FORT BRAGG, N.C., Nov 3 (Reuters) - U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl on Friday was spared prison time for endangering fellow troops when he deserted his post in Afghanistan in 2009, but a military judge ordered he should be dishonorably discharged from the service.
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Wow, not to detract from the threads intent, but this happened in 2009, and nearly 9 years later, a ruling is made? I haven't been following this but, that seems unimpressive.
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Wow, not to detract from the threads intent, but this happened in 2009, and nearly 9 years later, a ruling is made? I haven't been following this but, that seems unimpressive.
Bergdahl deserted his post, captured and held prisoner for five years by ISIS. Obama traded five GITMO prisoners to get him back. He deserted his post 9 years ago and was just discharged with a dishonorable discharge today.
He should have gotten prison time at a minimum.
Personally, I blame Candidate/President Trump for the lack of prison time. His statements gave the defense all kinds of appeals opportunity. While I generally support President Trump, he should figure out when to keep his trap shut.
This verdict/sentence is a slap in the face to every veteran that has ever served in my opinion. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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Bergdahl deserted his post and was captured and held prisoner for five years by ISIS. Obama traded five GITMO prisoners to get him back. He deserted his post 9 years ago and was just discharged with a dishonorable discharge today.
He should have gotten prison time at a minimum.
Personally, I blame Candidate/President Trump for the lack of prison time. His statements gave the defense all kinds of appeals opportunity. While I generally support President Trump, he should figure out when to keep his trap shut.
This verdict/sentence is a slap in the face to every veteran that has ever served in my opinion.
Ah that guy. So really its more like 4 years before verdict.
Originally posted by blackrams: This verdict/sentence is a slap in the face to every veteran that has ever served in my opinion.
Agreed. His sentence feels like a hollow victory. He got off pretty easy. Although, I'm glad they busted him down to Private before sending him out the door. He didn't deserve those Sergeant stripes. He was promoted to Sergeant in absentia while he was missing, as a gesture of good faith.
That said, having a dishonorable discharge is going to make his life difficult. On the other hand, he stands to make a crap-load of money from book and/or movie royalties. So it may not matter much.
It's been reported that Bergdahl has been something of an INTEL gem (if not exactly a gold mine) in so far as the details about his captivity that he has revealed. INTEL about the Taliban and about how the Taliban "does hostages."
It's been reported that Bergdahl has been something of an INTEL gem (if not exactly a gold mine) in so far as the details about his captivity that he has revealed. INTEL about the Taliban and about how the Taliban "does hostages."
I hope they "did him" long, deep, and repeatedly.
OTOH, CNN will probably hire him as a "correspondent" any day now.
The real problem I have with this is the six people who lost their lives trying to find his azz. They should have sent him to Gitmo to be with his "buddies". Put him in General Population, if that's a thing, there. (But I kind of doubt it.)
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Can Bowe Bergdahl Be Tied to 6 Lost Lives? Facts Are Murky.
WASHINGTON — Did the search for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl cost the lives of American soldiers?
Since last weekend’s prisoner exchange in which Afghan insurgents turned over Sergeant Bergdahl after five years of captivity, a number of the men who served with him have called him a deserter. Some have gone further, blaming him for the deaths of six to eight soldiers.
That second claim is hardening into a news media narrative. CNN has reported in scrolling headlines that six soldiers died looking for Sergeant Bergdahl after senior American military officials say he wandered off his base. The Daily Beast published an essay by a former member of Sergeant Bergdahl’s battalion, Nathan Bradley Bethea, who linked the search to the deaths of eight soldiers whom he named. “He has finally returned,” Mr. Bethea wrote. “Those men will never have the opportunity.”
But a review of casualty reports and contemporaneous military logs from the Afghanistan war shows that the facts surrounding the eight deaths are far murkier than definitive — even as critics of Sergeant Bergdahl contend that every American combat death in Paktika Province in the months after he disappeared, from July to September 2009, was his fault.
All across Afghanistan, that period was a time of ferocious fighting. President Obama had decided to send a surge of additional troops to improve security, but they had not yet arrived. In Paktika, the eight deaths during that period were up from five in the same three months the previous year. Across Afghanistan, 122 Americans died in that period, up from 58 in 2008.
It's been reported that Bergdahl has been something of an INTEL gem (if not exactly a gold mine) in so far as the details about his captivity that he has revealed. INTEL about the Taliban and about how the Taliban "does hostages."
I normally don't reply to things I consider really stupid but, that's about the dumbest thing I've ever actually read from you. Then again, I don't read all of your posts.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Personally, I'd rather do 5 years in Leavenworth than get a dishonorable discharge (assuming I had a choice). And, yes. I have an HONORABLE discharge so I am allowed to have an opinion.
I think he probably should have had both but then again, I wasn't there so my thoughts are based more on opinion rather than fact.
Originally posted by blackrams: I normally don't reply to things I consider really stupid but, that's about the dumbest thing I've ever actually read from you. Then again, I don't read all of your posts.
Intelligence provided by former Taliban captive Bergdahl is 'a gold mine,' officials testify Corey Dickstein for Stars and Stripes; October 31, 2017. https://www.stripes.com/new...als-testify-1.495513
FORT BRAGG, N.C. — Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has provided intelligence analysts and Pentagon hostage experts valuable information about the Taliban-linked group that held him captive for five years after he walked off his Afghanistan combat post in 2009, two officials testified Tuesday.
Bergdahl, who was kidnapped by Taliban fighters after deserting his combat post in eastern Afghanistan, is the only American servicemember ever to be held by the Taliban or their closely aligned partners in the Haqqani network, the witnesses said Tuesday, calling the information attained from the soldier’s debriefings “a gold mine.”
“We were able to build the [Haqqani] captor network like we’d not ever been able to do before,” said Amber Dach, who served 16 years in military intelligence as a soldier and a civilian. “It was just completely invaluable.”
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That was the first three paragraphs.
By the way 'rams, ever think of making up one of those "sandwich" signs so that you can show off that overworked boilerplate at the end of every one of your forum posts everywhere you go?
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Originally posted by Tony Kania: You really suck at times Ronald.
Too bad you can't ask those that died, but you can ask Master Sargent Mark Allen.
It was Raydar (just above) that linked Bowe Bergdahl in a very direct way with six (6) U.S. service members KIA.
I have no liking whatsoever for Bowe Bergdahl or for what he did in Afghanistan (deserting his post and making himself an easy "catch" for the Taliban.)
For anyone who wants to think with more clarity about the connections between Bowe Bergdahl and subsequent harm that came to U.S. service members in Afghanistan, I recommend the article that I cited in my previous post; the page link, once again: https://www.nytimes.com/201...facts-are-murky.html
In terms of in-depth coverage, it's often a case of the New York Times or Washington Post, vs... no other media venue.
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By the way 'rams, ever think of making up one of those "sandwich" signs so that you can show off that overworked boilerplate at the end of every one of your forum posts everywhere you go?
A gold mine? Hmmm......... Quoting something stupid doesn't help your case.
Reference the "boiler plate", from my perspective, it rings true. And, just so you know. That "boiler plate" you speak of also serves a purpose, if nothing else it serves to irritate people of opposing positions or in your case, crap stirrers. Dobie really liked it, glad to see it makes an impression on you also.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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I posted this in the Twitter account thread but it bears repeating.
As to this case, the decision is a disgraceful middle finger to the President.
The judge said “I will consider the president’s comments as mitigation evidence as I arrive at an appropriate sentence”. Yet, nothing in the law makes the president's comments "mitigating evidence" for Bergdahl's crimes. They are simply noise that should have no bearing on the proceeding or the judge's decision as they provide no information to suggest his betrayal is any less treacherous or dangerous than any other deserter.
If a case is to be made against the President's comments it would be that the president’s words weigh against continuing the case because they run the risk of tainting the prosecution by undue influence. The case should either be deemed compromised and dismissed, or the statements excluded and ignored and justice administered.................................by the book.
