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White nationalist terrorism as a car plows into protestors by Threedog
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Hey doesn't anyone pay attention to the many pleas to keep the pictures to a size that doesn't cause side scrolling?

C'mon already.
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Originally posted by RayOtton:

Hey doesn't anyone pay attention to the many pleas to keep the pictures to a size that doesn't cause side scrolling?

C'mon already.

I did not think 900 pixels was all that big. I will see if I can find a smaller picture of the...uh....grouch.
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I have come to the conclusion that you are right. It wasn't necessary for a confrontation from the anti-protesters. I've seen enough photos of KKK costumes, Nazi flags, and Nazi salutes to convince me that they are their own worst propaganda. There aren't any KKK or Nazi supporters here right?


STOP STOP STOP.. if the protesters are to be labeled. use the labels of the groups that showed up and started **** .. not "anti-protesters"
I know, that facing what those groups stands for and admitting you have zero problem with what they do is hard but stop stop with the b/s..
it wasn't a bunch of people anti-protesting.. it was groups of people from known trouble starters that walked off buses with helmets/bats/rocks/ballons full of acid/ ballons full of piss.. this wasn't just people protesting the protest.. WAKE UP>
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Ever wonder about the Antifa symbol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front

The call to violence didn't work out too well for the originators of the symbol.
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Ever wonder about the Antifa symbol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front

The call to violence didn't work out too well for the originators of the symbol.

Thank you for that bit of history. There are so many well informed people on here.
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I am trying to find an appropriate link to Charlotte SWAT pushing permitted members into a large crowd of antifa armed with bats, clubs, and battle gear. They were herded out of a permitted gated area by Officers with full riot gear and shields.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

The armed left:
http://www.chron.com/housto...on-City-11778076.php
Some of them ol boys look like they could stand to look in to Jenny Craig weight loss program...



Y'all have some pretty sad looking communists over there in Texas.

Morbidly obese Reds armed with AKS-74, (if it isn't an airsoft toy), and a silver *whistle* ?? *TWEET TWEET* Comrade.

Cheeseburgers for the proletariat !



"As the afternoon wore on, the situation degenerated to juvenile taunts, with one anti-immigration activist hurling fat-shaming insults while those on the left stared back in stony silence.

Well, what could the Rotund Reds and Corpulent Commies possibly say to the obvious truth?

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in response to the (violent) protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, a group of legislators "came together" to make all neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups be labeled as "terrorist organizations".

“It is vital that we stand in total opposition to the hatred, bigotry and violence displayed by the white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups in Charlottesville this past weekend,” said sponsoring Sen. Don Harmon, D-Oak Park. “They are the heirs to the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. We fought two bloody wars in opposition to their ideologies. We must continue to fight those same twisted ideologies today.”

The thing is, what about BLM and Antifa?

One can only "hope" that THE PRESIDENT (OF THE USA) may have "sprung a trap" so that those two groups will also make the list.

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Originally posted by dratts:
What group is that? I don't get the 'alt right' or 'alt left' either. Isn't just left or right sufficient.


Nothing is ever sufficient because people dont fit in boxes.
I think of course they love to have their little boxes they can put people in,
so they can aim their anger at a faceless group, a mob that isnt like them,
but when what someone in the box says or does falls outside that box they have to then call them "alt".

Think music....Rock and Alternative Rock.
blues rock, southern rock, psychedelic rock, glam rock, punk rock, progressive rock,
new wave, grunge,experimental rock, acid rock, · metal, funk metal..........on and on and on and on and on and on

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I think this is all bs. People started beating on that kids car he panicked and drove into the cars in front. His car kept getting beat on so he panicked more and tried to get the hell outta there. What the hells racist about that? If someone wanted to kill people w their car, they woulda killed a ton of people. The kkk and white supremacist groups are as big of tards as the progressives, blm, and antifa. The problem is you cant show black on white crime, but you can show the hell out of white on black crime and police on black crime. I think cops can shoot you no problem. Cops have guns for a reason. Police w a gun tell u to calm down, u better listen. I think most of the police shootings are kinda justified, sometimes tazers dont work and/or theyre fighting w a guy twice the size of the 2 officers. Now the one where the cop told the guy to stop and the guy runs and the cop shot him, yeah thats f$%^ed up. This sh$ts coming to a head and its gonna be nasty. Either side you choose will be colorful so youre not gonna know who to kill. Ill just wait till someone or some group attacks my property then theyre all dead. Im very close w my neighbors and theyre all different races. But we all work and earned what we have and will be damned if some useless lazy person thinks they can take what i worked so damn hard for because their life is so tough. You wouldnt believe how many people Ive gone thru trying to find people to do light construction. The only people that will help is the mexicans(not lationos,mexicans), and theyre all illegal. Doing shi%%y jobs here beats anything they would ever have back home. (mexico had over 2k deaths in june!) Everyone here in usa is pressed to go to college and get an office job. My family too demonized construction even though my grandfather built houses. Hell I wish I got into it when I was way young, I can fix anything now and make a small fortune quick.

Stormy seas ahead folks
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Originally posted by 2.5:
Get away from big cities and pay less attention to the agenda driven news.
America is still out there, going about its business, working, paying bills, hanging out with friends on weekends.


I live in Kerrville, TX, 60 miles west of San Antonio, TX. Kerrville, staunchly conservative, ... San Antonio, staunchly liberal.

The Civil War has already began. No shots fired. I am not for killing Americans. I am also not for blocking the roads of Americans. I am not for the Police being told to stand down. Do the Police not swear to an oath to enforce all laws ?

Thank you 2.5.

 
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Whoa! Whoa! The governor of Virginia has been MISIDENTIFIED in one of the preceding messages (from "cliffw".)

It is both my solemn duty and my great personal pleasure to present to all here, duly assembled (online), the Governor of the (great) Commonwealth of Virginia, Mr Terence (Terry) McAuliffe, (D).


You, telling me I am wrong, when you are correct ?
Thank you.

Mr Terence (Terry) McAuliffe is the culprit.

America is still out here. Just as it was when more than half the people did not want to fight the King of England.

The Civil War happened when the Federalies decided that we did not have the Constitutional Right of Freedom of Assembly. That Right tells me we have the freedom of disassembly.
The United States has always advocated for freedom, and applauded the dissolution of the USSR. Now, the conservatives can not even have free unimpeded speech.
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"As the afternoon wore on, the situation degenerated to juvenile taunts, with one anti-immigration activist hurling fat-shaming insults while those on the left stared back in stony silence.



Ya know the sad part, between him and me....the logo on the shirt. Thats all....old fat guys with glasses pretending they are 20-somethings again with guns..

Oh, yeh--I wear a goatee not a beard, and...I know what a country redneck girl is--he never will p

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Ya know the sad part, between him and me....the logo on the shirt. Thats all....old fat guys with glasses pretending they are 20-somethings again with guns..

Oh, yeh--I wear a goatee not a beard, and...I know what a country redneck girl is--he never will p


The most ironic thing about that corpulent commie clown is that if he ever got the communist government he wants, he would NEVER be allowed to have that weapon....or any other.
I'm 100% convinced that those people are seriously stupid or have a form of mental illness.

How can ANY rational individual look at over 100 years of the *failure* of communism around the world and the number of people it has killed and say "Hey! That's a great idea."

The same holds true for those "Antifa" idiots. They're nothing more than a parody, (for now), of Chairman Mao's Red Guard but the morons have some twisted fantasy playing in their heads that this is 1939 Germany and they're fighting Hitler and the NSDAP, (That's the National Socialist German Workers Party otherwise known as the "Nazi" party for our history illiterate friends).

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Oh, yeh--I wear a goatee not a beard, and...I know what a country redneck girl is--he never will p


Well, yeah. I mean he knows what a country redneck guy is. It's the guy behind him pulling his ponytail.

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Oh don't worry, those work camps will slim him down real quick!
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Originally posted by RayOtton:

in response to the (violent) protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, a group of legislators "came together" to make all neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups be labeled as "terrorist organizations".

“It is vital that we stand in total opposition to the hatred, bigotry and violence displayed by the white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups in Charlottesville this past weekend,” said sponsoring Sen. Don Harmon, D-Oak Park. “They are the heirs to the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. We fought two bloody wars in opposition to their ideologies. We must continue to fight those same twisted ideologies today.”

[/color]The thing is, what about BLM and Antifa?

One can only "hope" that THE PRESIDENT (OF THE USA) may have "sprung a trap" so that those two groups will also make the list.



All you need to see is the highlighted in brown.. The "D" beside the name means BLM AND ANTIFA and anyother of these groups are A OK with them..

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Y'all have some pretty sad looking communists over there in Texas.

Morbidly obese Reds armed with AKS-74, (if it isn't an airsoft toy), and a silver *whistle* ?? *TWEET TWEET* Comrade.

Cheeseburgers for the proletariat !



"As the afternoon wore on, the situation degenerated to juvenile taunts, with one anti-immigration activist hurling fat-shaming insults while those on the left stared back in stony silence.

Well, what could the Rotund Reds and Corpulent Commies possibly say to the obvious truth?


That whole group combined couldn't fight their way on to or back off my property on their best day and my worst.

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Good points.. media is lie'n again

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Good points.. media is lie'n again



Before you blow your top read what I have to say very carefully.

I am not defending the leftist agitators but the narrator is off base and the video actually demonstrates something much different than the narrative.

The first part of the video clearly shows the car speeding up in a relatively uncrowded portion of the street, contrary to what the voiceover says.

The car accelerates straight at the largest gathering of protesters, again, contrary to the supposition of the narrator.

In addition, the first baseball bat strike at his car occurs as he drives by at considerable speed. In other words, the bat strike did not precipitate the ramming.

That's not to say that questions posed in the video about armed Antifa agents are invalid but if the truth is to survive we must not descend to their level.
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How many statues has Tony Kania toppled today?

How many fascist nazis have the left killed today? Or, how many of their own have been murdered by their own today?

How many crimes will be committed today by a left leaner? Do you think that the right leaners will commit more violent crimes today?

Is attending a permitted rally with the intentions of disruption, chaos, and harm even legal?

All of these questions, but I am the azzhole? I think that I will sleep soundly tonight in my own skin. How about you?



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Strong video processing insight and forensic analysis from Ray Otton

I don't think there will be any ambiguity or lingering doubt about the verdict that will eventually be rendered by the judicial system. When that is complete.

I believe the evidence also includes video from a drone that was flying overhead.

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Originally posted by RayOtton:
The first part of the video clearly shows the car speeding up in a relatively uncrowded portion of the street, contrary to what the voiceover says.

The car accelerates straight at the largest gathering of protesters, again, contrary to the supposition of the narrator.

In addition, the first baseball bat strike at his car occurs as he drives by at considerable speed. In other words, the bat strike did not precipitate the ramming.


Don't believe everything you think you see. The largest gathering of protesters were on the sidewalks. I do not see intent of running down protestors.

Precipitate the ramming ? Was the bat wielder the speed limit police ? Or a person supporting anti facism ?

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I am not saying one side is innocent and the other guilty, simply that the video does not portray what the narrator wants you to see.

All due respect, try watching the vid without the sound.

The first bat strike comes as the car is already very close to ramming the crowd and moving at a pretty good clip. That fact alone negates the narrative that the bat strike precipitated the action.

Furthermore, the video clearly shows that the street where the car starts out is almost completely devoid of people which is what allowed the perp to accelerate directly into the large crowd on the other side of the cross street.

Look, I'm with you guys and I thought the other video posted was great. it makes you realize that the left doesn't have a pray of winning.

The video up for debate is not.

Well, the video isn't the problem but the narration is "fake news".
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Originally posted by RayOtton:


Before you blow your top read what I have to say very carefully.

I am not defending the leftist agitators but the narrator is off base and the video actually demonstrates something much different than the narrative.

The first part of the video clearly shows the car speeding up in a relatively uncrowded portion of the street, contrary to what the voiceover says.

The car accelerates straight at the largest gathering of protesters, again, contrary to the supposition of the narrator.

In addition, the first baseball bat strike at his car occurs as he drives by at considerable speed. In other words, the bat strike did not precipitate the ramming.

That's not to say that questions posed in the video about armed Antifa agents are invalid but if the truth is to survive we must not descend to their level.


I am not going to get angry at you for your opinion, but we all have one, mine is just different than yours. I have no idea why he was driving like he was, but it is totally possible that a mob was already chasing him? Or it could be just as likely that he wanted to terrify or even harm people? But realistically, if that was his intention, there was no possible way to escape without getting caught. So I doubt that was his intention.
Anyway, I hate racism, so I may have been at that protest against the racists. BUT not everyone who was at the legal rally was a racist, so I may have just skipped it. But then I hate the lying antifa and racist groups like blm also, so I would not support them at their illegal rally.
I could not care less about rebel heroes, so I would not protest there removal.
Bottom line, I just stay out of this stupid crap.
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Dramatic pause?
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OK, one more time.

I'm not making a judgement on his motive.

I'm saying the narrative that goes with the video does not match what you see on the screen.

C'mon, the video starts with the car on a nearly deserted stretch of road which the narrator states is full of people. Yes, there may have been a few more off camera but you can clearly see a much larger crowd just on the other side of the cross street.

Then the narrator wonders why the guy didn't mow down the stragglers on the edge of the crowd and states that he would have inflicted greater casualties if he had.

Really? Aim at a few people on the edge of the crowd who have room to dive out of the way, while NOT aiming for the centermass of the crowd only a few yards further down the street?

Sorry, no.

I'm a pretty conservative guy and I don't think this is the hill we want to die on.

I would rather we DEMAND that if neo-Nazis and white supremacists are now listed as terrorist organizations then BLM and Antifa must be on the same list.

Write to your government representatives......................today.................right now.................before you post again.

I have.
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Originally posted by RayOtton:


Before you blow your top read what I have to say very carefully.

I am not defending the leftist agitators but the narrator is off base and the video actually demonstrates something much different than the narrative.

The first part of the video clearly shows the car speeding up in a relatively uncrowded portion of the street, contrary to what the voiceover says.

The car accelerates straight at the largest gathering of protesters, again, contrary to the supposition of the narrator.

In addition, the first baseball bat strike at his car occurs as he drives by at considerable speed. In other words, the bat strike did not precipitate the ramming.

That's not to say that questions posed in the video about armed Antifa agents are invalid but if the truth is to survive we must not descend to their level.


So you are of the mind that that first bat hit in the video is the first one that vehicle took??
Ever think it going down the road that fast was because of that..
The voice over said many times the car shouldn't have been going that fast with crowds.. but . oddly,, those peaceful protesters all just happened to have bats, acid in balloons, etc.. I'm sure as time goes on we will get more video of the part before what this video shows..

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
now if this driver was out to harm ram protester.. pre med. act.. then he could've bowled down tons more going down the sidewalk .. but yet that doesn't happen..
What we see is a few vehicles running down the street (media said street was blocked off , so how did all 3 in video get on it.? or any others that might not be seen in video?
Before that car hits anything the crowd is running after it with bats.. and then are seen beating the car as it tries to back up..

Me thinks this vehicle and the once in front of him, had piss/acid/ and bats hit them long before this video clip starts..
Either way.. Even if the media's story was true, and he planned on harming , the bowling for dollars says and shows going down the sidewalk would've got more people..
When was the last time a person got hit by a car that a group started bat beating it..
You'll notice that it wasn't one or two with bats.. it was almost all of them going down the street.. peaceful anti- protesters my ass

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THIS video, which is the subject of the debate, doesn't show the car being hit with a bat until just before it plows into the crowd and it does not show a large crowd surrounding the car as it accelerates across the intersection.

Both of those contentions by the narrator are false.

If other videos show earlier attacks which prompt an effort to escape then fine, but as it stands the federal prosecutor is going to LOVE this one.
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Originally posted by RayOtton:

THIS video, which is the subject of the debate, doesn't show the car being hit with a bat until just before it plows into the crowd and it does not show a large crowd surrounding the car as it accelerates across the intersection.

Both of those contentions by the narrator are false.

If other videos show earlier attacks which prompt an effort to escape then fine, but as it stands the federal prosecutor is going to LOVE this one.


I have said this many times on this forum, but it bears repeating again.

The TRUTH eventually always comes out. It just takes some time and it is usually NEVER what the media told us originally.

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While I agree with the second half of your statement, ie the intent of the media to misinform, I do not think the truth always comes out.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.
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Originally posted by RayOtton:
While I agree with the second half of your statement, ie the intent of the media to misinform, I do not think the truth always comes out.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.


Well, it can get out, or it can be like the Kennedy Assassination, etc.

Many times the wrong story, the agenda driven tripe comes out, and then days later after the public has run with it... in some quiet corner of the media where no one looks there is a retraction posted that no one sees.
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Like mentioned, IF his intent was to run over people, it would have been much better to go up the curb and along the walls where most of the people were. They would be crushed between the walls and car with nowhere to escape to. A good lawyer will get him off except maybe for a reckless driving ticket. Theres a very good case for self defense that I see. I agree with another post a while back that he only got a murder charge and arrested to keep the liberals from trashing the city in revenge.
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Objection, your honor.

These suppositions, that the defendant was not intent upon hitting anyone with his car because it wasn't going to leave him with any likely escape route, or, that the defendant could not possibly have wanted to use his car as a weapon because then he would have driven it onto the sidewalk where he could have hit more people, are completely unwarranted conjectures by the defense team.

These suppositions presume certain rationalities or priorities in the mind of the defendant that are easily contradicted by what is known of the defendants' prior history, which includes a diagnosis of schizophrenia and treatment with an anti-psychotic medication.

A defense based on diminished mental capacity would be more tenable than either of these other attempts to manufacture exculpatory evidence by reasoning with suppositions about the defendant's intentions and priorities.

I offer this deposition from NBC News online:
"Mother of Charlottesville Attack Suspect Previously Accused Son of Beating, Threatening Her"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news...eatening-her-n792651

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These suppositions presume certain rationalities or priorities in the mind of the defendant that are easily contradicted by what is known of the defendants' prior history, which includes a diagnosis of schizophrenia and treatment with an anti-psychotic medication.





Cute Ronald. Very cute, but if you want to try to talk "jurisprudence" with even a shred of believability you need to understand the term HEARSAY and in particular how that term applies to your statement as derived from the hearsay in that article.

A "he said that he said" quote from a high school trip roommate 2 years ago does NOT constitute *fact* Ronald, nor is there presently any public record of a "diagnosis of schizophrenia", but don't let that disrupt your fun.

Just have the honesty to admit that you are also engaging in pure speculation Ronald and don't try to pretend it is anything other than that.

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OK.

I only wanted to call attention to the very speculative nature of some of the other ideas (two ideas, in particular) that have been put on display here by other members, that were set up as arguments that the defendant did not intentionally ram people using his car as a weapon.

In other words, the very speculative nature of these (two) other Pennock's members' "arguments for the defense."

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Originally posted by RayOtton:

While I agree with the second half of your statement, ie the intent of the media to misinform, I do not think the truth always comes out.

Hillary Clinton comes to mind.


I certainly don't disagree with your assessment of the intent of the mainstream media Ray, however subsequent events and objective facts have a very certain way of revealing the truth.

Despite all of the leftist media hysterics about "Russian interference and hacking" of the DNC and Clinton it is more than notable that the *content* of those leaked emails has never been denied as being anything other than truthful.

I firmly believe that attempting to deny the veracity of those emails is the tail of a skunk that they don't dare to lift.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Objection, your honor.

These suppositions, that the defendant was not intent upon hitting anyone with his car because it wasn't going to leave him with any likely escape route, or, that the defendant could not possibly have wanted to use his car as a weapon because then he would have driven it onto the sidewalk where he could have hit more people, are completely unwarranted conjectures by the defense team.

These suppositions presume certain rationalities or priorities in the mind of the defendant that are easily contradicted by what is known of the defendants' prior history, which includes a diagnosis of schizophrenia and treatment with an anti-psychotic medication.

A defense based on diminished mental capacity would be more tenable than either of these other attempts to manufacture exculpatory evidence by reasoning with suppositions about the defendant's intentions and priorities.

I offer this deposition from NBC News online:
"Mother of Charlottesville Attack Suspect Previously Accused Son of Beating, Threatening Her"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news...eatening-her-n792651



Oh crap, he's absolutely correct.

And no superfluous grammatical accouterments either, which means he's learning. Like the AI in the Terminator series.

What's next?

Dogs and cats sleeping together?

Sasquatch shows up at Starbucks?

Aliens send back all the people they've abducted?

Hillary gets ordained as a Methodist minister?

The world wonders.
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