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This is how America feels about your disrespect... by Tony Kania
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I read a post by a veteran today, that said something quoteworthy: "You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect. It's really just that simple."
Link: https://www.facebook.com/St...sts/1084172264951509

 
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What is more important--the physical flag, or what it represents?

Because what it represents is the freedom to voice an opinion on that physical cloth. If anyone feels that disrespect of the flag should be dealt with by vigilante (or systemic) justice, then they are therefore disrespecting what the flag represents.

That's why I say it's just a piece of cloth, and just a song. Because it's what is behind those that matter much more to me.

 
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So much to say...

Again, my flag. The cloth that I look up to, and have for over 45 years. If another disrespects it, and you deny my right to defend that disrespect, then you are my enemy. We have long standing laws that protect our right to speak up against those that choose to go against OUR way of life.

It does not matter if the stupidity of Threepup, or the calm response from Rinselberg comes, it is them denying US the ability to stand. I can not be moved.


You have the right to voice your opinion on it, just as they do. You do not have the right to defend it if it infringes upon their rights (any physical altercations, forcing them to stand by threats, etc.).

Nobody is stopping you from standing. Or anyone else.
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Dub,

Rather than selective cherry picking, I'll post the whole thing:

 
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Jim Wright updated his status.
August 28, 2016 · Pensacola ·
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
I've been away from the internet all day.
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
Yeah. Okay.
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
Let me answer all the messages at once
__________
AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran?
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
Respect cannot be compelled.
Respect cannot be bought.
Respect cannot be inherited.
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
Respect has to be earned.
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
There are no short cuts. None.
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
You can not make him respect it.

If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.

With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
But that's not respect.
It's only the illusion of respect.

You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.

That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
No. It doesn't.
Respect doesn't work that way.
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.

The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.

All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.

To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.

A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say?

Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
It's really just that simple.


He did make some valid points. He's right, respect must be earned.
I find it interesting that you post what a Veteran says. I'm quite sure I can find quite a few veterans who will agree with some of his and your posts. Most won't but, that's alright, I agree that you have a right to your opinion, a right that someone else earned and protected for you. The military is made up of a cross section of the US. Yes, even some Liberals have served.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but …
after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.

I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.

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Originally posted by theBDub:
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You have the right to voice your opinion on it, just as they do. You do not have the right to defend it if it infringes upon their rights (any physical altercations, forcing them to stand by threats, etc.).

Nobody is stopping you from standing. Or anyone else.



When did I ever say I have the right to physical or forceful threats? Perhaps you are not witnessing what antifa, blm, or any of the kkk ****s are saying. Those are the traderous folk. Not you or I. Do not confuse me with the alt right, kkk, antifa, CNN, or anyone else of that diminished thought.

I agree with the right to protest. I also reserve the right to protest.

You do realize that the extreme left is doing just that? Trying to stop my patriotic speech?

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Proof shown about the hateful and pussified liberals of this community. One new negative rating, and one renewed negative rating.

To those two negatives... **** you. **** you and your opinions about how you are oppressed. **** your left thinking, take from others thought process and all that evolves with it's disease. I will not harm you, dox you, or make life hell like your kind is doing towards me, but I will defend with words any BS attack by you. I will note rate you negatively. I will not follow you around thread to thread, but I will not allow your lies. Never have. Never will.

Now, if you want to get along, then like P. Diddy said yesterday, "do the maff!"
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If you disagree with the players, that is totally fine. The issue is the president disagreeing with it publicly. No president should denounce American citizens practicing their constitutional rights. It is not the same for individuals to talk about it and the president to talk about it. The president has considerably more influence and power, and should not be going after American citizens like that.


 
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Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.

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He is disagreeing with anti patriotic rhetoric. Well within his Constitutional rights, even if you feel oppressed. I back his rights also, and the rights of his family.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

He is disagreeing with anti patriotic rhetoric. Well within his Constitutional rights, even if you feel oppressed. I back his rights also, and the rights of his family.


I am not saying he shouldn't be allowed, I am saying it is not what he should be doing with his time. Its unprofessional and without tact. If Obama had done ANYTHING like this, you would be fuming..
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And again, antifa can call for the death of the Police, whites, and destroy property, yet I can not side with our President?
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I am not saying he shouldn't be allowed, I am saying it is not what he should be doing with his time. Its unprofessional and without tact. If Obama had done ANYTHING like this, you would be fuming..



As a teacher, you are not qualified to tell our President what to do with his time.

I was, and have posted about Obama's betrayals many times. As I did about President Bush's faults, not the ones the media showed. At the current moment, I am still VERY proud of our President's accomplishments since taking office through democratic vote. I am thankful that our system is working, and I will continue to support our President as long as his beliefs are maintained.

YOU and YOU kind are tearing at the fabric of this country. You defend antifa, yet not your President?

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I will call it like it is.

This is just a BLACK ghetto culture thing. They think it is so cool and hip to neurotically protesting what they proceed is a "WHITE" culture that needs no respect because of past transgressions of their race. So kneeling is not a disrespect to the USA or the Anthem. It is just saying, that I don't do "WHITE" things, because I'm a leftist black person.

But it isn't about race. It is all about being "IN" with Black ghetto culture.

Black ghetto culture isn't about race, but they make it about race. Ghetto culture is an inferior and destructive culture that takes on many similar destructive traits as, Nazism, Islamic Extremist, Klu Klux Klan and many others that are shunned in society or just plain destructive, wrong and evil.

You support the athletes who are kneeling like this? Then you are a RACIST, plain and simple. Yes, White liberal guilt people like Threedogs are very racist people in my book.

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Originally posted by Wichita:

I will call it like it is.

This is just a BLACK ghetto culture thing. They think it is so cool and hip to neurotically protesting what they proceed is a "WHITE" culture that needs no respect because of past transgressions of their race. So kneeling is not a disrespect to the USA or the Anthem. It is just saying, that I don't do "WHITE" things, because I'm a leftist black person.

But it isn't about race. It is all about being "IN" with Black ghetto culture.

Black ghetto culture isn't about race, but they make it about race. Ghetto culture is an inferior and destructive culture that takes on many similar destructive traits as, Nazism, Islamic Extremist, Klu Klux Klan and many others that are shunned in society or just plain destructive, wrong and evil.

You support the athletes who are kneeling like this? Then you are a RACIST, plain and simple. Yes, White liberal guilt people like Threedogs are very racist people in my book.



Possibly, I can't suggest why those players have decided to display such disrespect to our/their flag, our/their anthem and the Veterans who protected their right to stand up in front of thousands of people and behave like spoiled children. Those entertainers have so many resources they could devote to their issues but choose to kneel during the anthem of the country that gave them the opportunity to be where they are. Won't suggest they can't, obviously they can.

But I also have a right to an opinion and free speech. The NFL commissioner complained that President Trump was not showing the NFL any respect and so on. The NFL will lose a lot of revenue by not standing up for this. Their choice, my choice as to where I spend my money.

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Dub,

Rather than selective cherry picking, I'll post the whole thing:


He did make some valid points. He's right, respect must be earned.
I find it interesting that you post what a Veteran says. I'm quite sure I can find quite a few veterans who will agree with some of his and your posts. Most won't but, that's alright, I agree that you have a right to your opinion, a right that someone else earned and protected for you. The military is made up of a cross section of the US. Yes, even some Liberals have served.


Ron, I posted the link. I wasn't cherry-picking... it was just long.

And I don't know why you find it interesting that I would post what a Veteran says. Have I ever hinted, even once, that I didn't respect our military? I want to dramatically scale back our involvement in the world, yes, and drastically reduce our budget, sure, but the people that make up that military are people I'm very thankful for. If you think for one second that I wouldn't respect that, you have the complete wrong idea of me.

 
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When did I ever say I have the right to physical or forceful threats? Perhaps you are not witnessing what antifa, blm, or any of the kkk ****s are saying. Those are the traderous folk. Not you or I. Do not confuse me with the alt right, kkk, antifa, CNN, or anyone else of that diminished thought.

I agree with the right to protest. I also reserve the right to protest.

You do realize that the extreme left is doing just that? Trying to stop my patriotic speech?


You never said that... and I didn't say you said that... I was just making a comment about rights in general, Tony.

I think people have a right to do something until it infringes upon the rights of another. Virtually all Antifa believe they are just in their violence. I don't support them. I do support BLM, because it is primarily a social movement revolving around police reform. I don't support looting, harassment, or otherwise hateful actions.

Some on the extreme left might be trying to stop your speech. But the vast majority are just trying to stop someone from infringing on the rights of Kaepernick, et al.
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You support the athletes who are kneeling like this? Then you are a RACIST, plain and simple. Yes, White liberal guilt people like Threedogs are very racist people in my book.



I support the kneeling, because I think we have a problem with police in our country. To me, it is not a race issue as much as a police issue, and I see the athletes kneeling as allies in that fight. They are protesting peacefully. I don't see how supporting them is racist at all.
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I am not saying he shouldn't be allowed, I am saying it is not what he should be doing with his time. Its unprofessional and without tact. If Obama had done ANYTHING like this, you would be fuming..


You are still a lying dimwit.

"...the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home,"


"You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon,"


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“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.”


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I support the kneeling, because I think we have a problem with police in our country. To me, it is not a race issue as much as a police issue, and I see the athletes kneeling as allies in that fight. They are protesting peacefully. I don't see how supporting them is racist at all.


Great.

From now on at every single meeting at your place of work show your solidarity those morons and kneel down in "protest."

See how that works out for you.

Don't like the justice system in this country?

Fine.

Just trot your happy ass down to your local courthouse and when the bailiff says "All rise" when the judge comes in, you just kneel down in "protest" right there in the front row.

See how that works out for you.

After all, that judge's black robe is "just a piece of cloth".

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I would love for them to put on another uniform for the next 4 years and see if their opinion changes.
For those of you that say the flag is just a piece of cloth and the anthem is just a song I'm going to have to say that you are wrong. They are the physical representations of what it is to be a United States citizen. They are representation of what most of us hold very dear to our hearts. You're not disrespecting a piece of cloth and you're not disrespecting the song You're disrespecting the country that you're part of and the many many Souls that died to give you that right. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
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I am not saying he shouldn't be allowed, I am saying it is not what he should be doing with his time. Its unprofessional and without tact. If Obama had done ANYTHING like this, you would be fuming..


Odd.

The players and coaches are being unprofessional and without tact as.well.

Is this an example of a double standard, or am I missing something?
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Lets just do away with displaying the flag at a sporting event and not play the anthem. Then stop attending them. Im glad I dont give a crap about any sport other than racing. Ive not seen any of this crap at a race though, guess them 'rednecks' have it right. All these sports players, especially NFL and NBA are just overpaid, entitled, wanna be celebrities. What they need there is more and destructive head injuries to put them in their place. To me this kneeling crap is disrespectful to the US, US military men and women and everything else American. They make their outlandish money BECAUSE of the US and its military. They cant do anything else but play sports since most are illiterate azzes and addicts/drunks. They also should take sports out of colleges and universities...it dont contribute to education.They seldom even do their own required schoolwork or take lame classes that a 12 year old could pass. When interviewed, they usually speak unintelligible gibberish. If I was an owner of any sports team, I do just exactly what Trump suggests, fire and send them on their way. Ill give them respect with my middle finger as they leave.
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I support the kneeling, because I think we have a problem with police in our country. To me, it is not a race issue as much as a police issue, and I see the athletes kneeling as allies in that fight. They are protesting peacefully. I don't see how supporting them is racist at all.


I've wondered lately if this is a new problem or one that's always been there. We're just seeing it more because smart phones with cameras are almost everywhere now. I hate to see the bad cops give the good ones bad names because there are a lot of good cops out there. They just don't usually get the press. It's the bad cops, the squeaky wheels, who make the new instead giving people the illusion that most cops wake up in the morning planning to go out and shoot someone. The bad cops need to be weeded out but the good ones need not be condemned along with them.

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I would love for them to put on another uniform for the next 4 years and see if their opinion changes.


This NFL player did exactly that and he made the ultimate sacrifice for his country with honor and bravery.

NONE of these leftist morons want to mention his name, in fact most of them probably don't even know who he is, or care.



There isn't a single heroic or noble thing about what those papered rich morons, being paid millions to PLAY a GAME, are doing with their childish antics.

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I support the kneeling, because I think we have a problem with police in our country. To me, it is not a race issue as much as a police issue, and I see the athletes kneeling as allies in that fight. They are protesting peacefully. I don't see how supporting them is racist at all.


Supporting them is racist because it, (like most media articles) is an attack on the white middle class.
Rich white players (and actors)? Not labeled as the oppressors.
Poor whites? Forgotten about.
Non whites? "Always the victims" even if they perpetrate the crime.

Me? White middle class. Victim of liberal laws. Paying taxes until the day we die so that non-whites can collect welfare and enjoy a work free lifestyle. When did hard work get relabeled as white privilege.

By this point anyone still reading is thinking that I'm a racist for saying all this. But just know, you only think that because the anti white, anti middle class media has conditioned you to think that racism against whites can't (not doesn't) exist.

I just wonder when the real race wars will begin. Obama got the ball rolling fast. Kaepernik gave it a good hard kick to pick up more speed. Roger Goodell is helping it along. The media has been pushing hard too. Who's next and when will all this boil over?

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Just trot your happy ass down to your local courthouse and when the bailiff says "All rise" when the judge comes in, you just kneel down in "protest" right there in the front row.

See how that works out for you.



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This NFL player did exactly that and he made the ultimate sacrifice for his country with honor and bravery.

NONE of these leftist morons want to mention his name, in fact most of them probably don't even know who he is, or care.



There isn't a single heroic or noble thing about what those papered rich morons, being paid millions to PLAY a GAME, are doing with their childish antics.



Tillman was a hate monger, right? I think that's what the media wants us to think.
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Great.

From now on at every single meeting at your place of work show your solidarity those morons and kneel down in "protest."

See how that works out for you.

Don't like the justice system in this country?

Fine.

Just trot your happy ass down to your local courthouse and when the bailiff says "All rise" when the judge comes in, you just kneel down in "protest" right there in the front row.

See how that works out for you.



Do you not understand that kneeling at the national anthem is actually topical to their goals? The anthem and flag are related to their message. Kneeling at work wouldn't make any sense. Kneeling in a court room would, but when the judge can hold you in contempt, it probably isn't a good idea. These players can be fired, and I'm all for the freedom of the owners to do that, too. I'm all about freedom.
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Tillman was a hate monger, right? I think that's what the media wants us to think.


I believe baby killer was thrown out there as well.
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Kneeling at work wouldn't make any sense.


That is exactly what they are doing.

You have to be incredibly obtuse not to understand that.

People who are consumers of the product of their business enterprise have an absolute right to object to what the EMPLOYEES of that business are doing.

 
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Kneeling in a court room would, but when the judge can hold you in contempt, it probably isn't a good idea.


I see, so clearly the courage of your convictions only extends to when there are no consequences for your "heroic" actions.

That is most commonly called being a blowhard and a coward. The same as those cowards on that football field.

You're in fit company together.

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Ron, I posted the link. I wasn't cherry-picking... it was just long.

And I don't know why you find it interesting that I would post what a Veteran says. Have I ever hinted, even once, that I didn't respect our military? I want to dramatically scale back our involvement in the world, yes, and drastically reduce our budget, sure, but the people that make up that military are people I'm very thankful for. If you think for one second that I wouldn't respect that, you have the complete wrong idea of me.



Let me be as succinct as possible. I view this protest action similar to pissing on the graves of every veteran that ever served. It's disgusting and the wrong way to protest something that is based on racial issues. This is not the path to fixing anything.

The act in itself and supporting that act is something I can't stomach.

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I support the kneeling, because I think we have a problem with police in our country. To me, it is not a race issue as much as a police issue, and I see the athletes kneeling as allies in that fight. They are protesting peacefully. I don't see how supporting them is racist at all.


To you. Maybe.

I don't get how you can equate the National Anthem to Police Brutality?

I don't think we have a problem with police in the this country. I think we have a problem of criminals who think they are free to commit crimes and shouldn't be caught or sentence to prison. Just look at the looters.

Kneeling is a support for criminals, ghetto and prison culture, and looters.

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That is exactly what they are doing.

You have to be intentionally obtuse not to understand that.

People who are consumers of the product of their business enterprise have an absolute right to object to what the EMPLOYEES of that business are doing.



Yeah, and if I had to listen to the national anthem every week, I might kneel too!

It wouldn't make sense if they kneeled before a game without the national anthem.

The national anthem is what gives this whole thing context.

You know that. Quit being obtuse yourself.

 
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I see, so clearly the courage of your convictions only extends to when there are no consequences for your "heroic" actions.

That is most commonly called being a blowhard and a coward. The same as those cowards on that football field.

You're in fit company together.



Alright, Rand. If not actively going down to a courthouse and throwing myself in jail makes me a blowhard, then I'm a blowhard.

If you feel so strongly about these players kneeling, why don't you go break into Steve Bisciotti's house and demand that he fire his team? Or are you just a coward?


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Trump is just using the same rights as the protestors. His position should have nothing at all to do with what are anyones rights.

And, yes liberals give any criminals rights an honest, law abiding citizen dont get. They claim to have the right to kill cops, but cry every time one of those criminals gets shot even while actually committing a crime.
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A little light on the logic, BDub.

The entertainers are at work, in their workplace, doing their jobs.

They bring politics to the workplace.
That's never good, especially among professionals.

And BTW, isn't B&E, as you suggested, illegal?

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One or two times a week for three years I would stop and participate in raising our flag. Never once did I or any of the rest of the guys feel like taking a knee.
Like I said its all in what uniform you choose I guess.
Next season ticket sales should be interesting.
It would also be nice to exclude these teams from stadiums that were built with tax payer money.
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I do always wish the best for every legal law abiding American. Every god damned one of them.

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Let me be as succinct as possible. I view this protest action similar to pissing on the graves of every veteran that ever served. It's disgusting and the wrong way to protest something that is based on racial issues. This is not the path to fixing anything.

The act in itself and supporting that act is something I can't stomach.


Can you explain why this act is similar to pissing on the graves of veterans? The official rules for how to handle a flag, and official rules for our anthem do not state anything about standing up. They have made no comments on veterans that I can remember. If I can put myself in their shoes, I would think they are very thankful for their right to kneel in protest, and recognize that right came with a price.
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Can you explain why this act is similar to pissing on the graves of veterans? The official rules for how to handle a flag, and official rules for our anthem do not state anything about standing up. They have made no comments on veterans that I can remember. If I can put myself in their shoes, I would think they are very thankful for their right to kneel in protest, and recognize that right came with a price.


IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND. NEITHER WILL THEY.

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Can you explain why this act is similar to pissing on the graves of veterans? The official rules for how to handle a flag, and official rules for our anthem do not state anything about standing up. They have made no comments on veterans that I can remember. If I can put myself in their shoes, I would think they are very thankful for their right to kneel in protest, and recognize that right came with a price.


I'm a veteran and it pisses me off. This isn't a freedom of speech thing. It's akin to yelling fire in a crowded building. They are spreading hate to start something bad.

If this was truly benevolent, they would be working with law enforcement and not protesting it.
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To you. Maybe.

I don't get how you can equate the National Anthem to Police Brutality?

I don't think we have a problem with police in the this country. I think we have a problem of criminals who think they are free to commit crimes and shouldn't be caught or sentence to prison. Just look at the looters.

Kneeling is a support for criminals, ghetto and prison culture, and looters.


I consider it relevant to police brutality because it's a national issue with our culture. As a whole, our nation supports the status quo on police issues. Most people stand behind police pretty much no matter what. It goes back to how they were taught as children, and their experiences so far. (That is not meant to invalidate their feelings towards police at all. My view of police comes primarily from my own experiences, as well as a large amount of confirmation bias as I have often looked for articles specifically referencing police brutality.)

I do not think those who commit crimes should be able to get away from them without repercussion. I do believe in due process, and de-escalation when possible. I do believe that police have a responsibility to protect themselves, but also be mindful of their power and recognize that the person on the other end of that gun (or chokehold) is a human being as well. I think those are fair beliefs.
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... It goes back to how they were taught as children, and their experiences so far....

...


Then please do not question the way that I was brought up to respect the law, instead of committing crimes.

Sorry Brendan, but every sentence in this thread by you screams of indoctrination. This is different than what you used to stand up for.

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