Repubs are right in your face with their tax cuts for the establishment. Dems are just sneaky about it. Neither one has any interest in the 98%. They just pretend to.
Originally posted by dratts: Repubs are right in your face with their tax cuts for the establishment. Dems are just sneaky about it. Neither one has any interest in the 98%. They just pretend to.
Repubs are right in your face with their tax cuts for the establishment. Dems are just sneaky about it. Neither one has any interest in the 98%. They just pretend to.
IMO One difference is probably that repubs don't really talk about 1%er, 2%er or 98 % at all, except when replying to a democrat who uses those hot button talking points..
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Repubs are right in your face with their tax cuts for the establishment. Dems are just sneaky about it. Neither one has any interest in the 98%. They just pretend to.
REALLY this nugget again.. no really.. sad someone your age is still this clueless about government, but not shocking as your whole "me" generation (boomers) put it on auto pilot for decades.. If those that SUPPLY the jobs have MONEY TO SPEND ON EMPLOYEE'S.. They will.. when they are taxed to the moon, they find ways to save money.. and then the jobs either leave, or they cut staff.. When more are working, the fed gets more tax dollars.. YOUR , S.S. retirement fund gets more money, business makes more , gets taxed more (volume of scale not % that you liberals like to use. As they hired more because they needed to produce more. all fills the fed tax till.. A smaller tax on a larger volume of production and employee's will always ring the tax till more than higher taxes on a smaller volume scale.. You claim the schools don't teach anything today, yet this is lost on you at what 60 y/o PLUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't understand this fact.. as you've never run a business. YOU hate the US of A so much go move to china/ or Russia, wait those are to good, for a socialist like you.. you need a real socialist country. oh wait they are all dumps.. Carry on.
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IMO One difference is probably that repubs don't really talk about 1%er, 2%er or 98 % at all, except when replying to a democrat who uses those hot button talking points..
Back in the fall of 2011 the "Occupy Wall Street" leftist lunatics were consumed with their so-called "1%"
As is always the case with these kind of Marxist "economic unfairness" tropes it never stops until it includes anyone who is perceived to have more than anyone else.
Soon it will be the evil 5%, and then 10%...
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REALLY this nugget again.. no really.. sad someone your age is still this clueless about government, but not shocking as your whole "me" generation (boomers) put it on auto pilot for decades.. If those that SUPPLY the jobs have MONEY TO SPEND ON EMPLOYEE'S.. They will.. when they are taxed to the moon, they find ways to save money.. and then the jobs either leave, or they cut staff.. When more are working, the fed gets more tax dollars.. YOUR , S.S. retirement fund gets more money, business makes more , gets taxed more (volume of scale not % that you liberals like to use. As they hired more because they needed to produce more. all fills the fed tax till.. A smaller tax on a larger volume of production and employee's will always ring the tax till more than higher taxes on a smaller volume scale.. You claim the schools don't teach anything today, yet this is lost on you at what 60 y/o PLUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't understand this fact.. as you've never run a business. YOU hate the US of A so much go move to china/ or Russia, wait those are to good, for a socialist like you.. you need a real socialist country. oh wait they are all dumps.. Carry on.
I've been ignoring your responses because you just like to attack me but 'trickle on, I mean trickle down' That theory has never worked. I was a business owner at one time. Schools? Where did I say anything about schools? Apparently you think that anyone who is to the left of Barry Goldwater (who I voted for) is a socialist. I am to the left of Barry these days even though I do respect him as an honest politician who actually says what he believes. I'm going back to ignoring you again now even lthough it is tempting to start calling you names and putting words into your mouth like you do mine I won't stoop to that level
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Dont forget, not everybody defines "success" in the same way, PLUS the definition of "success" for each individual can and does change as life unfolds and develops. Major life events can and do change attitudes and values. Believe me, after dealing with Dads illness and watching up-close-and-personal the entire sickness-to-death process in 6 months, being able to blow a big pile of cash on a car on a whim isnt nearly as important as it once was. 10 years ago a big part of my definition of "success" involved the stupidity of getting on a horse that didnt want me there, and walking away from it. I dont have the SLIGHTEST interest in attempted suicide by equine anymore
Success is NOT just the cash and material things, its also the life experiences. The money and "stuff" is just the means to get those desired experiences.
As is always the case with these kind of Marxist "economic unfairness" tropes it never stops until it includes anyone who is perceived to have more than anyone else.
Soon it will be the evil 5%, and then 10%...
Its going up? Well hey, the problem fixes itself
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Dont forget, not everybody defines "success" in the same way, PLUS the definition of "success" for each individual can and does change as life unfolds and develops.
Success is NOT just the cash and material things, its also the life experiences. The money and "stuff" is just the means to get those desired experiences.
Yep. But the concept she is talking about applies to all of the ways people define success I think.
I've been ignoring your responses because you just like to attack me but 'trickle on, I mean trickle down' That theory has never worked. I was a business owner at one time. Schools? Where did I say anything about schools? I'm going back to ignoring you again now.
When it is truth it isn't an attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just like a socialist/liberal, to cover their ears and go "lalalalalalalala" I owned a business at one time, but I wanted it to be taxed even more. Sure buddy sure..
First of all we are talking about taxes on income, not hand outs of cash. The first step should be the Gov needing less money in the first place. Ask yourself why companies (job makers, wealth makers) move out of one state and into another. Ask yourself why companies (job makers, wealth makers) move overseas.
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I've been an equal opportunity critic of both parties forever. I'm not sure but all I recall from other posts on this forum is criticism of the dems. Has there ever been a critic of the republicans on this forum or do all of you think that they're just perfect? I will confess that my memory sucks so it's possible that that has occurred.
I've been an equal opportunity critic of both parties forever. I'm not sure but all I recall from other posts on this forum is criticism of the dems. Has there ever been a critic of the republicans on this forum or do all of you think that they're just perfect? I will confess that my memory sucks so it's possible that that has occurred.
The only reason that you have been "critical" of the Democrat party and the Republican party is because of your well documented support on this forum for the insane idea of "Democratic Socialism" in this country.
If you think that you're fooling anyone here then you're correct, your memory does suck.
I've been an equal opportunity critic of both parties forever. I'm not sure but all I recall from other posts on this forum is criticism of the dems. Has there ever been a critic of the republicans on this forum or do all of you think that they're just perfect? I will confess that my memory sucks so it's possible that that has occurred.
Start focusing on beliefs and ideals, and specific issues instead of "republicans" and "democrats".
For example watch the video or videos above, and tell me why they are wrong. All one has to do is click play and listen. Type your comments while yo ulisten. I would love it to inspire actual conversation about some things.
But yes there has been plenty of criticism of "republicans" though I will say not as much as the other but what is your point?
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Democrats - Make white people feel guilty and remove all white people statues
Republicans - What?
Democrats - Let's put up statues of black people only. (Washington DC decided to put up a statue of crack smoking disgrace mayor, Marion Barry, because he is black)
"Capitalism means private profits and private losses, not private profits and socialized losses."
Some good points in this vid, which points agree with a what a Democrat would vote for?
Just watch it.
At 3 minutes, government and student loans , also 11:56 At 3:50 outsourcing, and 7:15, At 9:21 Lobbies At 11:13 TAXES At 15:09 a clueless person who is pro fascism. At 17:35 How to change things
Don't picket business, picket Government. But when you think about it, voting a certain way has a similar effect...
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I did not feel like starting another political thread.
I just found this interesting in regards to the new tax plan. Take a moment to watch it, and then tell me who you believe.
Respectfully, I don't think you realize how critical it is that we lower the corporate tax rate. It's the highest in the world. Companies have been leaving in droves... DROVES... to other countries with lower tax rates. This is how nations lose industry.
One need only ask Cliff Pennock how his homeland of Holland has been doing under high corporate taxes over the past 2 decades. They've lost nearly every major industry that they had. There are very few major corporations left in Holland that aren't in part owned by the state or the royal family (like Royal Dutch Shell, etc.). Companies like KLM. Philips, etc... all no longer belong to Holland.
... anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. But American companies even merge with other companies.
Lowering the corporate tax rate will be such an insane economic stimulant... that I can't even conceive of a better analogy than to say that it would be like putting a bar across the street from a trailer park with a big sign that says... "Free Beer and Loose Women." and see how many customers come flocking.
I've been an equal opportunity critic of both parties forever. I'm not sure but all I recall from other posts on this forum is criticism of the dems. Has there ever been a critic of the republicans on this forum or do all of you think that they're just perfect? I will confess that my memory sucks so it's possible that that has occurred.
When there is a poisonous snake coiled up at my feet, I will pay more attention to it, than I will my neighbors sleeping hound dog 20 ft away that is only concerned with protecting its owner.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Respectfully, I don't think you realize how critical it is that we lower the corporate tax rate.
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I agree, I absolutely do not realize. I am unbelievably great at so many things, but fall flat in many others. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. You do not post as often, but it is spot on when you do.
I agree, I absolutely do not realize. I am unbelievably great at so many things, but fall flat in many others. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. You do not post as often, but it is spot on when you do.
You'll find that Democrats aren't making TOOO much noise about lowering the corporate tax rate, because they know how bad it had been for Obama's economic growth (or lack of). He was against ever lowering it, and we lost so many major corporations that may never return due to the investments they've made overseas now (trying to flee our taxes).
The problem is, a lot of people look back to how things were during the 1950s... and believe that we can somehow come back to that. Corporate taxes were very high, as were personal income tax rates.
The thing is, that was immediately after the war. Western and Eastern Europe had been devastated... every country saw mass devastation of their industry... Germany of course, France, Holland, Italy, all of those countries were a wreck. Russia was a mess, so was Japan, and China and most of the rest of the Asian continent were far too underdeveloped to manufacture and export anything.
So that left mainland America... the only place relatively untouched. It was a huge economic boon for the United States and Canada. We produced and manufactured basically everything for the rest of the world. So we (government) could tax whatever we wanted, whenever we wanted, for whatever we wanted... and we'd pay it because there was no alternative. We are in a fiercely competitive global economy now, and the only way to compete isn't joining the "shared sacrifice of Europe" but to lower our corporate taxes... not to just keep the corporations we have, but to encourage new corporations to be build here and to come back. We need to SMARTLY reduce regulations as well to make it encouraging and reduce the "start-up" costs and time needed to get a business moving.
There's also in the range of 3-5 trillion dollars that belongs to US-based companies that's currently being held in overseas banks due to the fact that they don't want to bring it into the country as a result of the 35-39% corporate and capital gains tax. When we reduce the corporate tax rate, that money WILL come back (it's just sitting in overseas corporate accounts). We'll get a one-time influx of cash from a reduced tax-bracket for that money, but that's money that will immediately end up getting re-invested into manufacturing, research, and development here in the United States.
... IF... the Republicans can stick to the plan. If they wuss out... then who knows what crap they come up with.
Originally posted by dratts: ...but 'trickle on, I mean trickle down' That theory has never worked. I was a business owner at one time.
Did a poor man put you into business ? Did your earnings hire an employee or two ? When did any poorer person make a rich man richer ? The Dumbs claim "trickle up" works.
When I look for a job I don't go looking for a poor man/company.
