I agree, from what the vid showed, but he has way more to lose than she. Lawyers already lining up to sue him and/or his employer I suspect. She'll recover from that knot on her head..he may not again be employable, depending on how it plays out.
I do not feel like she should be able to sue for that. I know what I feel means nothing, but her behavior is what got her into the problem. That still does not excuse his actions, and he should be discaplined
All I'm gonna say is what my ole pappy used to tell me. Don't start something ya can't finish.
Personally, they don't want me on that jury. She would not win. No use for drunks or folks who take a swing.
I'd argue that he controlled the situation and rendered the threat a non-threat. Not saying it would work but, as I said, not much sympathy for drunks or intoxicated idiots.
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This is not good for him. I can see his actions getting him fired. If he looses his temper and takes it to such an extreme that easily, he is a huge liability to an employer.
All I'm gonna say is what my ole pappy used to tell me. Don't start something ya can't finish.
Personally, they don't want me on that jury. She would not win. No use for drunks or folks who take a swing.
I'd argue that he controlled the situation and rendered the threat a non-threat. Not saying it would work but, as I said, not much sympathy for drunks or intoxicated idiots.
There were 4 officers to control the one girl. Things definetly could of been handled better. He is suppose to be the professional. Nothing professional about what he did. Plus the whole not suppose to hit a girl thing...
I'm just not much on hitting women..period. 4 police officers have her and she gets knocked-the-**** out? You call her little pissant flailing around slap a threat? Thought you was a big tough biker dude.
I've been slapped harder than that by a cow's tail. To each his own I guess...
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I'm just not much on hitting women..period. 4 police officers have her and she gets knocked-the-**** out? You call her little pissant flailing around slap a threat?
I've been slapped harder than that by a cow's tail. To each his own I guess...
Didn't say he'd win in court, I just don't have much sympathy for drunks regardless of sex or, sexual orientation. Are we sure that's a female? Notice I didn't say lady.
Whoa, who ever told you I was a big, tough biker dude? Most surely wasn't me. Used to be big, used to think I was tough, yeah I ride and I am a dude. Well, at least I'm not a Dudette.....................................
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Im goonnna be like the BLM... That was a racist cop (blk) hitting a defenseless poor little white girl. The whole force should be fired and it and the university pay her 10 million dollars and give her a free house.
On the real side, I really think the girl got what she deserved. Hit someone...even a cop...and expect the favor to be returned. She presented a danger and he countered that danger. Your allowed to use just enough force to stop them in my book. He wouldnt have been justified in shooting her since she only used her hand to hit him.
If radical feminism was honest, this should be completely OK(they aren't honest, they will be pissed). However in the real world we acknowledge the difference between men and a woman, this is not OK.
If radical feminism was honest, this should be completely OK(they aren't honest, they will be pissed). However in the real world we acknowledge the difference between men and a woman, this is not OK.
Honestly, I do agree. The Security Guard (or what ever he was) shouldn't have smacked the drunk back. IMHO, the sex of the offender doesn't matter. It's not like the initial "smacker" did any real damage. Yeah, he was wrong. On the other side of the coin, we're all responsible for our own actions, get drunk and stupid and live with the results and consequences.
Having said all that. I surely hope there is no court case. Idiots like the offender are all over the place and I don't have a lot of sympathy for a drunk.
If radical feminism was honest, this should be completely OK(they aren't honest, they will be pissed). However in the real world we acknowledge the difference between men and a woman, this is not OK.
I honestly don't see how gender is even an issue in this video? The drunk person was no threat to the security personnel. The security "person" used excessive force. Why did he do it? I am sure he will be asked to give a reason during an investigation. My money says he will be found guilty of unnecessary or excessive use of force. Gender is NEVER a consideration for Law Enforcement to act or not act.
Pick your battles..in both cases. She was dumb for losing control of her emotions (drunk) ..he was dumber because he had more to lose when he did the same thing sober and in full view of the public...not that I would condone the same thing being done in private.. Her actions will probably result in a fine and maybe some jail time for the felony assault charge on a police officer, but his actions may cost him his job and will undoubtedly cost the taxpayer many times what his monthly salary would be. You cannot control a situation if you cannot control your own emotions and reactions--ever.
she was waving her hand around that was in NO way an assault or even close to one
Not sure what video you were watching but the one posted at the beginning of this thread clearly sbows a female taking two open handed swings at a person holding her right leg and connecting on the second. Pretty clear cut.
Billshut! Swing at a cop (or any other Citizen), expect to get the same thing back in spades!
I saw a cop on one of the reality cop shows get into a fist fight with a suspect. The suspect swung on the cop first and the cop returned like favors. After the suspect was cuffed and stuffed, the cop said that when a suspects on him, it's game on. He just about knocked the suspect out, to the point that he had to be picked up and almost carried into the car.
In the original post, it looks like the man swung just as a reaction. He didn't pause, it was almost instantaneous.
I saw a cop on one of the reality cop shows get into a fist fight with a suspect. The suspect swung on the cop first and the cop returned like favors. After the suspect was cuffed and stuffed, the cop said that when a suspects on him, it's game on. He just about knocked the suspect out, to the point that he had to be picked up and almost carried into the car.
In the original post, it looks like the man swung just as a reaction. He didn't pause, it was almost instantaneous.
As a professionals, Law Enforcement have to make decisions on the fly, one of those decisions is how much force to use. This video was clearly not "tit for tat". As I have said before, the drunk person was no threat to the officers who were escorting her. She hardly made contact at all with an officer who instantly went full blown Mike Tyson on her. This was an example of loosing control of emotions. Remember, those Officers are supposed to be the professionals, that means they follow departmental policy, NOT necessarily how a civilian would handle a bar fight. I am all for Police defending themselves, but as professionals, they are supposed to know when to use force and how much to use.
she was waving her hand around that was in NO way an assault or even close to one
so
who ever charged her with an assault should be fired for lying on an official report as should the goon who punched her as that was an assault
btw the uniform is a miami-dade county cop not a private security guard
Hopefully, for her sake, you'll get called for jury duty for her trial. I've said the LEO should not have struck her back but........................... If I was on the jury, she'd be guilty of assault of a police officer, drunk in public and most likely several other charges. Just based on that video clip. No doubt in my mind.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Hopefully, for her sake, you'll get called for jury duty for her trial. I've said the LEO should not have struck her back but........................... If I was on the jury, she'd be guilty of assault of a police officer, drunk in public and most likely several other charges. Just based on that video clip. No doubt in my mind.
You may very well be correct. An injury is not required to be guilty of assault.
Didn't say he'd win in court, I just don't have much sympathy for drunks regardless of sex or, sexual orientation. Are we sure that's a female? Notice I didn't say lady.
Whoa, who ever told you I was a big, tough biker dude? Most surely wasn't me. Used to be big, used to think I was tough, yeah I ride and I am a dude. Well, at least I'm not a Dudette.....................................
Haven't you stated that you used to drink, and more than just a few, iirc, if so. Are one of those don't do as I do/did, do as I say. type..? 4 cops no need to knock her out.. I guess as far as you are concerned , it is ok to hit a female if she is drunk. Am I understanding this correctly? I hope not.. If that little issue set him off, he'll clearly be one of the many cops that abuse their other half..
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Haven't you stated that you used to drink, and more than just a few, iirc, if so. Are one of those don't do as I do/did, do as I say. type..? 4 cops no need to knock her out.. I guess as far as you are concerned , it is ok to hit a female if she is drunk. Am I understanding this correctly? I hope not.. If that little issue set him off, he'll clearly be one of the many cops that abuse their other half..
You are correct about one thing stated above, I USED to consume the spirits. Quit consuming on my 21st birthday. Adults recognize when they are on the wrong path. Do as I say versus do as I do? I think not.
You guess?
Reference the rest of your post, reading comprehension is a good thing, you might want to work on it. Said I have no sympathy for a drunk, also said it doesn't matter what the sex or orientation of the drunk is. I'm an equal opportunity jurist. We're all responsible for our decisions and actions regardless of the percentage of alcohol in our blood stream.
I've got no problem with a person defending themselves against being attacked. The fact that this is a LEO in the performance of his duties may put it into a different light reference his action/retaliation but, I still have no sympathy for the drunk regardless of the drunk's sexual/biological status. Personal responsibility for one's own actions includes what one does while inebriated. One could if this situation to death. The video clearly shows the drunk smacking the LEO. She's obviously out of control. She needs to learn a lesson. Hopefully, it's painful enough to correct her attitude about getting stupid drunk.
Edited: Having read your post once again, you must be very insightful or, have knowledge of the drama surpassing that of my own. Was she "knocked out"? The video ends to quickly for me to determine that or are you guessing again?
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With very few exceptions, I do agree with Joe. If you're in a physical confrontation, always use more force than your opponent, else you'll come out on the losing end.
If a woman uses any kind of weapon to assault me, I would have little problem with defending myself with more force. Her weapon became the gender equalizer.
With very few exceptions, I do agree with Joe. If you're in a physical confrontation, always use more force than your opponent, else you'll come out on the losing end.
If a woman uses any kind of weapon to assault me, I would have little problem with defending myself with more force. Her weapon became the gender equalizer.
With very few exceptions, I do agree with Joe. If you're in a physical confrontation, always use more force than your opponent, else you'll come out on the losing end.
If a woman uses any kind of weapon to assault me, I would have little problem with defending myself with more force. Her weapon became the gender equalizer.
Not that I dissagree or agree with your statements, my comments are purely from the professional side of this video. Police are bound to policy and procedures, and that dictates how much force can be used (if any at all), given the current situation. They should have been trained to know that she did not require a punch to the face to get her out of the venue. A group of Police should have gotten her out of there with as little force as possible to prevent injuries, that includes Police, Fans and the Suspect. That is EXACTLY why so many Police showed up to escort her out. They are not paid to show up and beat people down at will. IF, the situation degraded to a barroom brawl,...then so be it. But I guarantee you that Law Enforcement are not trained to smash people's faces in to protect themselves from a drunken backhanded flyswat.
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Well, if you read the poster's screen names, I'm betting you'll figure it out. But, other than that, I'll let Joe out himself.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
