I think you're wrong about her still being in jail. Although I don't understand her sex change I've been told by others more familiar with the situation that it's not an option for them. That their mental health requires it and that suicide is a very real possibility. I wouldn't date a tranny and I don't understand them but I don't judge them either. We are never going to agree on this. I think they're heroes. If Snowden hadn't leaked his stuff we still wouldn't know that the government was spying on us and that's huge to me.
I'm confused about what your trying to say about suicide. But if you think they are suicidal without a cosmetic surgery, you're wrong. Pre opp they have a 41% suicide rate and it gets higher post opp.
dratts, I'm curious, you classify Manning as a hero and admit he was convicted of a treasonous crime. You say no harm was done. I wonder how you view treason?
What would it take for you to see treason as something traitorous, ugly and unbefitting an American with access to classified information? Does someone have to be killed due to the release of the information?
Whether there was harm done or not, treason is still treason. Just because you happen to view this particular release of information as good, I have to question your definition of treason. What does it matter if there was no harm done? No one may have been harmed due to Manning's traitorous acts but, the potential is always there. Based on your logic, every Private that sees something they don't approve of should go public?
I personally don't give a rat's ass about Manning's sexual identity issues but I sure as hell don't believe we should have to pay for his issues. If he wants to go get himself worked on, that's his business but damn sure shouldn't happen on the taxpayer's dime.
I believe that there are many things that get classified to keep them secret and that they need to be exposed. I'm glad that Snowden and Manning didn't cause any harm and I believe that what they exposed needed to be exposed.
I believe that there are many things that get classified to keep them secret and that they need to be exposed. I'm glad that Snowden and Manning didn't cause any harm and I believe that what they exposed needed to be exposed.
THIS is why you leftist-liberals are so dangerous.
You have absolutely no qualms about espionage and treason against your own country as long as it supports your ideology.
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THIS is why you leftist-liberals are so dangerous.
You have absolutely no qualms about espionage and treason against your own country as long as it supports your ideology.
Treason is OK, but damn if you call a left leaner a name.
I do not know how this thread turned into Save The Trannies? I thought this was about a Sheriff that was upholding the law, but not listening to the past President? A misdemeanor ruling. Yet, here we are discussing the convicted traitor that is now an internet sensation? Good gawd man.
I believe that there are many things that get classified to keep them secret and that they need to be exposed. I'm glad that Snowden and Manning didn't cause any harm and I believe that what they exposed needed to be exposed.
Sir, That is avoiding the question. I have no doubt there are a lot of things classified that don't need to be placed in the secret folder. But, the fact is, they are there.
Based on the above quote, I'm very glad you don't have access to classified information. I can see you deciding on your own what should or shouldn't be public.
While serving, I took an oath to never reveal certain information. That information and that oath will accompany me to my grave unless the President relieves me of that responsibility. Doubt that's gonna happen. It is not up to my discretion on whether or not such things can be exposed or made public. But, you apparently think some Private or civilian contractor can decide what should be out there all by themselves. It's all I can do to not make this personal.
It doesn't FRICK'N MATTER if no one got hurt!!!!!!! Both Manning and HRC should be in jail!!!!!!
Ever hear of the Freedom of Information Act?
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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Know what's becoming clearer as I read these comments?
It won't be the far leftists who bring us down. It will be the fence sitting, go along to get along people who THINK they're in the middle who will be the end of this republic.
While serving, I took an oath to never reveal certain information. That information and that oath will accompany me to my grave unless the President relieves me of that responsibility. Doubt that's gonna happen. It is not up to my discretion on whether or not such things can be exposed or made public. But, you apparently think some Private or civilian contractor can decide what should be out there all by themselves.
I also took an oath when I was in the military and had a TSSC clearance. I was also told in no uncertain terms precisely what the penalties are for breaking that oath.
After my military service, I took another very similar oath and signed a lot of very impressive papers when I had yet another TSSC clearance when I was working in the defense industry on "black projects". The same penalties were again made very clear to me.
My bank accounts were monitored. My connections with neighbors, family and friends were investigated going all the way back to my high school days and I was regularly polygraphed and interviewed, usually on a monthly basis. Whenever I travelled anywhere outside the U.S. I was required to go through yet another interview and polygraph immediately on my return.
NOT ONCE in all the many years I held secret clearances did even the thought of disclosing anything or stealing any secrets ever cross my mind.
I very firmly believe that there are those, (principally of a particular ideology), for whom an oath of loyalty, duty and honor is meaningless.
It is meaningless to them because they lack any fixed moral principles or standards.
Those same people are the ones that cheer traitors as "heros"
That same lack of fixed moral principles and standards also makes those same people so completely indiscriminate in their thinking that they have become manifestly unable to tell right from wrong, good from evil, lies from truth, the profane from the holy and the behaviors that lead to happiness and success from those that invariably lead to misery and failure.
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dratts, In baseball terminology, it's the bottom of the ninth and you're up to bat.
Very interested to see your response cause up to this point, you're batting average is suffering..........................................
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
All the reasons why Sheriff Jo is an utter douchebag.
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Federal Judge Neil V. Wake ruled in 2008, and again in 2010, that the county jails violated the constitutional rights of inmates in medical and other care related issues.
Arpaio routinely abused pre-trial detainees at Maricopa County Jail by feeding them moldy bread, rotten fruit and other contaminated food, housing them in cells so hot as to endanger their health, denying them care for serious medical and mental health needs and keeping them packed as tightly as sardines in holding cells for days at a time during intake
the plaintiff's attorney cited numerous reports commissioned and paid for by Maricopa county, dating back as far as 1996, detailing a "culture of cruelty" where inmates are routinely denied humane healthcare at Maricopa County jails run by Arpaio. Testifying in this case, Arpaio stated that he could not deny making the statement that even if he had a billion dollars he wouldn’t change the way he runs his jails.
that the sheriff's office failed to properly investigate serious crimes, including the rape of a 14-year-old girl by classmates, and the rape of a 15-year-old girl by two strangers.
During a three-year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex crimes reported to Arpaio's office were inadequately investigated, or not investigated at all. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the MCSO under Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases.
In a controversial case, Arpaio's office was accused of ignoring Sabrina Morrison, a teenage girl suffering from a mental disability. On March 7, 2007, the 13-year-old was raped by her uncle, Patrick Morrison. She told her teacher the next day, and her teacher called the MCSO. A rape kit was taken, but the detective assigned to the case told Sabrina and her family that there were no obvious signs of sexual assault, no semen, or signs of trauma As a result of the detective's statements, Sabrina was branded by her family as a liar. Her uncle continued to rape her repeatedly, saying he would kill her if she told anyone. She became pregnant by him, and had an abortion. The family did not know that the rape kit had been tested at the state lab, and showed the presence of semen. The lab requested that the detective obtain a blood sample from the suspect, Patrick Morrison. Instead of obtaining the blood sample, or making an arrest, the detective filed the crime-lab note and closed the case for four years. It was not until September 2011 that the Sheriff's Office finally obtained a blood sample from Patrick Morrison, which was a DNA match with the semen taken over four years earlier. It wasn't until February 29, 2012, that Patrick Morrison was arrested and charged with one count of sexual conduct with a minor, at which point the MCSO closed the case. Only later was Sabrina's uncle charged with additional indictments based on information obtained from Sabrina by a victim's advocate, after the MCSO had closed the case. Patrick Morrison ultimately pleaded guilty, and was sentenced to 24 years in prison. After all this In August 2012, Sabrina Morrison filed a $30-million notice of claim (a precursor to a lawsuit) against Joe Arpaio and Maricopa County for gross negligence, a claim which was eventually settled for $3.5 million.
And finally, he was convicted of contempt of court. This guy is a scumbag, pure and simple. He has violated the constitutional rights of American citizens.
However, the only response I expect here is "thats not true" or "because they could have been immigrants, they deserve it". Again, ignoring the news you do not agree with.
Why are we talking about Obama? This is deflecting at best. "He did it so I can do it" is just about the worst logic. Also, who said that everyone agrees that Obama's pardons were good? I am capable of saying that Obama had his flaws.
Regardless, this conversation is not about Obama, its about Trump.
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Why are we talking about Obama? This is deflecting at best. "He did it so I can do it" is just about the worst logic. Also, who said that everyone agrees that Obama's pardons were good? I am capable of saying that Obama had his flaws.
Regardless, this conversation is not about Obama, its about Trump.
I think its fair to ask the question of where was this level of law and order outrage when a convicted terroist was released from jail. Despite this huge list of articles you posted, Arpaio was found guilty of an offense that he would have spent less than six months in jail for. He was arguably denied due process, even some that think hes a bad dude and guilty admit he should have been afforded a trial by a jury of his peers rather than a bench trial. Yes the supreme court has ruled that the 6th amendment does not apply in cases that have less than a 6 month sentence, but thats another conversation. Had he been afforded a jury trial and been convicted, I would have a difficult time with the pardon. I honest wish the supreme court would have heard this case, as I believe all means all.
Yeah, the people of Maricopa County were so tortured by this "ass" that we continued to reelect him over and over, for 24 years. He lost the last election mostly because the Obama administration used a Clinton appointed judge in a strategically timed attack to distract the public from the issues.
The ACLU decided to hound Arpaio about a case that began more than 15 years before he took office. Much progress had been made but the ACLU used it to harass Arpaio because of his strong stance against crime. Imagine that, a sheriff that is opposed to crime. The ACLU has always chosen to oppose law enforcement.
The people of El Mirage would not cooperate with MCSO to solve crime because they believed the hype fostered by the leftist activists. They "cut off their nose to spite their face".
Why are we talking about Obama? This is deflecting at best. "He did it so I can do it" is just about the worst logic. Also, who said that everyone agrees that Obama's pardons were good? I am capable of saying that Obama had his flaws.
Regardless, this conversation is not about Obama, its about Trump.
It is called perspective. When you accuse someone of abusing their authority, it gives perspective to see what other people in that same position did with that authority.
No, not now. Always has been. Do you know what American civil liberties are ? Does the ACLU defend them all, or just the ones they cherry pick ?
Next thing I know is that you will be telling me that Planned Parenthood is about parenting, .
You should really educate yourself on what the ACLU actually is. It's not some leftist group, even if it does fall to the left on many issues. It was created to protect free speech, and it focuses on that.
This came up on page one of a search using Startpage.com so maybe you should switch search engines if you want less biased results. OTOH, if you just want reaffirmation of your personal views, stick with Google:
Originally posted by Threedog: You should really educate yourself on what the ACLU actually is. It's not some leftist group, even if it does fall to the left on many issues. It was created to protect free speech, and it focuses on that.
You should contact the ACLU when you want their help protecting your civil liberties. I have, to no avail.
Not leftist ? Please. Perhaps they should call themselves the AFSU, the American Free Speech Union. My bet is they had to defend conservative speech or they would have been exposed for being the hypocrites that they are.
So you leftists are complaining that convicted criminals were treated like dirt ? Thing is they were lucky to just be alive. I believe in execution of multi offense scumbags. You all think imprisoned criminals should be treated like resort guests. They are only entitled to food, water, and dry, bearable living conditions.
So you leftists are complaining that convicted criminals were treated like dirt ? Thing is they were lucky to just be alive. I believe in execution of multi offense scumbags. You all think imprisoned criminals should be treated like resort guests. They are only entitled to food, water, and dry, bearable living conditions.
They are not convicted FFS. They are accused. That is different.
Also remember "cruel or unusual punishment", thats what this is.
" Also remember "cruel or unusual punishment", thats what this is."
Tell that to their victims or survivors of victims. I dont see anything done to them as cruel. Actual torture like medieval times is cruel. Unusual is a relative term.
Know what's becoming clearer as I read these comments?
It won't be the far leftists who bring us down. It will be the fence sitting, go along to get along people who THINK they're in the middle who will be the end of this republic.
Sadly, true..
DRATTS IS JUST A PERSON THAT REAPED THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY AND NOW AT THE END OF HIS LIFE WILL HELP DO ANYTHING TO BURN THE PLACE TO THE GROUND ON HIS WAY OUT.. he is the most selfish type of hypocrite..
" Also remember "cruel or unusual punishment", thats what this is."
Tell that to their victims or survivors of victims. I dont see anything done to them as cruel. Actual torture like medieval times is cruel. Unusual is a relative term.
For the thousandth time. THEY WERE NOT YET CONVICTED, JUST ACCUSED. You can not treat an accused person like a convicted person. Our judicial system is based on the idea that we innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
For the thousandth time. THEY WERE NOT YET CONVICTED, JUST ACCUSED. You can not treat an accused person like a convicted person. Our judicial system is based on the idea that we innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
So glad you've come around on that one.
Maybe convenient but still, glad to read it.
Of course, that doesn't cover a number of people, from the Lacrosse players accused of gang rape to Eric Bolling, the host of "The Five" accused of sexual harassment 'cuz "white male", does it?
You can not treat an accused person like a convicted person. Our judicial system is based on the idea that we innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
What size HYPOCRITE t-shirt should we order for you?
You sure as hell don't act like you even remotely believe what you said where it comes to President Trump.
Hell son, forget the ""until proven guilty" part. You leftist jackwagons don't even have evidence of a *crime* to prove him guilty of, but that doesn't stop you does it?
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I'll take the massive effort to change the subject as a sign that you guys know the sheriff is an ass but you don't want to admit it.
Ass?? I'd say he's a hard ass and to be honest, I like that about him.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Originally posted by Threedog: For the thousandth time. THEY WERE NOT YET CONVICTED, JUST ACCUSED. You can not treat an accused person like a convicted person. Our judicial system is based on the idea that we innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
I would rather wear pink panties, eat bologna sandwiches, and live in a tent, than to be locked up. I have been locked up. How many accused have been convicted ? Many if not most. Accusations don't get you locked up, probable cause dose.
Confinement doesn't always have to be about punishment, or rehabilitation. Deterrent works. Pink under ware,
Innocent until proven guilty, ha. Should we not lock them up if there is probable cause they committed murder ?
There it is, "I don't like it, therefore it is fake"
Those are sources local to the Arizona area, just because they are small time doesn't mean they are fake. Also, the ACLU is fake now?
You are showing how dumb you are.. Obama's d/a told a law enforcement officer to not enforce the laws, and put him in jail for DOING HIS JOB, YOU KNOW THE JOB HE TOOK AN OATH TO DO.. ODD YOU RACIST BUNGHOLES INSTANTLY THINK ILLEGAL= LATINO OR BLACK.. Just as many Russians, and every other countrymen here illegally, they didn't just cherry pick latino's.. You can't wrap your head around the fact that Obama's justice dept.. was a corrupt law breaking bunch.. FAct he followed the law, he did his job,, if Obama and his corrupt justice dept had an issue with the law they should've changed it,, EVER THINK THERE IS A REASON THEY DID NOT? Beyond the fact that it never fly if they tried.. and I'm sure they tried
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I thought this was about a Sheriff that was upholding the law, but not listening to the past President? A misdemeanor ruling. Yet, here we are discussing the convicted traitor that is now an internet sensation? Good gawd man.
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