^^ see it blocks it, here it was @$$HOLE what did you think it was..??
<edit> hours later and still crickets from dubster, come on post what you though the fill in the blank was.. or you shy now that your automatic racist mind went to a word that is a slur depending on the users skin tone..
Lol. I wasn't online, ******* . I honestly thought, with you saying I should go to Africa where they'll sell me to slavery, you were going somewhere else with the ____. Yes, the same word you thought I thought you were saying. But I wanted to have you tell me, because I wasn't going to make that assumption and defame your character without confirmation. I'm not that much of an ******* .
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Everything is a joke, acting, or made up with you liberals.
I use the mad emoji because it is frustrating. It is mental abuse for me to have to weed through absolute fake shat to come up with true history and facts. The liberal left are the OG snowflakes, yet your mental capacity is just "neener, neener, neener." Can we not work with truths to rid our political system of ALL the real jokers?
Fake is how I see you ...
The snowflakes being offended in this scenario are the people who think the kneeling is about veterans and/or the military when it is not about that, and has been stated multiple times to not be about that.
I try my hardest to operate within 100% objective truth when I can. That means countering biases that I hold. That means being aware of the heuristics that I am applying to any stated beliefs, to make sure I'm not using them incorrectly. If I have been found wanting for facts, please correct me (with facts), and I will definitely input those facts into my beliefs and possibly change them. I have gotten to where I am today by operating this way, and always questioning things to find the truth.
EDIT: I also want to say, I understand that everyone is going to come to different conclusions. That's because some things, like this, operate outside of objective truth. The key is to apply truth where you can, and draw from there. I hold no malice towards anyone who thinks differently (like you, Tony). I do not like quite a few people, and I know many that don't like me. Those people earned my dislike by the way they communicate, never the actual content or beliefs they hold. I know others don't like me (in real life) because of quite a few character flaws that I am always working on. Hopefully, I improve on them in time.
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Trump on people literally calling for death to those who are not white at a rally: "Many of them are good people"
Trump on one man taking a knee during a song, peacefully: He is a son of a *****
Our president is literally swearing at people in speeches because they disagree with him, are practicing their constitutional rights to do so. How is that possibly the sign of a good leader?
Maybe you shouldn't exclusively follow left wing media with their edited and biased "information". Does anyone else remember the Foxnews report several years back about CNN and MSNBC video editing Republicans to make the look racist?
If we don't learn from history, we will repeat it.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
I will let the ratings of the NFL prove my answer. I will stand when the National Anthem is played. I will mock those that sit, kneel, or shat on standards. I will openly point at those tearing at this nation. If you sit, I point.
I can agree with many of your posts, but not this one. I will leave it at that.
Maybe you shouldn't exclusively follow left wing media with their edited and biased "information". Does anyone else remember the Foxnews report several years back about CNN and MSNBC video editing Republicans to make the look racist?
If we don't learn from history, we will repeat it. .
Yup the liberal media is great for this take a statement and clip it to a sound bite that takes the statement out of context and the sheeple eat it up..
Hmmmmmm, comments like "Doesn't have a squeaky clean track record", and "done things from questionable to outright illegal" sound like some guy zipping around the interstate at 140MPH, not the criminal thugs that they are.
Would you like to rephrase?
BTW, the 1930 Nazis weren't the 1940 Nazis.
Since BLM's stated goal is overturning the Constitution do you think that validating their message now is going to change that goal in ten years? If you do, search "Neville Chamberlain" and then get back to us.
Next, if they did get stronger over the next ten year period, as the Nazis did, do you think it would end well for them? Before you answer, recall that we don't have and never will have the zealous gun control that Germany had in the '30's.
I'm not sure a rephrase is necessary but I can expand that for you. "Doesn't have a squeaky clean track record" Their record is not "clean" in the sense that they are not and have not been infallible nor free of wrong doing. I further clarify that some of what they have done is merely questionable while other activities they have partaken in were outright illegal.
Can you provide me a source for the bolded section? Admittedly I do not follow everything that organization does so I may have missed that. A quick google search of "BLM overturn constitution)" did not provide any direct results for me that indicated that. I'm happy to read more and respond with given context.
Can you provide me a source for the bolded section? Admittedly I do not follow everything that organization does so I may have missed that. A quick google search of "BLM overturn constitution)" did not provide any direct results for me that indicated that. I'm happy to read more and respond with given context.
Ok, I'll help you this one time. After that you can do your own searching.
But first, a couple of tips.
1 - Don't use Google for searching as they have been proven to suppress info that runs contrary to their political opinions. Plus they are not above sharing your search parameters with, well, everyone. Instead use Duck Duck Go or Startpage.
2 - Try a few different phrasings before deciding that your search results were fruitless. In this case, using "BLM" rather than "Black Lives Matter" returns pages on info on the (B)ureau of (L)and (M)anagement.
So anyhow, a proper search brought up this article -
It's being reported that the NFL owners are discussing a plan to ban kneeling by players during the national anthem.
Hate to tell you this boys but, the barn door was left open and the cows are gone.
This is not about what NFL owners should do, they could have stopped it early on but didn't want to go against he PC police.
A little late now.
Really don't want the NFL owners to make such a rule now, it's too frigg'n late. Now, if those players won't stand and show respect to our flag and anthem on their own, screw them. They need fans way more than the fans need them.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
It's being reported that the NFL owners are discussing a plan to ban kneeling by players during the national anthem.
Hate to tell you this boys but, the barn door was left open and the cows are gone.
This is not about what NFL owners should do, they could have stopped it early on but didn't want to go against he PC police.
A little late now.
Really don't want the NFL owners to make such a rule now, it's too frigg'n late. Now, if those players won't stand and show respect to our flag and anthem on their own, screw them. They need fans way more than the fans need them.
If you don't enforce the rules you have/had or pick and choose those you do enforce. How do you take any of it serious. I say remove all tax support for the teams and owners and let public opinion take care of it once and for all.
If you don't enforce the rules you have/had or pick and choose those you do enforce. How do you take any of it serious. I say remove all tax support for the teams and owners and let public opinion take care of it once and for all.
Agreed
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
The snowflakes being offended in this scenario are the people who think the kneeling is about veterans and/or the military when it is not about that, and has been stated multiple times to not be about that.
Seriously. How many things is it about now? I've asked once already. The protest was about one thing, then another, and then yet another... But you say it's definitely not about this one thing...
Seriously. How many things is it about now? I've asked once already. The protest was about one thing, then another, and then yet another... But you say it's definitely not about this one thing...
Brad
You've asked once already and I responded. It has been about one thing from the start. It's not their fault that you try and apply other things to it. It's about police violence against Blacks, and a culture that doesn't care enough about it to do something about it.
When President Trump said they should be fired, many players kneeled out of solidarity. It still wasn't about Trump. It was about the original message. But what Trump said inspired many to pick a side.
It has never been about veterans. It's never been about the military. It's never been about the national anthem being racist. I don't know why you think this is about a bunch of issues. Where are you getting that from? Just google "Why are NFL players kneeling?" and you'll get the same answer I've been saying this whole time. I don't understand the confusion at all.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
I am not a snowflake. I get it, you want to be tough, but just no.
I really do love this internet shat, but I ****ing absolutely enjoy meeting folks in person.
How are those ratings that I mentioned in the beginning doing?
Enjoy your day folks...
It's not about being tough, Tony. The players kneeling aren't "special snowflakes." Protesting in itself doesn't make someone a snowflake. Snowflake is referring to someone being a "special snowflake" who things they're some super special case. Typically it's referring to people who get offended over everything, because they make every mundane thing about them. These players... aren't doing that. They are protesting police violence against Blacks. That's a systemic issue--doesn't make them a snowflake for pointing it out.
The reason I say people getting offended about this are snowflakes is because I'm sticking to the original idea of the word. They're taking this protest about police violence against Blacks, and making it about something else. They're getting offended over something that doesn't impact their lives at all, that isn't referring to them at all. That, by definition, makes them a snowflake. This isn't some tough-guy name-calling. I wouldn't mind meeting you in person either! I'm quite pleasant to meet, and I'm sure you are too! It's just a statement based on the original idea behind calling someone a snowflake. Again, I'll quote what I said above:
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Originally posted by theBDub:
I try my hardest to operate within 100% objective truth when I can. That means countering biases that I hold. That means being aware of the heuristics that I am applying to any stated beliefs, to make sure I'm not using them incorrectly. If I have been found wanting for facts, please correct me (with facts), and I will definitely input those facts into my beliefs and possibly change them. I have gotten to where I am today by operating this way, and always questioning things to find the truth.
If anything I have said so far is wrong, correct me. It won't offend me at all.
Edit: I am absolutely offended by their disrespect for the Flag. **** them.
@ BDub...
Just tired of all of the empty threats by the left. See the eminem video. That is not entertainment, it is politics. Hence the statement by me of not being able to be moved. I am the 95%.
Good luck with the leftist mantra. If you cannot see the corruption of history, defined terms, and prosecution of patriotism, then you are the problem Brandon. I am not creating divide. Most in America are not creating divide. The left are. Matthew Mathers drew a line. Go BET.
Rant officially off the chain.
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The snowflakes being offended in this scenario are the people who think the kneeling is about veterans and/or the military when it is not about that, and has been stated multiple times to not be about that.
Obviously, perspective is ultimately important.
What you don't seem to understand or be able to process is, those "snowflakes" you're offending, are the same folks that have served and fought for your right to be disrespectful.
Being honest, it took me a couple of days to settle down and not go off on you for this statement. But, you really don't have a clue. You haven't been there, you haven't done that, everything you think you know, have the right to do or say is because, someone else protected, preserved and gave it to you. I don't mean that as you don't deserve to speak your mind but, the honest truth is, you haven't earned squat for yourself in this arena.
If I may, let me suggest that for some unknown reason, I show up at one of your loved ones funerals and whip it out and piss on the grave/burial site. My reasons for doing this may have nothing to do with you but, I have my reasons. You, for some unknown reason, get upset because I'm pissing on your loved one's grave. You don't care why and you don't give a damn about my hurt feelings. Just as I don't give a damn about your issues. They/you/I should have thought this out and taken a different path to protest my issue. But, that doesn't really matter to you, all you see is me pissing on your loved one's grave.
I doubt you'll agree with the sentiment but, that's the best analogy I can come up with.
I really don't give a damn what their issue is at this point. Screw the NFL and it's players. They need me one hell of a lot more than I need them.
Edited: You can call me or we "Snowflakes" anything you want, doesn't really matter at this point. What you seem to not understand is, you've crossed the line, one that can not be un-crossed. We don't give a damn about what ever issue you had. You pissed on the graves of some people that gave you the right to protest. That was un-called for.
Being a person that believes that we are all responsible for our own decisions and actions, I'm holding the NFL and it's players responsible for their decisions and actions. I've not watched and NFL game past the playing of the national anthem since this disrespectful crap started. That is not to insinuate that they/you don't have that right but, I also have to right to hit you in the wallet. I'm doing everything I can to make the biggest impact I can make in this area. I've contacted several NFL sponsors and let them know how I view this and will not watch any NFL game past the point that I determine some ass wipe knelt during the anthem. My right also.
The networks are trying to get past this by not showing or discussing the "protest". So, that forces me to use the internet during each game I try to watch and do a little research. So far, I haven't been able to watch more than about 3 minutes of a game. Once I determined the "protest" proceeded, I switch to something else and I'm letting the sponsors know that.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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what make our nation great and far too many do not understand it is not enforced respect for a flag but that we can disrespect symbols without consequences from our government
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
I still say the NFL fracked up and underestimated their audience and fans. The NFL has a rule stating that players stand for the National Anthem. Because the NFL isn't a public entity, it's the NFL's choice whether or not they enforce that rule. However, by being in the public eye as they are, by not enforcing that rule, they may turn off their fans for what I think are one of two reasons. The first is the crowd who think that, protest all you want, but don't do it during the National Anthem because the optics of it look disrespectful. Some of these people even agree with the reason for the protest, just not the timing. That will be their opinion whether anyone agrees with it or not. The other crowd is the people who just want to tune in to see a football game and not a protest. The political parties have taken sides on this matter and therefore have made the issue a political one. After last year's contentious election and how crazy it's been since, I'm guessing a lot of people are just sick of politics becoming involved in absolutely every aspect of our lives. Now that the NFL has taken a "yuge" hit in their ratings, it sounds like they're rethinking their strategy. The NFL and their players can do as they please, but they also need to remember that their fans can do the same.
what make our nation great and far too many do not understand it is not enforced respect for a flag but that we can disrespect symbols without consequences from our government
This is absolutely true and thank God for it.
However, the consequences of the players actions are coming from private citizens, NOT the government.
It's not like Mr. Trump is sending in the National Guard to force the players to stand.
That happens and we have a problem. A big problem.
what make our nation great and far too many do not understand it is not enforced respect for a flag but that we can disrespect symbols without consequences from our government
I fully agree.............
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Originally posted by RayOtton:
This is absolutely true and thank God for it.
However, the consequences of the players actions are coming from private citizens, NOT the government.
It's not like Mr. Trump is sending in the National Guard to force the players to stand.
That happens and we have a problem. A big problem.
Quoted because, it's true. President Trumps tweets are in fact, only his opinions. On this one, I fully agree. Can't say that about all his tweets.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
What you don't seem to understand or be able to process is, those "snowflakes" you're offending, are the same folks that have served and fought for your right to be disrespectful.
Being honest, it took me a couple of days to settle down and not go off on you for this statement. But, you really don't have a clue. You haven't been there, you haven't done that, everything you think you know, have the right to do or say is because, someone else protected, preserved and gave it to you. I don't mean that as you don't deserve to speak your mind but, the honest truth is, you haven't earned squat for yourself in this arena.
If I may, let me suggest that for some unknown reason, I show up at one of your loved ones funerals and whip it out and piss on the grave/burial site. My reasons for doing this may have nothing to do with you but, I have my reasons. You, for some unknown reason, get upset because I'm pissing on your loved one's grave. You don't care why and you don't give a damn about my hurt feelings. Just as I don't give a damn about your issues. They/you/I should have thought this out and taken a different path to protest my issue. But, that doesn't really matter to you, all you see is me pissing on your loved one's grave.
I doubt you'll agree with the sentiment but, that's the best analogy I can come up with.
I really don't give a damn what their issue is at this point. Screw the NFL and it's players. They need me one hell of a lot more than I need them.
Edited: You can call me or we "Snowflakes" anything you want, doesn't really matter at this point. What you seem to not understand is, you've crossed the line, one that can not be un-crossed. We don't give a damn about what ever issue you had. You pissed on the graves of some people that gave you the right to protest. That was un-called for.
Being a person that believe that we are all responsible for our own decisions and actions, I'm holding the NFL and it's players responsible for their decisions and actions. I've not watched and NFL game past the playing of the national anthem since this disrespectful crap started. That is not to insinuate that they/you don't have that right but, I also have to right to hit you in the wallet. I'm doing everything I can to make the biggest impact I can make in this area. I've contacted several NFL sponsors and let them know how I view this and will not watch any NFL game past the point that I determine some ass wipe knelt during the anthem. My right also.
The networks are trying to get past this by not showing or discussing the "protest". So, that forces me to use the internet during each game I try to watch and do a little research. So far, I haven't been able to watch more than about 3 minutes of a game. Once I determined the "protest" proceeded, I switch to something else and I'm letting the sponsors know that.
Firstly, I want to say that I respect the respect that you brought to the table with this post. In the following, I will disagree with you, but I do appreciate the respect you have always had. A level head is always a valuable asset to have.
Being a veteran does not make someone worth more than another. They are not shielded from criticism. They can be incorrect. I understand that kneeling is offensive to some veterans. I understand they went and fought to protect my right to be able to speak out for the protests. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with them on the issue.
When you say "I don't mean that as you don't deserve to speak your mind but, the honest truth is, you haven't earned squat for yourself in this arena," I think you forget that the United States believes all citizens are born with inalienable rights. These rights are protected by some, yes, and America defends (most of) these rights with fervor, but it is an inalienable right. I didn't earn it, you didn't earn it. It's a right that we have because we are born as human. That's really the brunt of it.
What else you're missing in your analogy, is that you are perceiving someone pissing on a grave, but they aren't. A more honest analogy would've been that you are at a funeral for your loved one. You finish up the funeral and head to the bar with your family to reminisce together. You see some drunk idiot pissing on the wall of the bar as you're walking in, and you get offended because it's the day of your loved one's funeral, and you perceive this as disrespect.
You can perceive it that way. Nobody can tell you differently. But the truth is, he isn't pissing on any grave. He's pissing on a wall of a bar.
You're more than welcome to never go to that bar again. You're welcome to feel hatred towards the drunk pisser. But at the end of the day, it just doesn't make a lot of sense for you to do so based on the perceived injustice, because it wasn't truly an injustice.
That's really the only reason I'm continuing this discussion. You're all more than welcome to vote with your wallet. Practice that right! Never watch another NFL game with a protest. You'll never have me stop you. But I will let you know that I think your reasons are unreasonable. I'll give you my opinion because I think it's relevant to your complaints. But if you don't want that opinion, that's totally fine. It's very clear some people here don't. I'm less than them, in their eyes. They can think that. They're wrong--I'm not any less than you or them. But they can think that.
Firstly, I want to say that I respect the respect that you brought to the table with this post. In the following, I will disagree with you, but I do appreciate the respect you have always had. A level head is always a valuable asset to have.
Being a veteran does not make someone worth more than another. They are not shielded from criticism. They can be incorrect. I understand that kneeling is offensive to some veterans. I understand they went and fought to protect my right to be able to speak out for the protests. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with them on the issue.
When you say "I don't mean that as you don't deserve to speak your mind but, the honest truth is, you haven't earned squat for yourself in this arena," I think you forget that the United States believes all citizens are born with inalienable rights. These rights are protected by some, yes, and America defends (most of) these rights with fervor, but it is an inalienable right. I didn't earn it, you didn't earn it. It's a right that we have because we are born as human. That's really the brunt of it.
What else you're missing in your analogy, is that you are perceiving someone pissing on a grave, but they aren't. A more honest analogy would've been that you are at a funeral for your loved one. You finish up the funeral and head to the bar with your family to reminisce together. You see some drunk idiot pissing on the wall of the bar as you're walking in, and you get offended because it's the day of your loved one's funeral, and you perceive this as disrespect.
You can perceive it that way. Nobody can tell you differently. But the truth is, he isn't pissing on any grave. He's pissing on a wall of a bar.
You're more than welcome to never go to that bar again. You're welcome to feel hatred towards the drunk pisser. But at the end of the day, it just doesn't make a lot of sense for you to do so based on the perceived injustice, because it wasn't truly an injustice.
That's really the only reason I'm continuing this discussion. You're all more than welcome to vote with your wallet. Practice that right! Never watch another NFL game with a protest. You'll never have me stop you. But I will let you know that I think your reasons are unreasonable. I'll give you my opinion because I think it's relevant to your complaints. But if you don't want that opinion, that's totally fine. It's very clear some people here don't. I'm less than them, in their eyes. They can think that. They're wrong--I'm not any less than you or them. But they can think that.
Whether we agree or not is really not the issue. The fact is, this discussion and essentially, this quoted post is proof that the whole protest was misguided and ill conceived. We're not even talking about the issues the protest was about. What was the original issue, ice cream? Proof that the protestors should have taken a different path. This protest sure as hell hasn't changed many if any opinions. If the goal was to piss off most of the country, then the goal was achieved. So what's the point of continuing the kneeling protest? Because they can............... It sure as hell hasn't changed my attitude on what my favorite flavor of ice cream is. BPIC!!!
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Welp, here you go. Trump selfishly ignoring "Retreat" played on the base he was giving an interview on. Even commenting saying "Is that for you or for me?"
Originally posted by blackrams: Whether we agree or not is really not the issue. The fact is, this discussion and essentially, this quoted post is proof that the whole protest was misguided and ill conceived. We're not even talking about the issues the protest was about. What was the original issue, ice cream? Proof that the protestors should have taken a different path. This protest sure as hell hasn't changed many if any opinions. If the goal was to piss off most of the country, then the goal was achieved. So what's the point of continuing the kneeling protest? Because they can............... It sure as hell hasn't changed my attitude on what my favorite flavor of ice cream is. BPIC!!!
Maybe that's true--the issue isn't as discussed as the protest itself. On the other hand, even if only 10% of the conversation is about the reasons, it's 10% of almost the whole country talking as opposed to 100% of less than 10% of the country talking. I don't know if this was the right call or not, but it may have been. Just depends on the numbers. I'll agree this conversation about the methods has kind of run its course though. Thanks again.
Welp, here you go. Trump selfishly ignoring "Retreat" played on the base he was giving an interview on. Even commenting saying "Is that for you or for me?"
I really can't imagine something more hypocritical and selfishly unaware than this. However I am interested to see how people here defend him for it.
By the way, this is a video of Robin Williams, actually having respect for our flag.
Threedog, My lord you're reaching.
I read about this early this morning. President Trump didn't know what "Retreat" was all about. OK, before I joined the military, I didn't really understand either. He even asked if that bugle was for himself or, the host. Get a grip man. I know you hate President Trump but good lord man. This is just silly.
Shall we discuss President Obama's breaches of tradition? Nope, let's not go there.
I am curious though, do you own and drive a Fiero? Would love to see pics of it. I ask this because I looked at your threads/postings, couldn't find one mention of a Fiero that you might own. Did I miss something? Most of us discuss our Fiero(s) once in a while. Couldn't find any where you posted anything except "social issues". Do you have a Fiero or are you here to stir the pot? Seriously, I'm curious.
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I read about this early this morning. President Trump didn't know what "Retreat" was all about. OK, before I joined the military, I didn't really understand either. He even asked if that bugle was for himself or, the host. Get a grip man. I know you hate President Trump but good lord man. This is just silly.
Shall we discuss President Obama's breaches of tradition? Nope, let's not go there.
I am curious though, do you own and drive a Fiero? Would love to see pics of it. I ask this because I looked at your threads/postings, couldn't find one mention of a Fiero that you might own. Did I miss something? Most of us discuss our Fiero(s) once in a while. Couldn't find any where you posted anything except "social issues". Do you have a Fiero or are you here to stir the pot? Seriously, I'm curious.
So, your defense for the commander in chief thinking that retreat was being played for him, and ignoring the tons of people around him standing, is that he is too stupid to know this? You mean the same president that went to a military academy and is criticizing NFL players for kneeling? And Robin Williams was smart enough to recognize it, but our president is not?
You support a president that does not have the common decency to respect our troops and learn the rules of a Military Base before stepping foot in one?
Also, seriously about the Fiero? You must not be looking very hard. Not only did I start a thread about my Fiero last week, but if you simply googled my name almost every post is about my car, not politics. Ironically, if I do the same thing for your name I have to go to a second page before I find anything about a Fiero..
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So, your defense for the commander in chief thinking that retreat was being played for him, and ignoring the tons of people around him standing, is that he is too stupid to know this? You mean the same president that went to a military academy and is criticizing NFL players for kneeling? And Robin Williams was smart enough to recognize it, but our president is not?
You support a president that does not have the common decency to respect our troops and learn the rules of a Military Base before stepping foot in one?
Also, seriously about the Fiero? You must not be looking very hard. Not only did I start a thread about my Fiero last week, but if you simply googled my name almost every post is about my car, not politics. Ironically, if I do the same thing for your name I have to go to a second page before I find anything about a Fiero..
Like I said, I think you are really reaching but, that's OK.
Thanks for enlightening me about your Fiero. Must have missed that one post. Yeah, I don't work on them much any more, I've had 19 of them and busted too many knuckles. Mine get driven weekly or bi-weekly. One is a stock 88 Formula T Top car, the other is an 88 Formula with a 3800SC. Regardless, I'm glad to know you are actually a Fiero owner.
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You've asked once already and I responded. It has been about one thing from the start. It's not their fault that you try and apply other things to it. It's about police violence against Blacks, and a culture that doesn't care enough about it to do something about it.
When President Trump said they should be fired, many players kneeled out of solidarity. It still wasn't about Trump. It was about the original message. But what Trump said inspired many to pick a side.
It has never been about veterans. It's never been about the military. It's never been about the national anthem being racist. I don't know why you think this is about a bunch of issues. Where are you getting that from? Just google "Why are NFL players kneeling?" and you'll get the same answer I've been saying this whole time. I don't understand the confusion at all.
I'm tired and about to go to bed, but when I get a chance I'll google this up. I bet I can find at least three different reasons on the first page.
The snowflakes being offended in this scenario are the people who think the kneeling is about veterans and/or the military when it is not about that, and has been stated multiple times to not be about that.
I'm not going to read this whole thing (edit: as in, all 7 pages), but having worked in the NFL for almost a decade, I feel I have a bit more of a vested interest in this stuff than most people do.
I want to ensure I am clear with my thoughts on what I'm about to say.
I demand that players stand for the national anthem... if I am going to be a participant, as a fan, in the National Football League.
But put that aside for a minute. There has been a long-driven goal by the "extreme" side of the Democrat party, to destroy the NFL. We used to talk about this regularly at NFL meetings (without the owners), and it's well understood. So we're clear, we're talking about the far-left... the Communist / extremely Socialist side of the Democrat party. The ones where their views change on the direction of the wind, who are offended by everything.
The NFL exemplifies the stereotypes that they abhor about America: - Wealth / Capitalism - Patriotism - Machismo / Gender-Roles (Cheerleaders and Players) - Meritocracy
The alt-left has waged a war on the NFL for almost a decade now by exacerbating issues: - Domestic Violence (there is a smaller % domestic violence than society as a whole) - Brain Injuries (why focus on NFL? What about boxing? And who goes into the NFL thinking they're not going to get injured?) - Tax Exempt Status (Democrats have long fought (and won) to get rid of it.) - Federal Tax Benefits (0% interest bonds, etc)
... and now, the American flag. Ratings have been going down year-after-year as younger and younger parents are averse to allowing their children join football teams because it's too dangerous or it goes against their views as a "concerned citizen."
I would say that both Republicans AND Democrats were "trolled" here by the Alt-Left.
Let us not mistake for a minute, that Colin Kaepernick was an avowed Communist, and while switching off between Che Guevarra and Fidel Castro shirts during his press conferences, expressed his praise for Fidel.
Those of us who are raised in families that have appreciated the opportunities that our country has provided to us, have learned to respect the flag. The flag represents, to people like me, the founding fathers, the signing of the Constitution, and every relative that I have that has fought in the military.
I don't CARE honestly, what the flag means to other people... or if they don't think it's bad to kneel during the anthem. I don't care if someone says it's about free speech, and that they aren't trying to offend the military. I don't care. It OFFENDS me. I'm rarely offended.
If you take a **** on my door step, tell me it's about free speech and equality... don't be surprised when I'm offended because... well... you took a **** on my doorstep.
Democrats constantly do this stuff and we as Americans are expected to "roll our eyes" and just ignore it, and assume it'll go away. The reason why Donald Trump won the election is because people were tired of our politicians rolling their eyes for fear that they would offend. Trump calling out the NFL players kneeling is the VERY REASON why he was elected. He has become our voice for the rest of us who have been ignored for so many years.
I don't live in a trailer, I'm not a coal miner, and I'm not Joe the plumber. But I am an American, and I'm tired of Democrats slowly eroding away at what makes America great... our patriotism, our economic freedom, and being the most successful multi-cultural nation in the world... despite a history of the KKK, eugenics, and interment camps (all done by Democrats).
In the end though, the Democrats won... they did the SAME THING to the NFL that they did to NASA. They pit both sides against eachother, and now everyone hates the NFL, and there goes my NFL pension that I have... but who cares. I'd rather America win on her ideals, than me get that $1,000 a month when I retire.
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If you had said, uninformed, unknowing or even ignorant of military traditions, I could have agreed. The President is by no means stupid. While I definitely don't agree with his predecessor on a vast majority of things, I didn't and don't think he was stupid. Nice try though.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
I think his "mental state" is best described as 'involved'.
The media creates (well, tries) to present a picture of a lunatic in the White House, when actually the man is doing his level best to do the job as it is described in the Constitution. Now, there's a thought....
This man has the audacity to exercise his First Amendment right of speech via Twitter. Not with a #POTUS, far from it....#therealdonaldtrump; his name. How un-Presidential say the critics. How refreshing says the rest of us. He is talking directly to the people. The 24-hour, multi-channel news industry has created a LOT of people that are paid to talk. They gotta talk about something, and controversy sells. Ratings. Dinero. Dollars.
Meanwhile, we got a guy in the Oval Office who truly loves the opportunity that America represents, and wants everyone who is willing to work for it, a chance at full filling their dreams. An experienced, successful, executive. Serving as the Chief Executive of the United States of America. An experienced executive with deep experience with and within the media.
Any wonder they're after his azz? They know he plays them like a fiddle, and they hate that they can't counter him.
