Well, that's an aggressive attitude............................ You sure you wanna go there?
Would be a bit embarrassing if we "missed". I'm not all that sure our stuff is as good as we're telling the world.
If President Obama was still in office, he'd be apologizing for our planes overflying S. Korean airspace.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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Similar as to when dobey decided to punch nazis in the face. How did that work out in today's atmosphere? It seems to me that many of us are not taking the slaps in our faces as kindly as in the past. And, if one could ever be so inclined, perhaps it is time for men to be men?
During the dying days of Obama's administration, U.S. B-2 Stealth bombers were dispatched on a 32-hour mission to bomb ISIS targets in Libya. This is how it happened. http://www.popularmechanics...strike-against-isis/
"Oh, I'm so sorry I gave in to some of the bad, aggressive people around here and gave my assent for this bombing mission. I'm going to be like a Catholic and seek out a priest for confession." ~ President Obama
That's OK, though. I'm so sick of Winning, now that we have President Trump.
Im not sick of it, plenty more to come- still got 3 years left minimum. That means 3 more years of whiny retard hypocrite liberals complaining about everything and anything to get some attention. oh wait thats my cognitive privilage kicking in, my bad
send in the nukes asap, china doesnt like it, tuff titty. they had their chance f&^K china too, I hate having to buy their junk
Well, that's an aggressive attitude............................ You sure you wanna go there?
Would be a bit embarrassing if we "missed". I'm not all that sure our stuff is as good as we're telling the world.
If President Obama was still in office, he'd be apologizing for our planes overflying S. Korean airspace.
If we miss then we have some more work to do. I think it would be a better test of our system than shooting down a missile that we put up. I way prefer this to an invasion or nukes either one of which could backfire in our faces.
If we miss then we have some more work to do. I think it would be a better test of our system than shooting down a missile that we put up. I way prefer this to an invasion or nukes either one of which could backfire in our faces.
I'm curious, wouldn't that be seen as an escalation?
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
We would be more than embarrassed if they manage to put a warhead on one and launch it at us. It would be cheaper allowing them to give us real life missiles to practice on. We've been trying to send them a message. This would be a strong message without attacking them and it would slow or stop their missile program. I could be wrong. There might be repercussions that I'm unaware of.
Originally posted by dratts: This would be a strong message without attacking them and it would slow or stop their missile program.
What you don't see as an attack doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. I'm fairly certain NK will see it as an attack and possibly China, maybe others. What we would be shooting down is the property of NK after all. How would you feel about Russia shooting down one of our satellite launches claiming it was in their own self defense because they felt the satellite would be used for spying on them?
Aside from that, how do you figure it will slow down or stop NK's missile program? Shooting one missile out of the sky will somehow destroy all those that were already being built? What if the next one lands in SK at some US military occupied location except it has been weaponized? I suppose you are from the "when a bully hit's you, cringe and cower making yourself look like the smallest threat possible so they have no reason to hit you again" school of thought? Are you willing to wager the lives of the people in SK and the US soldiers in SK on your assumption?
I don't think shooting down a NK missile will "help" anything or send a message that will get positive results. I would try to an electronic propaganda campaign first. Open up the Internet to those that have access. Spread some truth. Let the people decide for themselves how to deal with the crazy little man.
I say we consider it a threat and just bomb the launch facility.
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During the dying days of Obama's administration, U.S. B-2 Stealth bombers were dispatched on a 32-hour mission to bomb ISIS targets in Libya. This is how it happened. http://www.popularmechanics...strike-against-isis/
"Oh, I'm so sorry I gave in to some of the bad, aggressive people around here and gave my assent for this bombing mission. I'm going to be like a Catholic and seek out a priest for confession." ~ President Obama
That's OK, though. I'm so sick of Winning, now that we have President Trump.
"Whiteman Air Force Base is the home of the B-2 bomber fleet." False article, as I see B-2s launch from Nellis AFB all the time. So many I can recognize them by sound now. One 2 days ago, so low over the shop I could have hit it with a rock, just awesome.
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Ive always heard Whitman is the B2 home base. That does not mean they cant take off or be deployed somewhere else. My F4 squadron was deployed to DaNang for years, but records showed them based out of Texas.
Originally posted by dratts: Aren't their missile launches an escalation?
Well, we can play this game all week, I ask a question and you respond with a question so I ask another question....................... But, to respond to your question: IMHO, NK is escalating the situation and in their own minds, backing their despised enemy into a corner.
I also believe that China is empowering NK. With out China, NK would have collapsed generations ago. It is to China's advantage to keep NK spurring us and antagonizing us. NK is like my neighbor's yappy little dog. Just like my neighbor, China controls how far NK can go. IMHO, reacting to NK is silly, put the pressure on China. I'm also not suggesting that's an easy thing to do. Last time I looked, China was buying as much of America as they could.
If it were up to me, I'd be letting Japan and S. Korea react to the North and be putting more pressure on China. That's not to say I wouldn't be backing up both Japan and S.K. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes? I sure as hell don't. The fact that NK is shooting missiles isn't nearly as scary as knowing they are doing it with China's support. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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Originally posted by dratts: I don't get the cowering part.
Essentially, the outcome you assume will come would be one of cowering. NK would become so intimidated by our show of technical weapons superiority that they would cower in fear and cease any future missile development and testing.
When threatened there is typically 1 of 2 reactions. The fight or flight response. You assume NK will go with flight not with fight. What makes you think that? Do you really think they will roll over and play dead? That they will cower in the corner doing everything possible to keep from being noticed by the big bad USA again?
Personally, I think they will fight. Kim portrays to his people that they are a threat to us. Ceasing missile development would be detrimental to the power he holds.
Their test launches really just shows they can't reach us anyway.
I saw a graphic on one of the news channels that their one launch, if the trajectory was FLATTENED OUT! would reach the Left coast. Huh? I think that the news station needs to tech up on how an ICBM works..........
China wont do anything to nk because they need them there. When they shoot an icbm it goes into space and out of their territory so shoot it down. We got thaads in japan, sk, and on our ships inside international waters. A few of them have gone into the sea of japan and japan aint happy. They were talking about giving sk and japan nukes to intimidate nk but thats dumb, the less countries w nukes the better. Especially nk, i wouldnt be surprised if they gave one to isis. They make em suitcase sized now, the bigass missile is just to get it into space. Now nk is working on submarine nukes, and u know chinas helping them w stealth sub tech. If we r gone, china, iran, and russia will sieze a ton of territory. U know china aint happy being the worlds second largest economy. Now that foxconn companys coming here, more of china buying up the usa
shoulda nipped it in the bud, now u gotta kill the weed
I say preemptive strike on all launch, naval, air, and govt facilities all at once. No nukes just bombs and missiles and more bombs, dont even need to send any troops.
Those people dont have access to internet in nk lol shem
I dont think stealth subs are as stealthy as they would like you to think. Ill guess Russia and China pretty much know ours whereabouts at any given time, and us theirs. Its not that they dont know where they are thats scary, its knowing theyre right in striking range.
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I dont think stealth subs are as stealthy as they would like you to think. Ill guess Russia and China pretty much know ours whereabouts at any given time, and us theirs. Its not that they dont know where they are thats scary, its knowing theyre right in striking range.
Not likely they know where we are. You got it backwards.
Remember the opening of the Gulf War? Over thousand Tomahawk missiles? Shock-n-Awe devastated Iraq and set the tone for the war. The crushing air campaign. The "Wall of Steel" as the Abrams made there way across the desert toward Baghdad? And, then the Thunder Run right down the main street?
Iraq is not NK, but IF we hit NK, it will be like that. Fast and crushing.
We have mastered this type of warfare, and China and Russia will be in shock-n-awe.
They can not even come close to the level of war the USA can unleash. Yes, they have similar weapons, but we have best and the latest technology. Not only that we know how to coordinate it all and deliver it like no one else.
The problem is not can we accomplish what we militarily need to, taking out NK, but what exactly will we do after. That is the problem.
Regardless, I really believe that we can not live with the threats he is making. That is not American. We, nor should anyone, have to live with a nuclear threat. Especially from someone so self-severing as Kim.
If we back down, he will then use that momentum, and progress to invading the south using the threat of nuclear weapons against the United States if we chose to intervene.
China is not concerned. She can end Kim's life at any time of their choosing. They are fighting a proxy war with the United States and so only have to sit back and watch. What they are not counting on is exacting what they never counted on Bush doing. That is -- Unleashing the American Military.
In order to keep the free world free and safe wars have to be fought. If any war is justified, this is one. You can not have a world leader with a nuclear weapon saying he is going to fire it at your country. In all fairness, it would be even justified to preemptively attack with the same, as a means of self-defense.
Not likely they know where we are. You got it backwards.
No, I said everyone knows where everyones are. Ill bet money we know where all theres are and they know where ours are. Neither can do anything about the other though. At least in recent past, Russia was ahead of the US in subs. They also had some fighter planes that outclassed ours. Their problem with the planes though is their tactics and training are lacking.
"The Secretary of State published a Notice on Wednesday, August 2, 2017 that will restrict the use of U.S. passports to travel into, in, or through North Korea/the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), effective Friday, September 1, 2017."
Well I'm on board my flight to Shanghai so don't do anything until I get back in late September. Or if you are going after the Fat One then please give a fellow citizen a day to get somewhere safe. I'm not sure how China would react and I don't want to get caught in the middle.
Im not sure why anyone (ie Rodman) would ever want to go to North Korea in the first place. There is absolutely nothing there of any interest to anyone but the fat boy. Hes president of the worlds butthole...woopie.
What I'm worried about is EMP from a nuclear device. If we have a stated position of answering an attack by weapons of mass destruction with our own weapons of mass destruction then we could have massive EMP events very close to my aircraft. And the A320 is nothing if not totally controlled with computers. I wonder how far away I'd need to be to survive?
Just hit the ****er and knock him back into the stone age...
What we have, is a piss-ant 3rd world dictator holding an entire planet hostage with threats and grandiose and attention-seeking...
For ****s sakes, you tellin me with ALL of the snipers NATO has, we aint got one single one who can sneak across a border and put an end to the problem ?????
BULLSHIT
Fat-boy is alive because the political system wants him to be. I dont know what purpose he is serving, but if the west wanted rid of him he wold be.
Well hes supposed to attack guam any day now so hopefully this will wrap up quick. It wouldnt take more than a few hours of missile strikes to take out that tiny country, china said theyd stay out of it, so just get them over with already. Make an example of that dumbass. we wont get him alive but I dont want him in jail anyways. Nukes or not just bomb the s#$t outta them from every direction before they can launch much. Yeah some people are going to die, thats war. leave me alone, ill leave you alone, threaten me, ill take you out quick. Im a repairman, I fix problems once, fix em right, and fix em quick.
I saw a graphic on one of the news channels that their one launch, if the trajectory was FLATTENED OUT! would reach the Left coast. Huh? I think that the news station needs to tech up on how an ICBM works..........
I think many forget how open our southern boarder is.. It would not be that hard to get one on our own soil in an 18 wheeler, set it up in death valley and light it off..
During the dying days of Obama's administration, U.S. B-2 Stealth bombers were dispatched on a 32-hour mission to bomb ISIS targets in Libya. This is how it happened. http://www.popularmechanics...strike-against-isis/
"Oh, I'm so sorry I gave in to some of the bad, aggressive people around here and gave my assent for this bombing mission. I'm going to be like a Catholic and seek out a priest for confession." ~ President Obama
That's OK, though. I'm so sick of Winning, now that we have President Trump.
Catholic priest are known for things other than "confession". lol
You sure you wanna go there? 
as I see B-2s launch from Nellis AFB all the time. So many I can recognize them by sound now. 
