Continue taking that knee. Weak! Instead of taking a knee, how about standing like a man?



This burnt my nutz the other morning. 7 & 8 year olds kneeling for the National Anthem. They are being led by an ex drug dealer for perspective. He spoke with the kids, and they decided to bend. A child took this upon themselves?

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Let me ask a question about this. What is considered the disrespect part of knelling? Is it against the law or just sign of disrespect?

Personally I'm not offended by it.
U.S. Code › Title 36 › Subtitle I › Part A › Chapter 3 › § 301
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem


(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I will let the ratings of the NFL prove my answer. I will stand when the National Anthem is played. I will mock those that sit, kneel, or shat on standards. I will openly point at those tearing at this nation. If you sit, I point.

I can agree with many of your posts, but not this one. I will leave it at that.

Not my country, but I still agree with your point Tony.

Trump on people literally calling for death to those who are not white at a rally: "Many of them are good people"

Trump on one man taking a knee during a song, peacefully: He is a son of a *****

Our president is literally swearing at people in speeches because they disagree with him, are practicing their constitutional rights to do so. How is that possibly the sign of a good leader?

Sonny, this is just more left wing manufactured rage.

Or did I miss the outrage when President Obama, when commenting on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, said "I'll wait to learn more information about the environmental disaster so I can find out whose ass to kick."???????????????

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Trump on people literally calling for death to those who are not white at a rally: "Many of them are good people" Trump on one man taking a knee during a song, peacefully: He is a son of a ***** Our president is literally swearing at people in speeches because they disagree with him, are practicing their constitutional rights to do so. How is that possibly the sign of a good leader?

Literally.....
The adverb 'literally' means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical.

So you're saying the President said "Go kill people who are not white" at Charlottesville?

Please post the video, somehow I missed it when I was busy......

Addendum...

The best leaders are seldom politically correct. One of their best attributes is knowing when someone needs a swift kick in the arse, be it verbally, or otherwise. Telling it like it is, without pulling punches or softening edges is also good. It's effective. It's clear. It's hard to misunderstand, or twist meaning.

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quote Originally posted by RayOtton: Sonny, this is just more left wing manufactured rage. Or did I miss the outrage when President Obama, when commenting on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, said "I'll wait to learn more information about the environmental disaster so I can find out whose ass to kick."???????????????

Interviews and speeches are completely different. Trump called out someone for kneeling, literally just taking a knee, Obama was angry because oil was carelessly spilled into the gulf, destroying the livelihoods of a ton of Americans.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Interviews and speeches are completely different. Trump called out someone for kneeling, literally just taking a knee, Obama was angry because oil was carelessly spilled into the gulf, destroying the livelihoods of a ton of Americans.

Whoa there Bubba. Back up the bus. First things first.
Where's that video or proof of President Trump advocating killing anyone?

I'm not particularly fond of Donald J. Trump but, until you prove that statement, you are part of the problem.
Putting out false Which, makes me question just about everything you say/post. Just shows your bias and nothing else.

Secondly, I don't have a problem with President Trump calling anyone who refuses to show respect for our flag, our veterans and those who gave all for your and my asses being called an SOB.

I'm a Conservative and quite frankly don't care for several things about President Trump but, I voted for him because my favorite candidates didn't make the final line up and there is/was no way I could standby and let HRC get in. I still maintain that if the Democrats had put up a quality candidate, then the Oval Office would be occupied by a Dem.

I'd say that President Trump is saying what most of the folks who voted for him are thinking. Show that video of President Trump advocating killing and you might get more respect from me on other issues. Or, stop the


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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but …
after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.

I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.

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You must have missed it, It was all over CNN,MSNBC, CBS,ABC, NEW YORK SLIME, WASHINGTON COMPOST. Keep rolling dems because anyone with a brane can see thru the BS. That is why Mr. Trump is President!

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quote Originally posted by Threedog: Trump on people literally calling for death to those who are not white at a rally: "Many of them are good people" ...

Liar.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: ..................Our president is literally swearing at people in speeches...................

FWIW, this is the line that makes your outrage seem so.........................................................FAKE.

Well, fake to us. To you it's head exploding outrage #87.

Look, the left is bleeding voters and they don't know how to stanch the flow but I'll give you guys a tip from Self-Help 101 ('cuz I'm a nice guy).

When you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same thing.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Whoa there Bubba. Back up the bus. First things first. Where's that video or proof of President Trump advocating killing anyone? I'm not particularly fond of Donald J. Trump but, until you prove that statement, you are part of the problem. Putting out false Which, makes me question just about everything you say/post. Just shows your bias and nothing else. Secondly, I don't have a problem with President Trump calling anyone who refuses to show respect for our flag, our veterans and those who gave all for your and my asses being called an SOB. I'm a Conservative and quite frankly don't care for several things about President Trump but, I voted for him because my favorite candidates didn't make the final line up and there is/was no way I could standby and let HRC get in. I still maintain that if the Democrats had put up a quality candidate, then the Oval Office would be occupied by a Dem. I'd say that President Trump is saying what most of the folks who voted for him are thinking. Show that video of President Trump advocating killing and you might get more respect from me on other issues. Or, stop the

When did I say that Trump advocated killing people? All I said is that he claimed there were many "good people" walking with the Neo-Nazi's. I understand why my comment may have been slightly confusing, I'll try to make it easier next time.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Trump on people literally calling for death to those who are not white at a rally: "Many of them are good people"

I didn't say Trump said to kill white people, just that he claimed the people who were calling for it were filled with "many good people".

Besides, thats not the point. The point is that he supported one side protesting, but calls players doing a different protest a "son of a ***** "? That is about as hypocritical as you can get, and totally inappropriate.

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I was taught to take my cap off and stand. Anything less in uncivilized.

Tell us, was this the reason for your recent move?

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I agree that is is a form of disrespect to not to do the proper protocol of the National Anthem.

Why I say it doesn't offend me, because it really doesn't.

I love America, but I'm just not really a fan of classical traditionalist stuff, like Anthem (which I really don't like the song too much anyways), Pledge to Allegiance in all of that. Which really is a product of the 20th Century and not our founding principles anyways.

It just doesn't make me upset if someone kneels or burns the flag. I think it is a bit stupid form of protest, but doesn't make me angry.

Anyways, this is all Liberal media driven. The kneeling during the anthem is basically done to piss off people who want to get upset and gain attention to themselves.

I heard the NFL Commissioner was upset at Trump, saying that "Trump needs to respect the players and the NFL". Really? So the ghetto thug ball players who kneel during the anthem, basically they think it is so "BLM COOL" to do so as a form of an empty protest, for which the media, ESPN and the like loves to zero in on....deserves respect? They don't respect the traditions of America and the spirit of the game. So screw their respect, they don't deserve it.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: When did I say that Trump advocated killing people? All I said is that he claimed there were many "good people" walking with the Neo-Nazi's. I understand why my comment may have been slightly confusing, I'll try to make it easier next time. I didn't say Trump said to kill white people, just that he claimed the people who were calling for it were filled with "many good people".

Tell ya what, I'll work on my reading comprehension if you'll work on your writing. It's much easier for clear and concise communications when we are on the same page. I also agree with President Trump, not everyone there was a Neo Nazi. Additionally, there was significant evidence that the "Progressives/Liberals" were starting a lot of crap also, it wasn't just the Neo Nazi. I personally don't belong or like either group. If both of us had been there, I'm sure I would not have been one of the violent ones but, I do retain the right to defend myself as I expect you would.

Reference disrespecting the national anthem, our flag, veterans who have protected your and my right to free speech, President Trump spoke for me.

If those overpaid rich SOBs Jocks want to do something about some social issue, then let them put their time, efforts and money into making that happen.
If they can't show a minimal amount of respect for the country that gives them their opportunities, then screw them.


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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but …
after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.

I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.

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quote Originally posted by Threedog: I didn't say Trump said to kill white people, just that he claimed the people who were calling for it were filled with "many good people".

He didn't say that either.

We have gone over this with you time after time.

STOP YOUR CONSTANT DISHONESTY

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I can at least respect Wichita for how he sees this. His argument makes sense. Kapernicks not so much.

Here, here is am example of a Kaperturd thought process. Let us know what you think...

quote Originally posted by randye: He didn't say that either. We have gone over this with you time after time. STOP YOUR CONSTANT DISHONESTY

Again, yes he did. He said, quote: "You also had some very fine people on both sides". That is saying that the people marching with the Neo-Nazi's were good people. If the group you are with starts chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "Blood and Soil", and you don't' leave, you are not a "very fine person".

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Tell ya what, I'll work on my reading comprehension if you'll work on your writing. It's much easier for clear and concise communications when we are on the same page. I also agree with President Trump, not everyone there was a Neo Nazi. Additionally, there was significant evidence that the "Progressives/Liberals" were starting a lot of crap also, it wasn't just the Neo Nazi. I personally don't belong or like either group. If both of us had been there, I'm sure I would not have been one of the violent ones but, I do retain the right to defend myself as I expect you would. Reference disrespecting the national anthem, our flag, veterans who have protected your and my right to free speech, President Trump spoke for me. If those overpaid rich SOBs Jocks want to do something about some social issue, then let them put their time, efforts and money into making that happen. If they can't show a minimal amount of respect for the country that gives them their opportunities, then screw them.

First, that was not meant to be a shot at you, seriously. I was actually saying I would make it more clear next time, it was not a personal attack.

If you say "screw them" just because they are expressing views that are different than yours, then you are part of the problem. Everyone should be allowed to express free speech peacefully and be free of attack from our government, and that includes the president. Unless you are inciting violence, a peaceful protest should not fall under criticism from our president. If Antifa or White Supremacists incite violence, Trump should denounce them, but if someone chooses to peacefully protest, that should not be criticized.

Every time there is a riot or civil disobedience I watch this forum erupt in how the protesters/rioters are terrible for destroying their cities. Yet here we have the same thing, in the form a peaceful protest, and again they come under fire from you guys, and the president. What do you want? Do you just want them to shut up completely because you disagree with them? If you want to boycott them, then do it, but the president has NO PLACE going after Americans practicing their right to free speech.

I don't recall Obama going after the Duck Dynasty guys for their views, calling them "sons of a ***** ", I can't imagine the outrage on here if that had happened.

Rioting is not the same as a peaceful protest. Not even close.

You will not silence me with your anti American hatred. I have chosen my free speech. You just cannot handle it.

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quote Originally posted by Threedog: Again, yes he did. He said, quote: "You also had some very fine people on both sides". That is saying that the people marching with the Neo-Nazi's were good people. If the group you are with starts chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "Blood and Soil", and you don't' leave, you are not a "very fine person".

You have a serious problem with honesty don't you kid?

We have been over this so many times with you its getting to be a habit.

You are a well documented habitual liar on this forum.

There are lies of *commission* and there lies of *omission*.

You routinely indulge in both forms of lying and in this instance you once again trying to *omit* part of the truth to suit yourself.


"I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides," Trump said today. "You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides,"

Unlike your words, what the President said is objectively truthful .

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quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Rioting is not the same as a peaceful protest. Not even close. You will not silence me with your anti American hatred. I have chosen my free speech. You just cannot handle it.

Thats my point Tony.

I can understand if you get pissed at people who riot, I may disagree(IMO Malcolm X did just as much for the civil rights movement as MLK), but I can understand the distaste for it.

However, here we have someone who is peacefully protesting, and the same reaction is coming from this forum and from our president. If you are going to attack someone over a peaceful protest just as hard as you will attack people over a riot, it clearly is not because of the type of disagreement, its about the message.

If you stand with Free Speech, you should stand with the people who choose to kneel during the anthem. It is a peaceful form of protest. If you choose to attack them to the same degree as the rioters, then it isn't about the action, its about silencing the message.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: If you stand with Free Speech, you should stand with the people who choose to kneel during the anthem. It is a peaceful form of protest. If you choose to attack them to the same degree as the rioters, then it isn't about the action, its about silencing the message.

They are not being "attacked* you nit wit.

The commentary in question is the suggestion that they should be fired from their job.

Your free speech right ONLY applies to the GOVERNMENT attempting to curtail it.

An employer is within their rights to prohibit any sort of expression that they wish, especially that which is harmful to their business.

If you are somehow suffering under the delusion that you can say or do anything you wish, at any place or time you wish, without any conceivable consequence, then you seriously need to be disabused of that fantasy.

Perhaps you might take a lesson from one of your similarly deluded fellow leftists:

She is now paying the consequences of her "free speech"


https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/121254.html

quote Originally posted by Threedog: ... you should stand with the people who choose to kneel

Aside from the fact that you're a dishonest and confused young man, THAT is a seriously funny line!

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What form of protest is more peaceful than a kneeling of the knee?

It's just a song. And the flag is just a piece of cloth.

Yes, they represent more. They represent our country's foundation of freedom. Freedom that includes freedom of speech. And just like you are allowed to hate someone over kneeling, they are allowed to kneel. Freedom to do something doesn't make you right, though. The act of kneeling doesn't give their ideas validity. Your anger doesn't give validity to yours. That doesn't mean you are wrong, either. Doesn't mean they are. Just that the freedom of speech is just that. It's freedom from persecution for exercising that speech.

Someone kneeling during an anthem is making a (peaceful) statement. They shouldn't be jailed for it. They shouldn't be assaulted for it. They should, perhaps, be asked some questions. "Why are you making that statement? What led to you thinking the way you do? Can we talk about why I think you're wrong?"

Okay, I think we can all agree that Kaepernick shouldn't be jailed for kneeling. Sorry for being a little long-winded, but I'm trying to be as comprehensive here as possible.

Now that he shouldn't be jailed, we need to consider if he should or shouldn't kneel as his form of protest. I have found the best way to know my own beliefs the best is to regularly put myself in the shoes of someone who disagrees with me. When thinking of these questions, put yourself in his shoes. Pretend, for just a moment, that you think the U.S. has a culture that promotes racism. Pretending that you think this, review the following questions:

* Is it a peaceful form of protest?
* Is this form of protest relevant to my beliefs?
* Does it infringe upon anyone else's rights?
* Am I breaking any other laws?
* What other forms of protest could I do - are any of those better options?

Okay, you can be yourself again. I think, if you consider these honestly from his perspective, that you will find that this is truly the best form of protest for his goals. Furthermore, out of all the options he has, he can give the most voice to his belief, while negatively impacting 0 other people. It's the best of all worlds, here. You may not like his form of protest, but it has been effective. If he chose to stand on a street corner, it may have not been as effective. If he blocked a street, it would have impeded on others. If he rioted, it would have broken other laws. If he had just made statements on Twitter, the NFL wouldn't have been a sounding board. If he had burned a flag, it would have been more inflammatory. If he had chugged a gallon of milk (or any other random thing), it just wouldn't be relevant. If he had marched on Washington, it would have been a one-time, unimpactful event. Remember, he has something to say. Simply saying he should not make his voice heard in some way is not a valid answer.

What other form of protest would you recommend someone do?

The primary questions you should walk away with here are:

* What form of protest is more peaceful than a kneeling of the knee?
* Why do I have a problem with him kneeling?

quote Originally posted by randye: Aside from the fact that you're a dishonest and confused young man, THAT is a seriously funny line!

When did I complain about them getting fired or potentially getting fired?

I said it was inappropriate for Trump to call out a peaceful protest as he is the head of our government. That is all I have ever said. Your attempt to belittle me is honestly shallow.

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: It's just a song. And the flag is just a piece of cloth.

And you're just a dumbass.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: .....The point is that he supported one side protesting.....

"I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides," Trump said today. "You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides,"

Now that it is manifestly obvious that you were lying, just man up and admit it.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Your attempt to belittle me is honestly shallow.

I didn't "attempt" to belittle you. I *literally* did.

I also ridiculed you and I called you a liar and you deserve every bit of it.

As long as you continue to come to this forum and are as blatantly dishonest as you have routinely been I will continue to belittle and ridicule you and call you the LIAR that you are.

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I have no problem with a member of the audience protesting by taking a knee.

However, a player or coach taking a knee is bringing politics into their workplace.

Politics doesn't belong in the workplace. Period.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: First, that was not meant to be a shot at you, seriously. I was actually saying I would make it more clear next time, it was not a personal attack.

I don't pretend to be a creative writer, nor do I feel like I express myself any better than an average high school graduate. I try to be clear and concise in what I put down on paper or post here. I did not perceive your post as a personal attack and hope you did not take my posts as an attack on anything but your position on this topic. It is sometimes difficult to fully understand another person's perspective or intent being expressed with the written word.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: If you say "screw them" just because they are expressing views that are different than yours, then you are part of the problem. Everyone should be allowed to express free speech peacefully and be free of attack from our government, and that includes the president. Unless you are inciting violence, a peaceful protest should not fall under criticism from our president. If Antifa or White Supremacists incite violence, Trump should denounce them, but if someone chooses to peacefully protest, that should not be criticized.

So, I'm not allowed to express my thoughts on their protest? Hmm, interesting standard you have. I am not allowed to express my own views on this protest? To better explain my position, I really don't care if those folks wish to make a statement or protest the issues that concern them. My problem is the manner in which they do it. Disrespecting our national anthem, flag and those who have served is the same as me pissing on your parents (or anyone's) grave at their funeral in front of the family and friends who are in attendance. It's inappropriate and anyone committing such an offense does so knowing it's going to piss off a lot of people and not solve any issues.

It's all about perspective on who and what the President was denouncing. Based on the reports I heard and read, there were violent clashes from both the Antifa and Neo Nazis present. This Freedom of Speech march was attended by many, some were good people on both sides of the issues. Yet, it seems you only denounce one side of this. Do you believe that everyone involved in that Freedom of Speech march was a Neo Nazi? Or, can you allow the concept that not all were Neo Nazis to even be considered?

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Every time there is a riot or civil disobedience I watch this forum erupt in how the protesters/rioters are terrible for destroying their cities. Yet here we have the same thing, in the form a peaceful protest, and again they come under fire from you guys, and the president. What do you want? Do you just want them to shut up completely because you disagree with them? If you want to boycott them, then do it, but the president has NO PLACE going after Americans practicing their right to free speech.

Boycott them I shall. They have the resources to do much more with their wealth and efforts but, they want everyone else to give or pay. Reminds me of the Democrats Platform put forth by the fat cats. Yet, those professional players only do things that are for show and don't invest their personal resources into the issues. Screw them.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: I don't recall Obama going after the Duck Dynasty guys for their views, calling them "sons of a ***** ", I can't imagine the outrage on here if that had happened.

President Obama did so many things that damaged this nation, I would run out of battery power if I put down all the ways he disappointed, frustrated or angered and outraged me but, I will agree, he didn't knock Duck Dynasty to my knowledge. I'm not sure he was even aware of that show/group of people (I've only heard of that show, never viewed it), he was too busy inviting terrorists, socialists and other people to the White House that wanted to destroy the fabric of this nations flag to have noticed DD.

But, back to the topic at hand, I do wish President Trump would lay off the tweet thing. IMHO, all he does is give his enemies more ammunition to go after him. Those jerks who wish to disrespect our flag, the anthem and those who have served, fought and died for this nation (flag) can kiss my ass if they think I'll watch them play their game or in anyway financially support their efforts. Combined, they have tremendous resources to make social change without pissing on another's grave.

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Pretty succinct post for a high school grad.

I do disagree on one thing.

In the beginning Mr. Trump used Twitter injudiciously. I too wished he would just drop it.

However, now I see the brilliance of the strategy.

He has the great unwashed firmly behind him, not so much for his polices, but because he correctly read their anger and frustration with the progressive movement. Now every time he pokes the Leftist bear it reaffirms what supporters have been thinking for nigh on a generation.

What do the Leftists do? The only thing they can, which is outrage and silly protests over the minutest slights. Which leads to more loss of political power as the electorate watches their antics with a mixture of horror and amusement.

Again, Self-Help 101 states - If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results.

That works negatively for the Left and positively for Mr. Trump.

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: I have no problem with a member of the audience protesting by taking a knee. However, a player or coach taking a knee is bringing politics into their workplace. Politics doesn't belong in the workplace. Period.

No. If these NFL games that begin with a televised rendition of the National Anthem were as ordinary as a "workplace" for the players, then they wouldn't be performing the National Anthem and having military jets fly over the stadiums before every game. How many people in the United States are required to be part of a National Anthem ceremony at the start of their work day--or even their work week?

People who stand up for the National Anthem are offering a gesture that is just as political in its way as the NFL players who take a knee or link their arms and look downwards instead of looking straight ahead, or looking directly at the flag or at the people who are carrying the flag as part of the pregame ceremony, or looking at the planes that are flying overhead.

I also think that Donald Trump brings a lot of things into his workplace--the Presidency of the United States--which have nothing to do with the office of the Presidency. He knows that anything he puts out on Twitter (for example) is going to command supersized public attention, regardless of whether he uses the official POTUS Twitter account or his personal "realDonaldTrump" Twitter account.

I don't think that the President will see any positive returns for himself or for his supporters by inserting himself into this National Anthem thing in the very aggressive and sharp-tongued way that he did at that rally in Huntsville.

But--that's just my prediction. They still have to have the elections. Paraphrasing the sports commentator bromide that comes in association with this team or that team being predicted to win. "That's why they still play the games."

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So much to say...

Again, my flag. The cloth that I look up to, and have for over 45 years. If another disrespects it, and you deny my right to defend that disrespect, then you are my enemy. We have long standing laws that protect our right to speak up against those that choose to go against OUR way of life.

It does not matter if the stupidity of Threepup, or the calm response from Rinselberg comes, it is them denying US the ability to stand. I can not be moved.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: No. If these NFL games that begin with a televised rendition of the National Anthem were as ordinary as a "workplace" for the players, then they wouldn't be performing the National Anthem and having military jets fly over the stadiums before every game. How many people in the United States are required to be part of a National Anthem ceremony at the start of their work day--or even their work week? People who stand up for the National Anthem are offering a gesture that is just as political in its way as the NFL players who take a knee or link their arms and look downwards instead of looking straight ahead, or looking directly at the flag or at the people who are carrying the flag as part of the pregame ceremony, or looking at the planes that are flying overhead. I also think that Donald Trump brings a lot of things into his workplace--the Presidency of the United States--which have nothing to do with the office of the Presidency. He knows that anything he puts out on Twitter (for example) is going to command supersized public attention, regardless of whether he uses the official POTUS Twitter account or his personal "realDonaldTrump" Twitter account. I don't think that the President will see any positive returns for himself or for his supporters by inserting himself into this National Anthem thing in the very aggressive and sharp-tongued way that he did at that rally in Huntsville. But--that's just my prediction. They still have to have the elections. Paraphrasing the sports commentator bromide that comes in association with this team or that team being predicted to win. "That's why they still play the games."

Your opinion is just as valid as mine, however I disagree with you assessment of the situation.

Have a good day.

See?

Another acorn.

quote Originally posted by Threedog: Thats my point Tony. I can understand if you get pissed at people who riot, I may disagree(IMO Malcolm X did just as much for the civil rights movement as MLK), but I can understand the distaste for it. However, here we have someone who is peacefully protesting, and the same reaction is coming from this forum and from our president. If you are going to attack someone over a peaceful protest just as hard as you will attack people over a riot, it clearly is not because of the type of disagreement, its about the message. If you stand with Free Speech, you should stand with the people who choose to kneel during the anthem. It is a peaceful form of protest. If you choose to attack them to the same degree as the rioters, then it isn't about the action, its about silencing the message. Click to show

Here is your antifa as of yesterday. Feel free Threedog to review this video. I know you will not, and there is no defense for it. THIS is you fault.

So the left marches with the flag of the Soviet Union, all the while complaining that Russia helped elect the government they oppose. I am so confused.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: So the left marches with the flag of the Soviet Union, all the while complaining that Russia helped elect the government they oppose. I am so confused.

I was thinking about this the other day and I'm still confused. Many Liberals wanted the US to allow the UN to represent a World Government for the betterment of the entire world (they said). Well, if the Russia stuff is true, then I'd say they got a lot of what they asked for.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but …
after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.

I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.