Democrats are complaining they have no idea whats in Trumps healthcare plan in the Senate. OK, didnt Obama push thru his plan with no one knowing what was in it ? Remember them saying they could read it after it passed ? Another case of we can do it, but you cant. They have to come up with something because Obamacare has already failed completely. Trump wants to have it in place before July 4th, but democrats say they will do everything they can to drag anything out past that date (just because), even if they would pass it. They cant have Trump do anything he says he will do at any and all cost.
Neither one. Single payer is the best bang for the buck.
Really? Have you even looked into this? California is talking about going single payer. Funny thing is that it would bankrupt California. The cost of single payer health care even with liberals doing the calculations is way bigger than the income to government for California. I will agree with you on the biggest bang for the bucks. It would be an explosion of debt and destroy health care no matter where it was put into use.
DRATTS YOU ARE HIGH, SINGLE PAYER WILL NEVER BE THE BEST BANK FOR THE BUCK.. Look at all the Medicaid waste, hell look at the waste and ballooning budgets of anything the government touch.. You want socialism so bad, move
Originally posted by MadMark: Really? Have you even looked into this? California is talking about going single payer. Funny thing is that it would bankrupt California. The cost of single payer health care even with liberals doing the calculations is way bigger than the income to government for California. I will agree with you on the biggest bang for the bucks. It would be an explosion of debt and destroy health care no matter where it was put into use.
From what I have read in the past, Dratts reply is usually something along the lines of: no he hasn't looked into it, and doesn't know what exactly would happen, but we have to do something, and he doesn't have a horse in this race because he retired with full coverage.
From what I have read in the past, Dratts reply is usually something along the lines of: no he hasn't looked into it, and doesn't know what exactly would happen, but we have to do something, and he doesn't have a horse in this race because he retired with full coverage.
Well I have looked into it and every country with single payer is happy with it. Health care should not be a profit making enterprise. We all need it and making it more expensive by adding a profit margin makes no sense to me. I think that my full coverage helps make me a more unbiased poster.
Well I have looked into it and every country with single payer is happy with it. Health care should not be a profit making enterprise. We all need it and making it more expensive by adding a profit margin makes no sense to me. I think that my full coverage helps make me a more unbiased poster.
Sure they are, That is why Canada is bitching about the new taxes.. and the 50%+ total the already hand over.. in taxes.. Try again..
No, you may not. Meetings, just as one's inevitable expiration, are also mandatory. Besides, by comparison, meetings can make ones demise seem like a welcome respite.
Well I have looked into it and every country with single payer is happy with it. Tattoos should not be a profit making enterprise. We all want em and making it more expensive by adding a profit margin makes no sense to me. I think that my full time tattoo business helped make me a more unbiased poster.
It all depends whose ox is being gored. If it's healthcare..or energy..or car manufacturers..or insurance companies, or beef producers, or internet/phone service providers, (or anyone else) then they seemingly, are all fair game for huge amounts of criticism regarding prices consumers pay. All I did was say the same thing about your little carved out niche in the world of capitalism.
(and no, I don't have a dog in this fight either. I pay for all my health care right out of my wallet.)
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It all depends whose ox is being gored. If it's healthcare..or energy..or car manufacturers..or insurance companies, or beef producers, or internet/phone service providers, (or anyone else) then they seemingly, are all fair game for huge amounts of criticism regarding prices consumers pay. All I did was say the same thing about your little carved out niche in the world of capitalism.
(and no, I don't have a dog in this fight either. I pay for all my health care right out of my wallet.)
I can't relate to free tattoos being the same as free healthcare. Single payer isn't free anyway, it's just paid for in taxes instead of premiums. I could pay for my medical out of my pocket so far too. I've been fortunate with my health but catastrophic incidents can happen at any time. One incident can wipe out everything you've saved or own. I'm 100% glad that you've been able to do it on your own and I admire that.
I can't relate to free tattoos being the same as free healthcare. Single payer isn't free anyway, it's just paid for in taxes instead of premiums. I could pay for my medical out of my pocket so far too. I've been fortunate with my health but catastrophic incidents can happen at any time. One incident can wipe out everything you've saved or own. I'm 100% glad that you've been able to do it on your own and I admire that.
I'd like to know how he finds doctors that will even see you without coverage, other than the local er or "clinic"
I've actually heard from some people that if you pay out of pocket the price drops, sometimes by 1/3.
Yup, when my dad died in the hospital, we got nearly $20k dropped right off the bat with very little argument. Ive saved a ton over the years paying cash for anything...including cars. Even some gas stations here offer lower prices to cash customers. I just filled a motorhome @ $1.65 a gallon...($2.05 for credit card).
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The biggest problem I would have with single payer in this country is how it would likely be designed. American politicians being who they are, there would probably be one system for the federal politicians and one for the rest of us. They've shown us that they'll do that already with exempting themselves and their staffs from the ACA. So to say that they wouldn't give themselves a gold plan and the rest of us schmos some crappy plan would be ignoring what they've done in the past.
Originally posted by E.Furgal: I'd like to know how he finds doctors that will even see you without coverage, other than the local er or "clinic"
I do it often. Doctors are not hard to find. None have turned me down. They all have a sign, ... "payment due after visit". You tell 'em you don't have insurance and ask them how much. They tell you. You can go or not. You can even price shop over the phone with different doctors. If you don't pay they call the police for theft of services, just like a hotel would, or a mechanic.
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Originally posted by 2.5: I've actually heard from some people that if you pay out of pocket the price drops, sometimes by 1/3.
Way more than a third. I forget what a MRI was going to cost if I was insured but it was way cheaper cash money, $1,200.00, as I said in this thread
Later in the same thread I exhibited more of my cash savings.
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Originally posted by cliffw: I recently took a physical for a job. They suspected that I have a double hernia. Instead of an MRI they said I could get an abdominal ultra sound. The cost ?
With insurance - $1,211.00
Payment Plan - $847.00
Cash up front - $155.00
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Originally posted by cliffw: It sucks to be me, . I have developed the big "C". Skin cancer. I don't have long to live, send me beer, .
Now, I do have a double hernia, whaa whaa me. Medical code 4905 says that I should pay $3,380.00. Cash price ? $1,200,00. That's just for the doctor.
Somehow or another, the doctor has listed $1,690,00 for Rt & Lft. Another $1,690.00. Cash price ? $600.00.
What my NobamaCare should pay (I have none) is $5,070.00. Cash price ? $1,800.00.
WE DON'T HAVE A HEALTH CARE CRISIS ! We have a cost crisis. Just like when gooberment decided to give college loans.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Today, I hear on the radio that free skin cancer evaluations are being done (a different source). What the heck is wrong with a second opinion, and, if it's free, it's for me.
The concurrence is that I do have the BIG c. He will remove it for $140.00, and he has been practicing for over 30 years here in Kerrville. I should say his $140.00 bucks includes a $40.00 ?biopsy? of said growth. The other guy charged me $50.00 for the biopsy and still wants $500.00 to remove it.
The thing with Obamacare or trumpcare is that they're both written for the insurance companies. I realize that the insurance companies only interest is in our health. They are completely unconcerned with profits. I'm so glad that they're on our side.
The thing with Obamacare or trumpcare is that they're both written for the insurance companies. I realize that the insurance companies only interest is in our health. They are completely unconcerned with profits. I'm so glad that they're on our side.
Of course they are interested in profits! That is what keeps them in business. You wouldn't want to pay the insurance company and then have them go bankrupt when you need to use 'your' insurance. Profits provide security for the customers and an opportunity for corporate growth.
Why is it good for an individual to work hard and make money, but when a group of people (corporation) work hard together and make money, they are 'evil'?
The thing with Obamacare or trumpcare is that they're both written for the insurance companies. I realize that the insurance companies only interest is in our health. They are completely unconcerned with profits. I'm so glad that they're on our side.
BCBS IS A NOn- PROFIT..
Yet, you have no dog in this fight get you keep pushing for government controlled and managed healthcare. Where the government employee gets to say if you get the care or not.. and you think, HMO'S are a nightmare.. Government should not have any fingers in this pie.. Zero, they should also not be forcing insurance down everyones throat..
Yet, you have no dog in this fight get you keep pushing for government controlled and managed healthcare. Where the government employee gets to say if you get the care or not.. and you think, HMO'S are a nightmare.. Government should not have any fingers in this pie.. Zero, they should also not be forcing insurance down everyones throat..
I agree about govn forcing insurance. I've had Kaiser for 25 years. It's an HMO. It has not been a nightmare. My concern is only for those who are suffering under the current healthcare coverage. I feel empathy. I understand the "I'm not my brothers keeper" when it applies to someone who is unwilling to put out any effort in helping themselves and there will always be some of those. I don't know how to sort them out. I'm probably voting against my own self interests since I am already covered and I'll probably be taxed so that others can have coverage too. Oh well.
Originally posted by dratts: I agree about govn forcing insurance. I've had Kaiser for 25 years. It's an HMO. It has not been a nightmare. My concern is only for those who are suffering under the current healthcare coverage. I feel empathy. I understand the "I'm not my brothers keeper" when it applies to someone who is unwilling to put out any effort in helping themselves and there will always be some of those. I don't know how to sort them out. I'm probably voting against my own self interests since I am already covered and I'll probably be taxed so that others can have coverage too. Oh well.
"em·pa·thy. [ˈempəTHē] NOUN the ability to understand and share the feelings of another."
Almost makes it sound like you are being charitable, but in the end only picking a certain type of person and acting on your empathy, thus ignoring the other types, and the other consequences of the actions.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Please defend this, I'm listening...
Cheaper healthcare for more people everywhere it's implemented. No insurance companies adding 20% to the product. With all the problems that ACA and ACHA are having this might be the right time.
I'd like to know how he finds doctors that will even see you without coverage, other than the local er or "clinic"
I've never had a problem. Medical doctors, dentists, dermatologists all love the almighty greenback. They get paid immediately rather than have to wait for payment from the insurance company. Their office staff isn't tied up processing forms either. It's more efficient, hence the HUGE discounts.
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