The citizens in these quasi-police states COULD vote all the clowns out of office.
So empirically, since they haven't, they are giving silent assent to these rules. Since this only affects a very small group pf enthusiasts, meh, no biggy.
However, first they came for the automobile enthusiasts, then they came for the aftermarket manufacturers, then they came for the automobile dealers. When they finally came for automobile owners there wasn't anyone left to stop them.
The citizens in these quasi-police states COULD vote all the clowns out of office.
So empirically, since they haven't, they are giving silent assent to these rules. Since this only affects a very small group pf enthusiasts, meh, no biggy.
However, first they came for the automobile enthusiasts, then they came for the aftermarket manufacturers, then they came for the automobile dealers. When they finally came for automobile owners there wasn't anyone left to stop them.
Gonna have to vote with your feet.
This goes father than just that, a pencil sized rust hole, fail.. missing oem emission part convert missing fail air pump fail heat riser fail egr fail open air cleaner fall.. cold air intake fail 1-2" from oem hide height fail It was sold as a system to store data(photo's) of vehicles for amber alerts.. No one was told about the other parts.. and much of it was not in the bill when it passed, it was added after the fact..
This is part of the speed pass tolling system, this will NOT be only this state that starts this.. The tolling they want photo's to be able to match vehicles that cheat the tolls with blocked or screwed with tags.. the toll camera will snap a photo of sticker and it will have the vin info in the upc so covered tag or not, you are getting a bill and fine for improper view of tags.. (I'm fine with catching them, ) not fine with all the crap they added to it after the fact..
Many of us do try to remove those in state government.. but we are outnumbered.. but after what they did after the fact to the pot bill/law I think many that voted "d" line by line will not be..
Oh you think this will only be this states system.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No surprise to many... Any states w/ private inspections have a very long history of problems. Many shops have never failed inspections for ride height and other problems and "customers" often look for shops that ignore rules. Others shops would tell you fail to sell repairs and often do very little or nothing.
NY has them too and a few places loose inspection/emission "powers" and even arrested every years for sticker slapping for extra $ etc. That's even before have emission testing. A Shop near by when I live there got shut down and owner arrested for inspection fraud in ~1976.
NJ MD and DE has/had state run inspection and emission testing "barns" for decades. DE MD still require emissions test for all cars on the road w/ cat's etc. (Cat's started in 1973.)
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No surprise to many... Any states w/ private inspections have a very long history of problems. Many shops have never failed inspections for ride height and other problems and "customers" often look for shops that ignore rules. Others shops would tell you fail to sell repairs and often do very little or nothing.
NY has them too and a few places loose inspection/emission "powers" and even arrested every years for sticker slapping for extra $ etc. That's even before have emission testing. A Shop near by when I live there got shut down and owner arrested for inspection fraud in ~1976.
NJ MD and DE has/had state run inspection and emission testing "barns" for decades. DE MD still require emissions test for all cars on the road w/ cat's etc. (Cat's started in 1973.)
iirc cats started in 75.. what car had them in 73?
The photo's will also be avail to the insurance companies.. to check of damage every renewal or new policy.. and those that they pay out a check and don't fix it will get a nice wake up , and fraud charges..
problem here is a lower car that is a fun good weather car will fail.. or a truck, you add efi now the oem emissions parts are not there, but it is 100x cleaner but you fail.. 3800 swap in a fiero fail.. ls swap in a g body fail.. 4 wheel disc on a car that had rear drums fail.. They want all pre obII vehicles gone..
In Rhode Island my new 73 Celica wouldn't pass inspection with a private tune yielding 33 mpg, but would pass with a dealer/factory tune yielding 23 mpg. It was illegal to retune a car from oem. And I think it had a cat on it.
One of the comments said that the the article was bullshit. Said that the hood didn't even need to be opened. Just a visual to see if the cat was still there. Not saying THAT is true, but be careful what you wrap your arms around.
Originally posted by E.Furgal: iirc cats started in 75.. what car had them in 73?
2 years doesn't matter much. Link story has "If your 1970 Chevy Chevelle had an EGR valve and it's missing, you fail." is not likely but 73+ very likely for many then most cars.
Many collector cars likely won't have problems like many have antique tags etc because not a daily ride. But most of the whiners w/ illegal mods are going to have problems because cameras will force inspectors to follow the existing rules. Poor babies. Feel so sorry. Not.
Mass shops only get $23.50 of $35. Adding the new camera system means added work for the shop. If cameras are down for any reason then very likely shop can't inspect = bad PR for the station.
Note that this is not new... massDOT publish this 9.12.2016 https://www.massdot.state.m...ionContract91216.pdf Pg 8 said inspection station must pay $5,710 for new equipment but likely going to be more in a very short time. Plus the Shop must have Internet Bandwidth to run this.
One of the comments said that the the article was bullshit. Said that the hood didn't even need to be opened. Just a visual to see if the cat was still there. Not saying THAT is true, but be careful what you wrap your arms around.
All emission parts need to be checked visually to see if they are on the vehicle, you CAN'T do that with the hood closed.. FACT!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by E.Furgal: iirc cats started in 75.. what car had them in 73?
2 years doesn't matter much. Link story has "If your 1970 Chevy Chevelle had an EGR valve and it's missing, you fail." is not likely but 73+ very likely for many then most cars.
Many collector cars likely won't have problems like many have antique tags etc because not a daily ride. But most of the whiners w/ illegal mods are going to have problems because cameras will force inspectors to follow the existing rules. Poor babies. Feel so sorry. Not.
Mass shops only get $23.50 of $35. Adding the new camera system means added work for the shop. If cameras are down for any reason then very likely shop can't inspect = bad PR for the station.
Note that this is not new... massDOT publish this 9.12.2016 https://www.massdot.state.m...ionContract91216.pdf Pg 8 said inspection station must pay $5,710 for new equipment but likely going to be more in a very short time. Plus the Shop must have Internet Bandwidth to run this.
Depends on states. Here historical tags can last as long as you own the car...buy once. Only a few counties have inspections of any form, around Cleveland and Cinncy. They dont even ticket you for the most part for jacked up or dropped, blacked windows, tires outside the fenders, loud radio, blacked out lights...even though all the above have written laws against them. Dont worry about insurance rates, just do like everyone else and drop it...just keep all your property in someone else's name. You dont need seatbelts if your car sold originally without them. If I remember they didnt come in all cars till mid 60s. So your 1959 car dont have to have them. Also your pre computer classic cars will all still run if theres an EMP event...everyone else including law enforcement will be dead in the water.
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This is old news here in California. To be blunt, the politicians don't care about car enthusiasts. They have the Sierra Club and other enviromental groups demanding policies that will eliminate car modifications regardless of what comes out the exhaust pipe.
What would completely undermine their policy would be if all of these private inspection stations closed their doors and became auto mechanics or oil change shops. Without these inspectors enabling their policy, the government would have to run their own inspection stations. It would cost too much to keep the programs going. There would be a public outcry as people had to take a day off work to get in DMV type lines for these inspections.
Originally posted by E.Furgal: Special tags don't mean crap.. you still have to have it inspected.. only way around this is a repair plate.
Most states antique/historic tags do not inspect or emission test because, like Mass, limits driving...
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52 ANTIQUE PLATES Eligibility: Any vehicle that is over 25 years old and maintained solely for use in exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest (this includes drives to prepare for such functions and transportation to and from the repair shop) is eligible for antique plates.
This is part of the easy pass tolling system. My state will not be the only one doing this.. We don't have any toll booths with people all easy pass.. and this is part of it. The camera's are not video, they are taking photo's.. to be used in amber alerts, and if your tag is covered or you made it unreadable.. so they can collect the tool and fine you for the tag "issue" . But no shop is going to let anything slide, now that they randomly will record a full inspection and review it..
EPA, wants old cars gone, many hobby /fun cars have had the emission parts tossed, and the car lowered or raised.. This will knock 80% of the hobby out.. Here anything before obII isn't "tested" for emissions, but this will cause them to now fail if not factory equipped .. There is nothing set up for anyone that did a newer engine swap.. It's going to be a royal mess. THis is funded but fed road grants, so we will not be the only state doing this..
