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So, is gov welfare a major part of the reason there are so many single parents? by 2.5
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Check out the vid posted later its full of facts and stats I would love to hear someone argue against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooUY4p4RaY

At 2:48 why is there a high rate of single mothers in certain communities:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lko8D8vA4Os
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Sure seems like it to me.

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Wow, the correlation with this video is crazy.
It crosses a few dangers of one parent.
Then when they talk about the infantilizing of the child, it clearly seems metaphoric for government handout coddling. Even a reason for it.
The flawed view of seeing society as made up of only victims and predators.
It seems simple.
"Don't do it this way."


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What i find interesting. Is that their are a lot of families around me that are half hispanic half black or white. Who knew in california in a agriculture town.... anyway. Most of the parents are getting a divorce on paper while their kids are in high school. Then which ever family member is more of the minority / lower or no income from the other then claims full custody of the child going to college. This allows the child to go to school with tons of grant opportunities and state / federal subsidies because of the race / income factor. Its appalling how much college is now for a state institution in california. Looking at 30k a year not including housing and food for instate cost. Now if you throw in the subsidies / grants the student goes to school for little to some yearly fees.....

http://time.com/money/42180...l-aid-get-a-divorce/
https://www.edvisors.com/fa.../divorced-separated/

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Originally posted by mmeyer86gt/gtp:

What i find interesting. Is that their are a lot of families around me that are half hispanic half black or white. Who knew in california in a agriculture town.... anyway. Most of the parents are getting a divorce on paper while their kids are in high school. Then which ever family member is more of the minority / lower or no income from the other then claims full custody of the child going to college. This allows the child to go to school with tons of grant opportunities and state / federal subsidies because of the race / income factor. Its appalling how much college is now for a state institution in california. Looking at 30k a year not including housing and food for instate cost. Now if you throw in the subsidies / grants the student goes to school for little to some yearly fees.....

http://time.com/money/42180...l-aid-get-a-divorce/
https://www.edvisors.com/fa.../divorced-separated/


Getting a divorce on paper for bennies, but still living together? Fraud?
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The "Great Society"......one of the reasons I hate LBJ. I thought Obama would make me forget about Johnson, but not a chance.
We were offered an opportunity in 1964, we squandered it.

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The "Great Society"......one of the reasons I hate LBJ. I thought Obama would make me forget about Johnson, but not a chance.
We were offered an opportunity in 1964, we squandered it.



"WE' didn't, you and your generations did, many of "us" were not born and many more not of voting age..
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Originally posted by E.Furgal:
"WE' didn't, you and your generations did, many of "us" were not born and many more not of voting age..


But there is always a current we, us, them and they.
Each are individuals with choices, every day.
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But there is always a current we, us, them and they.
Each are individuals with choices, every day.


yes and many pay dearly daily trying to stop the madness...
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yes and many pay dearly daily trying to stop the madness...


Yep.
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Most of it is because of men who run away from their responsibilities and desert mothers. The then single mothers use the system to make more by having more kids. I think all welfare should have limits like unemployment. You get it for a year or two to get you on your feet, then your on your own. There are single mothers out there in droves milking welfare for thousands of dollars a month. They dont spend it on housing, food or clothes for the kids. They squander it on themselves for partying and buying Mercedes and BMWs. I see these people first hand every day. The only exception should be mental or physical disabilities. Why would they have any incentive to find a job when the government gives them $3000 a month to just hang out. Hell, Id like that gig myself.
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Percent of unwed mothers. Also, unwed motherhood is the number one cause of poverty and children from unwed mothers is the most important factor determining the child becoming a criminal and high school dropout.

This is the USA.
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I fail to see why "the left" supports so many hand outs when it is clearly so damaging.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

Most of it is because of men who run away from their responsibilities and desert mothers. The then single mothers use the system to make more by having more kids. I think all welfare should have limits like unemployment. You get it for a year or two to get you on your feet, then your on your own. There are single mothers out there in droves milking welfare for thousands of dollars a month. They dont spend it on housing, food or clothes for the kids. They squander it on themselves for partying and buying Mercedes and BMWs. I see these people first hand every day. The only exception should be mental or physical disabilities. Why would they have any incentive to find a job when the government gives them $3000 a month to just hang out. Hell, Id like that gig myself.


MANY of those guys I honestly cant blame...I've seen it myself and know of countless other femi-twats who are "normal" UNTIL they get knocked-up, and then the true colors show. All of the sudden they are dictator supreme, you WILL do as you are told or else, and are entitled to EVERYTHIG they want or else.

Let 'em suffer. I havent had a damn thing to do with Joan in over 5 years. The kids are old enough to call me on their own and everytime I hear of a fatal crash in the area I give a little hope that its that POS ***** burning in the wreckage. Last time she tried to call wanting something she got told to eff-right-off and if she ever contacts me again I am pressing harassment charges.

Where is the power-trip attitude NOW, b*tch ?

IOW, the men wont (nor do they have to) tolerate the attitude and mouth on those types of femi-filth.

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Argue against this.



At 10:20 single parents get more welfare dollars, and are also incentivized to make less pay and work less.

At 20:55 direct mention of single parenting and the collapse of marriage and how handouts feed this.


...not to mention this:
The sustainability of the system at 18:55 in the video.


Socialism works huh?

Share the link if you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooUY4p4RaY
How can people argue with this?

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Originally posted by 2.5:

I fail to see why "the left" supports so many hand outs when it is clearly so damaging.

LBJ said it, himself:
 
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These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again.

There are other, more direct and more crude LBJ quote which I will not repeat here.


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"WE' didn't, you and your generations did, many of "us" were not born and many more not of voting age..

In this case "we" means Americans. If you choose to exclude yourself from that group, so be it. We don't need more leftists who assume that all in any particular demographic group are of like mind. You have a lot in common with Jack Weinberg.


By the way, I was nine years old when LBJ was elected. You really should do a little more studying before you try to converse with adults.

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I hope we can focus on problems and solutions, ideologies and agendas, and less on blame of age groups and time periods.

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Problem:
I believe that welfare is the cause of many of our social woes. Many of these programs were initiated by the Johnson administration for the reasons he, himself stated.

Solution:
We need radical reform of the welfare system. There needs to be a strict test to determine eligibility, with intense oversight to curtail fraud. In addition, some sort of work should be required of welfare recipients whenever they are capable, even if the work doesn't begin until after the benefits have ceased.
As much as possible, charity should be conducted by non government entities, e.g. churches.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Problem:
I believe that welfare is the cause of many of our social woes. Many of these programs were initiated by the Johnson administration for the reasons he, himself stated.

Solution:
We need radical reform of the welfare system. There needs to be a strict test to determine eligibility, with intense oversight to curtail fraud. In addition, some sort of work should be required of welfare recipients whenever they are capable, even if the work doesn't begin until after the benefits have ceased.
As much as possible, charity should be conducted by non government entities, e.g. churches.


I second this.
All those opposed say I?

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In this case "we" means Americans. If you choose to exclude yourself from that group, so be it. We don't need more leftists who assume that all in any particular demographic group are of like mind. You have a lot in common with Jack Weinberg.


By the way, I was nine years old when LBJ was elected. You really should do a little more studying before you try to converse with adults.



Jack ass I'm not researching your age,, one and two you have had how many decades to at least try to fix the mess. Ya, nope could not be bothered, other than maybe going to vote every 4 years.. other than that didn't do shita .. YOUR NOT AN ADULT an ADULT admits to his/her faults and mistakes.. You, don't..
UNLIKE you and many others (it wasn't just you that put d.c. on autopilot for decades) I keep involved local/state/fed.. CAUSE THAT IS WHAT ADULTS DO.. not sit on their collective asses and do nothing but bitchabout it..

ADULT, ***** please.

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Hey, man......I was busy stealing your future! Conspicuous consumption is a full time job, you know.



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I manage to work fulltime 50-60 hors , volunteer and still am involved, used to work 2 full time jobs and still did the same, until doctors in 2010 told me to slow down some,, so a job isn't an excuse.. ***** please..

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As for welfare, I think it needs a total revamp.. if there are jobs local there should not be unemployment being given out,, if you can work same with welfare.. Many parents with kids work.. Having a child isn't a reason to sit on your ass, welfare help and work..

As for S.S. it needs fixing,, it needs to be a retirement insurance , not a retirement plan.. To many are getting a check that don't need it.. Don't give me the crap that you paid into it, same can be said for welfare if you pay taxes,, so that crap don't fly with me.. It needs to be a safety net, not a retirement plan,account.. Maybe if it was, more would think about their actions instead of just not caring cause I'll retire and get a check even if I phuck up all my life..
Too, many with tons of money drawing a check and shouldn't be.. That system needs just as much fixing as the welfare system..
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The difference between SS and welfare is welfare is free money from the government thats given to you. SS is your own money being returned. The government screwed up and didnt invest it like they were supposed to. So I was giving them my money (as a loan) for them to earn their own money from. I think you should be able to opt out of SS myself. I live month to month off my SS...why should I have to dig into my savings I worked for 50 years for. My savings is my retirement spending money, not my daily living money. Yes I paid taxes, but dont need welfare...so the government gives it away to those too lazy to work. Nothing I can do about that.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

The difference between SS and welfare is welfare is free money from the government thats given to you. SS is your own money being returned. .


Watch out for that thought, that's the argument they use when they say they want "medicare" for everyone as healthcare.

Anyway we are walking about straight up WELFARE, a check for existing, not ss or medicare etc even if someone considers them related.

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The difference between SS and welfare is welfare is free money from the government thats given to you. SS is your own money being returned. The government screwed up and didnt invest it like they were supposed to. So I was giving them my money (as a loan) for them to earn their own money from. I think you should be able to opt out of SS myself. I live month to month off my SS...why should I have to dig into my savings I worked for 50 years for. My savings is my retirement spending money, not my daily living money. Yes I paid taxes, but dont need welfare...so the government gives it away to those too lazy to work. Nothing I can do about that.

AGAIN if a person worked for 25 years and then went on welfare for whatever reason, it is money they paid into the system(taxes) being given back.. no different than s.s. .
S.S. needs to be changed,, I know it is hard for older folks to get this but by change It doesn't mean it'll effect those already on it or that have been in the system as it is now.. It be the new workers that have the change.. but it needs to change, to a safety net not a retirement plan..
It is named as a safety net not a retirement account.. and should be treated as such.. you pay into tons of things and may never get anything back.. S.S. should be no different..

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but it needs to change,



Yes, yes it does, the video I posted shows that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooUY4p4RaY

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No, entirely different. Taxes collected are NEVER meant to be returned to taxpayers as a check. Its government funds. SS is money YOU LOANED the government that they WERE SUPPOSED to invest, and keep the investment earnings for themselves. Then when you turned 62/65, your money (the principle on the loan) is paid back to you in installments till you die. The government has no excuse for SS going bankrupt. 75% of those on SS die within 10-12 years of starting to collect, so they only actually pay back a very small portion of whats owed to you. ie/ if i paid $500,000 into SS over 50 years, and die at 75 (10 years of payments), they will have paid me only $100,000 of that. They make $400,000 off just me. My parents both paid into SS for 30+ years and both died before collecting a cent. The government kept all of it. When your payouts are only 5% of what you collect, you should be wealthy...not bankrupt. Id love to make $95 for every $5 I spend.
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To answer the original question, yes and it's been that way for a long time...

Late '79, early '80, My GF at the time broke up with me and (not so) politely told me to leave because I was endangering her welfare... Oh yeah she had a kid from a previous marraige That I had bonded with. (felt bad for the kid more that anything...) Yeah, most definantly not a keeper...

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Originally posted by williegoat:

As much as possible, charity should be conducted by non government entities, e.g. churches.


Only problem is many charities are not so charitable. Like the March of Dimes, which is aptly named, since for example only 10 cents out of every dollar raised actually goes to helping improve the health of mothers and babies by preventing birth defects, premature birth and infant mortality.

Also, church membership in the US declines every year. Didn't we pass the 1/2 way point in the 90's so now less Americans attend church than do? As churches continue to shrink, the aide they can offer will evaporate and disappear.

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I fail to see why "the left" supports so many hand outs when it is clearly so damaging.


It's easy. "Vote for me. I'll give you........" It's all about power.
LBJ said it best, "[paraphrased version] we'll have them voting for Democrats for generations." .....and 'they' do.
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Hey, man......I was busy stealing your future! Conspicuous consumption is a full time job, you know.






Not downing your GTO... but I see soo many of them at car shows that I'm kind of getting tired of them. But your Pontiac Grand Prix is awesome!

I'm a huge fan of the 1976-1977 model years... that's more or less my "dream car" for orphaned 1970s every-day kind of cars.

But all those older years are awesome too. I'm SURE it has a 455 in it, and I'm sure it drives like a cloud! You could get those with such awesome options on it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But your Pontiac Grand Prix is awesome!

Thank you!

 
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I'm SURE it has a 455 in it, and I'm sure it drives like a cloud! You could get those with such awesome options on it.

They both have 400's. I have owned that Goat for over 40 years and that is my second '70 GP. I lost the first one in a divorce.
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No, entirely different. Taxes collected are NEVER meant to be returned to taxpayers as a check. Its government funds. SS is money YOU LOANED the government that they WERE SUPPOSED to invest, and keep the investment earnings for themselves. Then when you turned 62/65, your money (the principle on the loan) is paid back to you in installments till you die. The government has no excuse for SS going bankrupt. 75% of those on SS die within 10-12 years of starting to collect, so they only actually pay back a very small portion of whats owed to you. ie/ if i paid $500,000 into SS over 50 years, and die at 75 (10 years of payments), they will have paid me only $100,000 of that. They make $400,000 off just me. My parents both paid into SS for 30+ years and both died before collecting a cent. The government kept all of it. When your payouts are only 5% of what you collect, you should be wealthy...not bankrupt. Id love to make $95 for every $5 I spend.

DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORDS S.S. it was never when started thought of as your retirement account it was a safety net, if you needed it, an insurance plan.. not a way to get by in retirement.. So sick of those that don't and will never need the money collecting it, because they feel they paid into it.. GTFO
you pay into an insurance policy but may never get anything even tho you paid into it.. if you out live the terms.

I have to much pride to ever go on any aid/welfare but I'm paying into it.. with my withholdings, no different than s.s. withholdings..
And on cue you take it like most on s.s. an attack, don't touch, don't change MY MONEY.. I hope to god it goes belly up before you blind &^$ turn to dust.. as you've been warned for at least a decade plus.. Those in d.c. never stole from it.. it was nothing but a slick way to get more taxes from people in the first place, they never planned to sock it away for you, from day one they planned on spending it and hoping you died first or didn't need it, had to much pride to take/collect it..
It is the only legal in the US of A ponzy scam

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You can get money for your own life insurance by just asking for it..i took mine out because theres no one to collect life insurance from me. Hey if you dont take your own money back when they want to give it to you, thats great. I dont feel guilty taking my own money out of my own bank account...not even in the slightest. If theyd have given me an opt out option 50 years ago and let me keep it as income, I wouldnt want to have them give me SS at 65. Id be happy to save or spend that money I didnt have taken out now instead...because it would have earned me more money setting there all these years, like they were supposed to do in the first place. No matter how you want to twist it around, SS is still MY money being paid BACK to me. Now for even more fun, I get full SS now, still work off and on, and still PAY INTO SS from that income. so essentially, I only get half of what theyre supposed to give me. Its like paying sales tax on your taxes.
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