming you as my suspect.Click to show
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I browsed through this entire one-page thread before I made my post. I just wanted to clarify a detail or an exactness about this What Obama Said reporting that I did not think was apparent to anyone who read your post (above) without knowing anything else about what Obama said. Click to show
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What false? All she did was write the date and location in her own handwriting which no one would confuse with his handwriting. Where did she change his writing in the SLIGHTEST?
The false part happened during the very first press conference with Gloria Allred where the entire entry was read aloud and attributed to Moore. The ENTIRE entry INCLUDING the part she later said she wrote.
The problem Gloria Alred and her client are going to have now is overcoming the doubt that has now been cast on the authenticity of the yearbook. Had they originally come out and said that parts were added by her, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. But they waited and then said "Oh yeah, it's not all his. Some of it I added. But the rest is his." That will put enough doubt into some people's heads that they will now wonder if the whole thing has been forged. Just as in an actual court of law, in the court of public opinion, sometimes all you have to do is create enough doubt to blow your whole case. To withhold this information until now was a bad move on Gloria Alred's part.
The problem Gloria Alred and her client are going to have now is overcoming the doubt that has now been cast on the authenticity of the yearbook. Had they originally come out and said that parts were added by her, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. But they waited and then said "Oh yeah, it's not all his. Some of it I added. But the rest is his." That will put enough doubt into some people's heads that they will now wonder if the whole thing has been forged. Just as in an actual court of law, in the court of public opinion, sometimes all you have to do is create enough doubt to blow your whole case. To withhold this information until now was a bad move on Gloria Alred's part.
It has ceased to be about any "doubt".
The woman, (Beverly Nelson) specifically claimed that Moore was a frequent customer of hers at "The Olde Hickory House" restaurant.
She also claimed that it was in his car in the parking lot of that same restaurant that he groped her about the same date, (December 1977), that she now confesses that she wrote in her yearbook.
"At a press conference in New York on Monday, Beverly Young Nelson alleged she was sexually assaulted by Moore in December 1977 when she was 16 years old and he was 30.
Nelson produced a high school yearbook that she said Moore signed about a week before she said the assault occurred in Moore's car in the parking lot of a restaurant where she worked and he frequently visited.
Nelson said she worked at the Olde Hickory House in Gadsden in northeast Alabama and that Moore would often flirt with her when he visited. She said he was known to touch her long red hair.
"I don't even know where the restaurant is or was," Moore said in the late afternoon media visit"
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Both she and her lawyer, (Allred) presented that inscription as proof of her claim.
Now she has admitted that the place and date of the inscription was NOT written by Moore but by HER. Further, we have no idea of *when* the portion she now confesses that she wrote was added. For all anyone knows she could have added it 30 minutes prior to her and Allred presenting it to the media.
The fact is, she fabricated "evidence" to bolster her claim.
The attempt to associate Moore by his own hand with the specific date and location of Beverly Nelson's claim is a LIE.
Everyone is now entitled to assume that her entire story is a lie.
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When this first came out, I was skeptical. Then a second accuser came out and I was tending to believe the women. Now there were two other women who came out and said that Judge Moore dated them when they were teenagers, which wasn't and isn't a crime. And the last two have said he kissed them. Whoopie! I had my doubts then about Judge Moore, but now with the revelation that the one woman's claims about the yearbook are not totally true and with doubts about all of the timing and place for these occurrences I believe this is another hit job by the Democrats and Gloria Alred.
I think we need to totally discount any of these last-minute claims and allow the person who is accused to be able to rebut the charges and defend himself. I also think that there should be a remedy for the accused if the accusers cannot make their case. We should not allow political hit jobs to ruin a person's reputation without specific documented evidence. And that goes for both Democrat and Republicans.
There are some though that are pretty open and shut. Like the idiot senator from Minnesota. Who was caught in a picture abusing a woman. He has supposedly resigned, but not right now. I believe he will rescind his resignation after this week's election of Judge Moore. He is a slime and a degenerate poser as a supporter of women.
I remember hearing that one of the accusers is a former campaign worker for Luther Strange. If so, I'm wondering why she didn't speak out when Strange was running against Moore. Why now?
I remember hearing that one of the accusers is a former campaign worker for Luther Strange. If so, I'm wondering why she didn't speak out when Strange was running against Moore. Why now?
Anyone else hear this?
I don't recall reading or hearing anything about a Luther Strange connection, but one of the Moore accusers apparently did work for both Clinton and Biden.
Yep, every one of these accusers should be REQUIRED to show proof...ie/ photos, DNA, impeccable witnesses, identifiable body ID, like birthmarks, tattoos, etc on accused. Without any irrefutable proof, they are subject to immediate lawsuits or court penalties like jail time.
I think there should be a statute of limitations on this.
Only 16 of the 50 states have no statute of limitations for rape or sexual assault.
The other 34 states, (the overwhelming majority), have SOLs ranging from 3 years to 30 years depending on a variety of things from available evidence to the severity of the accusation and even when the incident was first reported by the victim.
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Today's political climate the liberal outlooks slants most everything against the conservative viewpoint. With most media in the liberal camp, they cannot be believed. Hell I cannot remember most of the stuff I did 40 or 50+ years ago. Except about 50 years ago I was getting notices for the draft physical and planning a way to get into the Air Force rather than getting drafted into the Army. I did get a draft notice and enlisted in the AF in Feb.1968.
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