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If google dont want you to see them by MidEngineManiac
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He who controls what information we have holds the key to all of our futures
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I'll embrace this, and I'll bite.


Alternative news(both on the left and the right) gets far, far too much credit. It is even leading to deaths in some parts of our country.

Examples:
-The "Anti-Vax" movement. People literally think that vaccinations cause autism, despite there being next to no evidence whatsoever. When 9,999 professionals say "bullshit" but one says "I made it happen in a tiny sample size with improper scientific procedures" it should not be held to the same degree when the common layperson searches for it. Now we have people refusing to vaccinate their kids, and it puts other kids in danger.

-Global warming. The evidence grows and grows literally every day. The idea that man has an effect on our atmosphere has been proven repeatedly. I understand a debate on how severe the consequences might be is legitimate, but claiming that we have no effect whatsoever on the earth and we can ignore it is just willful ignorance.


The website then goes on to list sources like Breitbart and others as ones that Google "doesn't want you to see", with zero evidence of that. In fact, the only "evidence" this website has here is this line:

 
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● Pages that directly contradict well established
scientific or medical consensus for queries seeking scientific or
medical information, unless the query indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.

● Pages that directly contradict well-established
historical facts (e.g., unsubstantiated conspiracy theories), unless
the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.



A few things about this:
-First, it doesn't call out alternative news at all. It says well established historical facts, and medical consensuses. Alternative news will not be affected, unless they are deliberately ignoring well established historical or scientific facts, it doesn't say anything about news or current events.
-Second, the medical and scientific community only come to consensus when the evidence is overwhelming. The idea that scientists are part of some massive conspiracy to lie to further some weird agenda(which doesn't even benefit them) is insane. There is a reason why there globally universally accepted rules that scientists follow when performing experiments and analyzing data. Corroboration is out best tool.
-Third, "unless the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint". That right there tells you that google will still show alternative results, you just have to look for them.

Finally, google is not the government, they don't have to cater towards the fears of paranoid groups of people.

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Finally, google is not the government, they don't have to cater towards the fears of paranoid groups of people.



One note, I'm glad you noticed the gov does this, but google as far as news goes does as well, that's what sells "news".

But in whatever level any entity does the controlling or in effect censoring of information, for example universities making it difficult for conservative speakers to speak, its not about fear, its about limiting knowledge.

Because


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A free, but censored internet. One in which others dictate the amount of knowledge you are able to acquire. Absolutely not.
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It is even leading to deaths in some parts of our country.

Source ?

 
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Examples:
-The "Anti-Vax" movement. People literally think that vaccinations cause autism, despite there being next to no evidence whatsoever. Now we have people refusing to vaccinate their kids, and it puts other kids in danger.


Vaccinate your kids, let us worry about ours.

 
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-Global warming. The evidence grows and grows literally every day. The idea that man has an effect on our atmosphere has been proven repeatedly. I understand a debate on how severe the consequences might be is legitimate, but claiming that we have no effect whatsoever on the earth and we can ignore it is just willful ignorance.


It has been proven literally everyday ? Source ? Hurricane Harvey ?
What has been proven/exposed is the the Global Warming Gestapo manipulated data and lied about results. They even set up a Global Warming Stock Market to exchange (cash in) in carbon credits. Who set it up ? All the liberal elites.
How is that global warming working out for you not that you are not in Michigan ?

Global Warming ? The Earth's temperature has not even gone up 1 degree. None of the Global Warming predictions have come true. They even had to change the name to Climate Change.


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One note, I'm glad you noticed the gov does this, but google as far as news goes does as well, that's what sells "news".

But in whatever level any entity does the controlling or in effect censoring of information, for example universities making it difficult for conservative speakers to speak, its not about fear, its about limiting knowledge.

Because





Spreading misleading information can be just as dangerous as withholding it.

Remember when Trump claimed thousands of Muslims were celebrating in the streets during 9/11? Then when he was asked about it he held up a Brietbart article that said "they were swarming all over the place" to defend himself? Misinformation is incredibly dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...xecEV4dSAXE&t=11m18s
 
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A free, but censored internet. One in which others dictate the amount of knowledge you are able to acquire. Absolutely not.



It's funny you say that, because now that Trump is in office, the FCC is ruling on the side of ISPs, allowing them to control your internet. Good thing Trump stands up for the little guy, huh?

 
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Vaccinate your kids, let us worry about ours.


There is a thing called "herd immunity". There are some people who can't get immunizations due to age, or special health conditions. They don't deserve to die because you refuse to vaccinate your children. Here is a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqKP-ETVvrc


 
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It has been proven literally everyday ? Source ? Hurricane Harvey ?
What has been proven/exposed is the the Global Warming Gestapo manipulated data and lied about results. They even set up a Global Warming Stock Market to exchange (cash in) in carbon credits. Who set it up ? All the liberal elites.
How is that global warming working out for you not that you are not in Michigan ?

Global Warming ? The Earth's temperature has not even gone up 1 degree. None of the Global Warming predictions have come true. They even had to change the name to Climate Change.



Can you provide any sources for you information about any of that?

I can:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://ossfoundation.us/pro...-convincing-evidence

http://www.pewresearch.org/...-change-in-7-charts/

Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it fake.
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Google is a business. They look out for themselves and that's the end of it.
If its not good for them then they don't host it.
Just like the forum issue and the ads. If its not good for business then its not good enough for you.

Sure pick another search engine. They all do it you can feel comfortable but face it the internet is not the free sharing of information anymore.
Now if its not generating revenue then you will not find it.
Google sells ad space and returns from searches. If you are looking for something that goes against their advertisers then good luck finding it.

Google is not your friend but they will sell you results one click at a time
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This is what Goolag does not want to you see or use:

https://adnauseam.io/

It breaks their ad revenue system which costs them money. If you are sick of them tracking and harvesting your data, install this plug-in on your browser.

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There is strong evidence that global warming can be a net plus benefit for the human race. I haven't heard anybody from the non-scientific left say anything about that.

Just DOOM DOOM DOOM if you don't give poor people TRILLIONS of dollars. Carbon Credits will save the planet, but let Al Gore have a carbon footprint of the rich 1%. Because Al Gore is justified to pollute because he is a prophet....although nobody sees his movies. But hey, he can still get handjobs from gay teenagers and that's ok.


Or you can believe, like the ThreeDog left does and that Trump somehow got his hands on W. Bush's hurricane steering machine, because he want's to get rid of brown people.

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Originally posted by Threedog:

Alternative news(both on the left and the right) gets far, far too much credit. It is even leading to deaths in some parts of our country.

Finally, google is not the government, they don't have to cater towards the fears of paranoid groups of people.



 
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Spreading misleading information can be just as dangerous as withholding it.



What size HYPOCRITE t-shirt do we ship to you?

You sure as hell had a completely opposite opinion when you were pimping the "net neutrality" issue.

You wanted the government to dictate to private business and force them to cater to YOUR fears and " paranoid groups of people":

 
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Many areas, especially rural ones, only have one "choice" of ATT or Comcast(or another), so if they decide what websites and companies get priority, they control what people see.



 
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A lot of people on this forum(rightfully) complain about the MSM, this is exactly how they become dominant. DirectTV doesn't stream any forms of alternative media, and doesn't count against the data cap. However, many sources of alternative media either use their own websites or Youtube to stream video, that DOES count against the data cap. It doesn't matter how good that source of alternative media is, if people have to pay money for it when the MSM is free, the vast majority are not going to. All of sudden the narrative is whatever 2 or 3 major telecom companies want it to be.




//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/118636.html

 
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The only way that we can keep from being completely under the control of whatever provider we happen to have is to regulate the internet as a utility. ISPs already have a monopoly and likely always will, giving them the freedom to do whatever they want is insane.



//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/119743.html


Only a leftist liberal is content with holding two or more completely contradictory and unresolved ideas in his head simultaneously and still believes that he is a rational person.


You are so full of crap we could just unscrew the top of your head and dip it out with a ladle.

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Remember when Trump claimed thousands of Muslims were celebrating in the streets during 9/11?


I do. He was wrong, and also right. I think he said New Jersey. Thousands of Muslims were celebrating in the streets.

 
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Can you provide any sources for you information about any of that?

I can:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://ossfoundation.us/pro...-convincing-evidence

http://www.pewresearch.org/...-change-in-7-charts/


Your first source ... heh, how do we know the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration 400,000 years ago ? Yeah, I know. We can cut a tree down and judge how old it is by it's rings. We can do carbon dating (which I question). We can do core samples on CO2 deposits. Are we comparing apples to oranges ?

Who cares if the planet is even warming. I should. I live in Texas. You should, you lived in Michigan. I don't care.

Your second source ? Heh again. Here we go again. What was the whitewash ? 97% of scientists believed in Global Warming ? Proven false. Your second source ? Open Source Systems, .

Your third source ? What the world thinks ? I think you are crazy.

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The number of those blind to the dangers of these "businesses" picking what you get to see and what they bury 10000 hits down.. Shows just how stupid people have become..

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//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/119743.html

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Thank you for taking the time to post this. I was not happy with his lie, and recalled something about his postings in regards to the subject. It was not too long ago he wrote these words. I do not see him coming back to this thread to defend these lies.

Sad, the anonymity that some feel the net provides.
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Spreading misleading information can be just as dangerous as withholding it. .


I agree.
I'm not sure what that has to do with or in regards to my post.
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Spreading misleading information can be just as dangerous as withholding it.
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yet you do it every post you make,, you don't go by truth o facts, it is what will fit your racist agenda.. Then after getting burned for it, steer clear of thread , until you can spread more misleading or down right b/s in the next one.

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//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/119743.html


Only a leftist liberal is content with holding two or more completely contradictory and unresolved ideas in his head simultaneously and still believes that he is a rational person.


You are so full of crap we could just unscrew the top of your head and dip it out with a ladle.



You totally missed the point. The argument was not that ISPs should be regulated because they were a private business, it was because it was many peoples only option. Especially in rural areas, there is only a single ISP that can get you to the internet. Therefore, they should not be able to control what you see, because they are the only source of information. ISPs should be considered a UTILITY.


It is not the same with google. You have equal access to a competitors site, you can use Yahoo or Bing or a whole host of other search engines.
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The argument was not that ISPs should be regulated because they were a private business, it was because it was many peoples only option. Especially in rural areas, there is only a single ISP that can get you to the internet. Therefore, they should not be able to control what you see, because they are the only source of information. ISPs should be considered a UTILITY.

It is not the same with google. You have equal access to a competitors site, you can use Yahoo or Bing or a whole host of other search engines.


hehehe, only option. I live in a rural area. I have many options, some land line, many cell phone.
My next interim location is going to be more rural, with only one hardware store. Should it be considered a utility ?

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hehehe, only option. I live in a rural area. I have many options, some land line, many cell phone.
My next interim location is going to be more rural, with only one hardware store. Should it be considered a utility ?


So because you experience something, everyone experiences it? 30% of American's cant choose a broadband provider. Just because you can, doesn't mean everyone can.

And a hardware store is irrelevant, we are talking about the power of information, which is far more important.

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And a hardware store is irrelevant, we are talking about the power of information, which is far more important.



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Nostradamus predicted the world would get caught in a WEB (internet web sites) before the end of times. Choose which web you want to be caught in.
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So because you experience something, everyone experiences it? 30% of American's cant choose a broadband provider. Just because you can, doesn't mean everyone can.

And a hardware store is irrelevant, we are talking about the power of information, which is far more important.


30% of Americans are not my responsibility. It is their choice to live there. They can move. If you can't get hardware you can't build a house. You can't power a house. You won't need a broadband provider. You can't even use a landline DSL(?).
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30% of Americans are not my responsibility. It is their choice to live there. They can move. If you can't get hardware you can't build a house. You can't power a house. You won't need a broadband provider. You can't even use a landline DSL(?).


Weak argument Cliff....Texas is not my responsibility--but I've donated cash, food and hard goods that are now headed down your way. I'm not askin skin color, political views, religion or much of anything else this time buddy. Those guys are ****ed by nature, and I'll lend a hand to un-****ing.

We can fight with the left and blacks and mexicans and immigrants and bible-thumpers and muslims and whoever else later. Nows not a good time.

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Weak argument Cliff....Texas is not my responsibility--but I've donated cash, food and hard goods that are now headed down your way. I'm not askin skin color, political views, religion or much of anything else this time buddy. Those guys are ****ed by nature, and I'll lend a hand to un-****ing.

We can fight with the left and blacks and mexicans and immigrants and bible-thumpers and muslims and whoever else later. Nows not a good time.




Well said.
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Manmade global warming is total nonsense. Maybe everything weve done has made the temp go up .2% of a degree in 100 years...so what, and thats just a maybe.

Causing Harvey is simply foolishness. Theyve had at least 2 other worse hurricanes in the same area in the last 100 years, one of them before the internal combustion engine. Its also mentioned that Harvey has caused so far, up to 40 deaths, while the others had tens of thousands. Ironically, thats partly due to combustion engines in air, sea and land vehicles used for rescues.

just one other :

"The city of Galveston was demolished when the hurricane struck on Sept. 8, 1900. The highest points in the city when the hurricane hit ranged between seven and nine feet above sea level. The storm surge crested at 15 feet. The hurricane rolled over the island destroying everything in its path.

Homes were knocked off their foundations and either carried away or reduced to kindling and rubble. Thirty thousand people, almost the entire population of the city, were left homeless. The rest were dead.

The loss of life in Galveston was horrendous. The death toll is estimated between 6,000 and 12,000. The generally accepted total is 8,000 deaths but no one knows for sure. To gain some context, 1,836 people died as a result of Katrina in 2005. Eight thousand dead is more than the number of American deaths in the Iraq and Afghan wars combined. The Galveston Hurricane is the deadliest natural disaster in the history of the United States."

The whole 'global warming ' idea is complete political BS. Remember, there were no gas or diesel engines.
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Weak argument Cliff....Texas is not my responsibility--but I've donated cash, food and hard goods that are now headed down your way. I'm not askin skin color, political views, religion or much of anything else this time buddy. Those guys are ****ed by nature, and I'll lend a hand to un-****ing.

We can fight with the left and blacks and mexicans and immigrants and bible-thumpers and muslims and whoever else later. Nows not a good time.


Bullzhit.

 
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Well said.


Bullzhit.

Tithing to the church 10% of my income before taxes is not my responsibility. I do it because I want to. Thank you for your Texas help MEM.

@ Threedog ... information is power ? I remember when many families had their own encyclopedias. I had to walk my azz to the public library. Abraham Lincoln would walk miles, through the woods to borrow a book, and again to return it.

Tell me more Threedog. You want ISPs to me treated as a utility ? In what way ? Oh, your usual answer, more government, . You want to force entities to create ISPs ? So that they have more than one choice, or faster speeds ? You want government to set price controls ? Tell me more about Utopia Threedog.

@MEM, Screw You, I Am From Texas

I demand Federal assistance because I have been paying for all the dumb azzes that chose to live in hurricain zones, mud slide zones, wild fire zones, earthquake zones. We don't need your help but we very much appreciate it. Thank you again.

Now is not a good time ? For what ? To fight ? It's as good a time as ever. Think about it. Never let a crisis go to waste, or a stupid opinion. Now is not a good time to fight. I am under a moving deadline. When the fight comes to me, it's a good time to fight.

@ Threedog ... did Lewis and Clark have the comforts of civilization ? Did the Pioneers ?
You are no social justice warrior.

@MEM. If you liked the Screw you song by Ray Wylie Hubbard, here is another one by Ray Wylie Hubbard, sang by an upstart band, Cross Canadian Ragweed.


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I'll embrace this, and I'll bite.

Alternative news(both on the left and the right) gets far, far too much credit. It is even leading to deaths in some parts of our country.

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I think you're totally missing the point. Don't think about this emotionally, think about this logically. No one asked you, or told you, that you have to believe the links... what we're discussing is the fact that Google is trying to purposely suppress information.

The reality is... YOU do not know for sure that vaccinations do not cause autism, and you also do not know if Global Warming is real. Don't judge me and get off a tangent... I get my child vaccinated as well, so move off your planned response to that. The point I'm making is that you only know what you're told, unless you've actually done the scientific research yourself (in a lab, or with instruments). So you don't ACTUALLY know if you're being lied to.

The Government, and many other organizations lie to the public all the time... whether it's agent orange, or the Chinese government telling people that A/C is bad for you, or in North Korea telling their citizens that fans will create a vortex and suck the air out of your lungs if you leave it on. All of that is propaganda in order to further a goal. Our government hasn't been entirely devoid of this kind of behavior in our past either.

So, by suppressing information, as absurd as you or I may think it is... you're only hurting people. In most cases, the only reason to suppress information is to change public opinion. If the public is stupid, and believes dumb things, that's the public's right. It is NOT the Government's responsibility to ensure that the public makes good decisions on the government's behalf. A government BY the people.


The only thing that makes this legal, is that Google is a company... but there are still some legal violations that can be claimed here with respect to unfair business practices.... giving unreasonable accommodation to some businesses versus others, based solely on belief.
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