If you're at the top, you're no longer liable. It's disgusting.
Hillary, FBI, IRS, ATF, FAA and more. Those are the swamps that need draining the most, instead of the media trying to hold trump to his campaign promises, they're worried about Russians running Facebook adds. I'm not surprised by this.
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If your at the top, you're no longer liable. It's disgusting.
Hillary, FBI, IRS, ATF, FAA and more. Those are the swamps that need draining the most, instead of the media trying to hold trump to his campaign promises, they're worried about Russians running Facebook adds. I'm not surprised by this.
Add USDA, BLM, USCOE, BLR, Dept of Interior to that list for sure. They've lost their way.
Add USDA, BLM, USCOE, BLR, Dept of Interior to that list for sure. They've lost their way.
Right, just about any of them have committed crimes and nobody is holding them accountable. If I scam hundreds of thousands of people out of $5, I go to prison. The FAA does it and nobody is criminally charged, all they have to do is give the money back if the victim applies for it. They blatantly broke the law, their own website had info that proved they knew what they did was illegal before they removed it to pull off their scam.
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Comical? Hmmmm. I've never considered a supposed leader with a lack of integrity as funny but, I guess that depends on how one views cheating, lying, stealing, traitorous actions and so forth.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Comical? Hmmmm. I've never considered a supposed leader with a lack of integrity as funny but, I guess that depends on how one views cheating, lying, stealing, traitorous actions and so forth.
Now now Ron...You're not going along with the leftie "shaming" game.
When treepup says you're "comical" you're supposed to immediately feel foolish and ashamed and cease discussion about whatever it is that he disapproves of.
Of course, being adults, we don't think or behave the way treepup does, but that doesn't stop him from believing that everyone is as childish as he is.
Now now Ron...You're not going along with the leftie "shaming" game.
When treepup says you're "comical" you're supposed to immediately feel foolish and ashamed and cease discussion about whatever it is that he disapproves of.
Of course, being adults, we don't think or behave the way treepup does, but that doesn't stop him from believing that everyone is as childish as he is.
Sorry, I'll try to remember that.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
FYI, threedog's parents paid for his college. Remember when he gave you folks shat the other day? You know, about how no one can go to college and all? That was difficult not to say anything during that.
I just cannot contain myself. The knowledge that I know and have to keep at bay.
I have wondered if it was threepup or dobie that sent the poop to our homes. I say dobie, but threepup has it in him to prod a giant from a distance. Which ever one it was, I am still not bowing down to you.
Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly? Wasn't the whole Tea Party IRS thing an issue with Obama's re-election for his second term? What does this have to do with Hillary? Or was this happening again under the Obama administration in this last election? Wait, was the IRS doing this under Hillary's directive during Obama's re-election campaign and he claimed no knowledge as it was she that ordered it?
I'm honestly just trying to figure out what the tie in is. I'm just not in a situation where I want to/can spend time watching the video or reading any links.
I'm honestly just trying to figure out what the tie in is. I'm just not in a situation where I want to/can spend time watching the video or reading any links.
Relax.
Her name was only mentioned as part of a (long) list of corrupt government agencies and politicians that festered into malignancy during the Obama administration.
I didn't see anyone here infer a direct connection between IRS criminality and Granny Clinton, (yet).
FYI, threedog's parents paid for his college. Remember when he gave you folks shat the other day? You know, about how no one can go to college and all? That was difficult not to say anything during that.
Note that he has also tried to lecture everyone here about so-called "white privilege".
That boy must have a skull so full of self-loathing and deceit that it would even shock rinselberg's psychiatrist.
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Her name was only mentioned as part of a (long) list of corrupt government agencies and politicians that festered into malignancy during the Obama administration.
I didn't see anyone here infer a direct connection between IRS criminality and Granny Clinton, (yet).
Ok. Going back now I see where Hillary entered this to give Threedog fodder to lob. I thought his comment was directly relating to the post topic, not a single name drop from jmbishop. Thank you for helping to clear that up for me Randye.
FYI, threedog's parents paid for his college. Remember when he gave you folks shat the other day? You know, about how no one can go to college and all? That was difficult not to say anything during that.
I just cannot contain myself. The knowledge that I know and have to keep at bay.
I have wondered if it was threepup or dobie that sent the poop to our homes. I say dobie, but threepup has it in him to prod a giant from a distance. Which ever one it was, I am still not bowing down to you.
****ing pussies of the world.
Actually, my parents didn't pay for college. They helped with community college when they could, but thats it. I did community college before to save money, worked 30-40 hour weeks while in college(with the exception of the first semester at Uni) and still that only covered living expenses+my fiero experiments. I am still almost 25k in debt, and that was with assistance. For those who have nothing, it is next to impossible to attend college. Average cost is 10k/year in tuition alone. It is not doable for many people in many situations, especially because you are not guaranteed a decent paying job upon graduation.
Regardless, the reason I don't show up in every single thread is that I use this website occasionally. I do not spend all my time here typing out arguments. I pop in on some discussions and if I don't get back on for a few days I generally don't bother to look through the threads to find the one I last commented in.
I am appreciating the "no, YOU are" comments though in response to my comment about the obsession with Hillary on here. It really shows the maturity level of the forum(incoming Randye taking my post and putting random words in bold to try to get his point across, followed by Tony with some kind of insulting play on words that involves my forum name)
Originally posted by Threedog: ....................For those who have nothing, it is next to impossible to attend college. Average cost is 10k/year in tuition alone. It is not doable for many people in many situations.........................
This is incorrect.
The average student has $30,000 worth of debt upon graduation.
White male students graduate with about 33% more debt than their white female peers. In fact, white males graduate with the most debt of any group and white females graduate with the second least amount of debt.
17% of whites received merit-based aid and 12% of blacks received merit-based grants. OTOH, 30% of whites received aid based on need compared to 53% of blacks.
Furthermore, the way colleges finance their operations, white students, who can pay the full cost of tuition, are paying about 50% more than they should be. The extra money funds the need based scholarships of which blacks and other minorities are a major beneficiary.
So much for equality.
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Originally posted by Threedog: I am appreciating the "no, YOU are" comments though in response to my comment about the obsession with Hillary on here. It really shows the maturity level of the forum(incoming Randye taking my post nd putting random words in bold to try to get his point across, followed by Tony with some kind of insulting play on words that involves my forum name)
This is correct.
It does not reflect well on the posters and they should cut it out.
For those who have nothing, it is next to impossible to attend college. Average cost is 10k/year in tuition alone. It is not doable for many people in many situations, especially because you are not guaranteed a decent paying job upon graduation.
Seriously, I'm not trying to burst this pity balloon but, it is possible, I've already told you twice that I did it, my parents were "dirt poor". I've had a real job since I was twelve and I'm not asking anyone for sympathy. Can't tell you how many second jobs I've held during my life. Opportunity is out there if a person goes after it.
I also helped instill a decent work ethic in my kids and both of them got through their higher education requirements without any assistance from myself or any one else. And, there are no guarantees in any thing in life except you will eventually die.
Using the talents we were all born with (some, more than others) and a willing work ethic, anyone can get ahead. I've also had to deal with a "quota" system that required me to perform at a higher level and work harder than the competition. So, if you're looking for sympathy here, you're wasting your time. Life ain't easy, roll up your sleeves and get to it.
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Originally posted by blackrams: Seriously, I'm not trying to burst this pity balloon but, it is possible, I've already told you twice that I did it, my parents were "dirt poor". I've had a real job since I was twelve and I'm not asking anyone for sympathy. Can't tell you how many second jobs I've held during my life. Opportunity is out there if a person goes after it. I also helped instill a decent work ethic in my kids and both of them got through their higher education requirements without any assistance from myself or any one else. And, there are no guarantees in any thing in life except you will eventually die. Using the talents we were all born with (some, more than others) and a willing work ethic and anyone can get ahead. I've also had to deal with a "quota" system that required me to perform at a higher level and work harder than the competition. So, if you're looking for sympathy here, you're wasting your time. Life ain't easy, roll up your sleeves and get to it.
In treepup's leftist world there MUST be only victims and oppressors. There is no room for personal responsibility and the consequences of your own actions, (or lack thereof).
Success, by it's very existence, is proof positive to the leftist mind that it was "unfairly" achieved at the expense of someone else, ( a"victim"), and the individual that achieved that success is somehow an "oppressor" (i.e. "white privilege", 1%, etc.).
By the way, I also paid for my own college education and I did it both for my undergraduate degree and my Masters degree while supporting my wife and 2 children.
I did it by dropping out of the university in 1971 and joining the military and serving so that I could have the GI Bill benefit to achieve my goal.
I did it by working 2 and 3 jobs while also serving in the National Guard after my active duty years so I could make enough money to achieve my goal.
I did it by sacrificing a lot of things, and I certainly didn't have the luxury of "my Fiero experiments" like treepup whines about.
Because we have invested and saved for it, my wife and I are in a position now to be able to afford to pay for our Grandchildren's college, but they will NOT know that until they graduate.
If any of them wastes their educational opportunity on nonsense like a major in "Lesbian underwater basket weaving in Bolivia.", they won't see a dime from us.
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Because we have invested and saved for it, my wife and I are in a position now to be able to afford to pay for our Grandchildren's college, but they will NOT know that until they graduate.
Just in case you didn't know, I am available for adoption.................................
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
The average student has $30,000 worth of debt upon graduation.
Those numbers include people who have 0 debt because of parental involvement.
My point is that a college degree does not guarantee a job, even if you work hard and even if you graduate in fantastic standing. Someone with next to nothing can not afford to have 30k+ in debt when they are starting off at a literal zero. It is very possible they don't get a job that pays more than 10/hr for months or years after graduation.
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Originally posted by blackrams: Seriously, I'm not trying to burst this pity balloon but, it is possible, I've already told you twice that I did it, my parents were "dirt poor". I've had a real job since I was twelve and I'm not asking anyone for sympathy. Can't tell you how many second jobs I've held during my life. Opportunity is out there if a person goes after it.
My point is that a college degree does not guarantee a job, even if you work hard and even if you graduate in fantastic standing. Someone with next to nothing can not afford to have 30k+ in debt when they are starting off at a literal zero. It is very possible they don't get a job that pays more than 10/hr for months or years after graduation.
We have been down this same path with you before in another thread.
Where did you get the moronic idea that anyone should be guaranteed a job simply by virtue of completing a college degree?
I'm sure we will be treated to another one of your puerile "victim" lectures now and be told all about how all the opportunities are gone...
We have also been down that path with you before, and your question to Ron suggests that you intend to try it again:
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What year did you graduate?
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I am not saying that you should be guaranteed a job. I am trying to make the point that there is no reasonable decision someone who is poor should take the risk to go to college.
The universal cure for all societal ills: Free Money.
I'm not really "in" on this particular Pennock's discussion, but I saw this on the news, just the other day.
Perhaps some of the "players" on this thread can find additional sport with this new development.
Free Money at the Edge of the Tech Boom
A 27-year-old mayor is implementing a $1 million experiment in guaranteed income for residents of a poor city [not far from California's Silicon Valley]
The latest experiment in a universal basic income will be coming to Stockton, California, in the next year.
With $1 million in funding from the tech industry–affiliated Economic-Security Project, the Stockton Economic-Empowerment Demonstration (SEED) will be the country’s first municipal pilot program. As currently envisioned, some number of people in Stockton will receive $500 per month. That’s not enough to cover all their expenses, but it could help people with rising housing costs, paying student loans, or simply saving for life’s inevitable problems.
What year did I graduate? Oh, you're going to say things have changed? 1978.
You conveniently left out that both of my (now adult) children have accomplished the same thing in the last two years. I also know others that are doing similar things, working their butts off and taking advantage of opportunities when they find them. The GI Bill is also another option. I have to assume (whether you considered that option or not) you did not choose to serve this country? That option is open to all, rich and poor.
There are no excuses for your side of this discussion (with maybe the exception of those who are physically or for whatever reason unable to serve). Those folks also have options. There are always options. I'd advise those folks you're talking about to get off their asses and get to it. Whining about a lack of opportunity is kind of like peeing into the wind. All it accomplishes is getting the person wet and a socially unacceptable odor about them.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
The GI Bill is also another option. I have to assume (whether you considered that option or not) you did not choose to serve this country? That option is open to all, rich and poor.
No it is not.
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(with maybe the exception of those who are physically or for whatever reason unable to serve).
Maybe? No maybe about it. There is no other option I am aware of or that has ever been presented to me in my lifetime that allowed me to serve my country in some way to earn a government funded education bill. My only option was government funded loans.
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The universal cure for all societal ills: Free Money.
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With $1 million in funding from the tech industry–affiliated Economic-Security Project, the Stockton Economic-Empowerment Demonstration (SEED) will be the country’s first municipal pilot program. As currently envisioned, some number of people in Stockton will receive $500 per month. That’s not enough to cover all their expenses, but it could help people with rising housing costs, paying student loans, or simply saving for life’s inevitable problems.
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Free is not free. Not going to go into how many dilute the truths, but you must understand this simple truth. Please stop.
Maybe? No maybe about it. There is no other option I am aware of or that has ever been presented to me in my lifetime that allowed me to serve my country in some way to earn a government funded education bill. My only option was government funded loans.
One of those other "options" would be part time education and working. That option was one I exercised and so did one of my kids. There are always other options, I never said they were all free. Community Colleges offer cheaper alternatives and can get a person part of the way. I know a guy that got a job at his school specifically because they offered free classes to their employees. Didn't say it was easy but, it is possible. He graduated with a masters degree eventually. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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One of those other "options" would be part time education and working. That option was one I exercised and so did one of my kids. There are always other options, I never said they were all free. Community Colleges offer cheaper alternatives and can get a person part of the way. I know a guy that got a job at his school specifically because they offered free classes to their employees. Didn't say it was easy but, it is possible. He graduated with a masters degree eventually.
Yes, working while going to pay for your schooling is an option as is student loans. However as I said, there is no other option I am aware of for those of us who are physically or mentally disqualified from military service that allows us to earn a GI Bill type funded schooling allotment by serving our country in some other way. We who are disable in that way are denied an equal opportunity. No “maybe” about it. I/we could not receive a government funded dorm while being paid to learn and execute a probable marketable skill and earn a bill. A bill that pays for further education once my/our 4 years of paid service is over. Where is/was that option for me? I thought we were not supposed to discriminate against those who are disabled? It’s not like I chose to be such? My genetics caused a vein to be grown where one shouldn’t have been. That’s not like I went out smoking pot with my high school buddies and got in a car wreck shattering the bones in one leg. That at least would be a conscious choice. That person chose to get high with his buddies and get in a car with them. I had no choice. It’s not like God whispered to me in the womb asking if I wanted a vein where one shouldn’t have been?
I’m sorry Ron. I don’t mean to sound like a jerk or sound ungrateful for the country I live in. I don’t mean to belittle the service any member of the military has done for our country and in turn for me, you, my family and everyone else. It’s just when discussions like this come up they touch on a sore spot for me. A sore spot others may not ever see or understand because that opportunity was not denied to them. Just like things I see saying stuff like “share if you think all veterans should get free healthcare and housing for life”. I think they deserve a lot of respect and I give it to them. But on the same note, if they are given that, it would be just one more thing denied to me by my country because of something I had no control over.
Anyways, I hope that clears up my point of view on it. Again Ron, I apologize for being a bit sensitive about this specific thing.
Hope I didn’t get many typos in the above. Posted this from my phone.
*Fixed typos when I got home and could correct them easier than trying to do it on a phone.
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I am not saying that you should be guaranteed a job. I am trying to make the point that there is no reasonable decision someone who is poor should take the risk to go to college.
There are a lot of people who don't have the aptitude or the inclination to go to college. College and a degree by itself does not guarantee a job or better yet a good paying job. It is just an accomplishment to put on your CV. There are a whole lot of fairly high paying jobs in the market for people who are willing to work and maybe get their hands dirty. Even in this age of more and more electronics and robots, someone needs to maintain and fix this equipment. In Michigan where I live, we are trying to change the mentality that everyone should go to college. And to help the students who would like to take up technical trades. Someday maybe it will happen. Many of these trade schools will have your employer pay for the courses. And there is a great need for technical people right now and in the future.
I pop in on some discussions and if I don't get back on for a few days I generally don't bother to look through the threads to find the one I last commented in.
Understandable. What makes it easier in case you didn't know, is when you are looking at the OT section for instance, (not in a thread) over on the far left side there is a very thin line with little arrows. In there is a listing of thread you last posted in, you can return to them more quickly.
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