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Let's talk trash about right wing extremism... by Tony Kania
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Yes, let's have a thread about the crap that is on the right promoting hate and lies. I do not believe any of us are so extreme right? I know we do have/had a lot of that, but there is extreme leftism present also. We can go into a thread like that later, and this thread does not survive much chance of staying the course, but who on the extreme right really gets your goat? I have a few, and Alex Jones nearly heads that list of ****s that I could care less about. My absolute worst right wing information guy is Mark Dice. https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkDice An instigating self proclaimed "news reporter" that fills the internet with zero happiness. No fun, just a constant spew of disgust towards anything even remotely left.

There, my volley. Does this mean I am going to eat vegan? Hell no! But, there is filth in everyone's house. The garbage needs to be removed often or a stale stench will linger. You know who you are...

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I joined a Right Wing group on Facebook that had several White Supremacists posting crap. I reported, but nothing seemed to happen and I left the group.

There were hundreds of people posting about "reporting" the posts, and the one's posting the crap usually ended up having fake accounts, so it was heavily suspected that the Lefties were posting the stuff in the end. :/

In the end someone from that group invited me to a second group that wasn't so full of hate, and has moderators looking out for fake accounts better.

Does that count?
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Isn't "Islam" extreme right?
Extreme extremists?

I don't know any more. Bah.

Maybe the Church should go back to it's old ways. That's extreme right too...I think. Let 'em both duke it out.

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Personally, I think Alex Jones is a big crybaby. I can't stand to watch his videos, because he looks like he's going to burst into tears at any moment.
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Actually, Tony I know some that would be considered far-extreme and MOST of thier attitudes/ value system/ beliefs comes directly from being seriously screwed-over by the left and the various minorities/ special-interests (exactly the same place my alt-right views come from)

Screwed over by an anti-male family law system, some multiple times so they developed an anti-feminist/ female mindset.

Screwed over by racial minorities so they developed a racicst attitude.

Watch thier own rights and beliefs trampled and tossed aside by a socialist-leftist-liberalist azzwipes and they developed a retaliatory mindset.

What I see with the far right, is white males standing up for themselves and refusing to be stolen from and subjugated anymore, and fighting back against their tormentors.
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Screwed over by racial minorities so they developed a racicst attitude.

Watch thier own rights and beliefs trampled and tossed aside by a socialist-leftist-liberalist azzwipes and they developed a retaliatory mindset.

What I see with the far right, is white males standing up for themselves and refusing to be stolen from and subjugated anymore, and fighting back against their tormentors.

I think these are most of my reasons for leaning right. I dont consider myself an extremist though. I do consider myself conservative and a lean towards the right. Definitely not as extreme as skinheads and similar activists. I can live and let live...if left alone.
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I'm about the same Roger, maybe a little more militant.

Cant be bothered going to join S. O. O. Or whoever and patrolling the streets, but I damn sure WILL slam a door in somebody's face and tell them to GTFO of my existance.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Yes, let's have a thread about the crap that is on the right promoting hate and lies. I do not believe any of us are so extreme right? I know we do have/had a lot of that, but there is extreme leftism present also. We can go into a thread like that later, and this thread does not survive much chance of staying the course, but who on the extreme right really gets your goat? I have a few, and Alex Jones nearly heads that list of ****s that I could care less about. My absolute worst right wing information guy is Mark Dice. https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkDice An instigating self proclaimed "news reporter" that fills the internet with zero happiness. No fun, just a constant spew of disgust towards anything even remotely left.

There, my volley. Does this mean I am going to eat vegan? Hell no! But, there is filth in everyone's house. The garbage needs to be removed often or a stale stench will linger. You know who you are...




In all seriousness... Alex Jones isn't really "extreme right." He's an entertainer... not like Rush Limbaugh saying he's an entertainer, but Alex Jones really is an entertainer. Along the same lines as Steven Colbert. There are some people that take Alex Jones VERY seriously... just like there are people who are die hard Steven Colbert and that is their primary source of news.

There's a lot of conspiracy stuff with Alex Jones, but he knows most of it is crazy, and a lot of it is for fun.

Granted, the only time I've watched / listened to it is when you guys post something here... but in the short time I've spent reading about him... he's really just "entertainment" that's political.


I think "Right Wing" extremism would be like the Westborough Baptist people.

Honestly, white supremists really aren't "Republican." I mean, we KNOW they all used to be Democrats back in the day, but the vast majority of them are pro-Socialism / labor.

The ONLY reason why any of them even voted for Trump this year is because he said he wanted to curb illegal immigration, and they some how see that as limiting non-white people.


I honestly don't even know why we're talking about this.

When was the last time a right-wing "extremist" group rioted and destroyed the main street of a city, town, or metropolis? Last crazy group I can think of was the Davidian Branch in Waco Texas with David Koresh.
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Actually, I know a lot of right-wingers who are pro-labor, I'm one of them.

I expect to get PAID for my work, and I'll be DAMNED if I am going to "donate" it to some company or entrepreneur. ... I ALSO expect them to pay their own operating costs and NOT try to download them onto the staff.

If they want to operate on an OPM principal then that's EXACTLY what they are going to do. Use OTHER PEOPLES, they aint using mine !!
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When was the last time a right-wing "extremist" group rioted and destroyed the main street of a city, town, or metropolis? Last crazy group I can think of was the Davidian Branch in Waco Texas with David Koresh.


The Branch Davidians were a crazy group for sure. "Extremist", yes. Right wing ? Rioted and destroyed the main street of a city, town, or metropolis?

It didn't happen. They were attacked by the US government on their own private property.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

When was the last time a right-wing "extremist" group rioted and destroyed the main street of a city, town, or metropolis? Last crazy group I can think of was the Davidian Branch in Waco Texas with David Koresh.


Actually Todd, the Branch Davidians just wanted to stay in their compound and run their nutty doomsday prepper cult.
They didn't riot or destroy any towns or businesses.

It was Democrat Janet Reno as Bill Clinton's AG that brought down the full force and fury of the government on the Davidians and burned and shot them to death.

That would be the very SAME Janet Reno who also used the full force and fury of the government to grab the little Cuban refugee boy, Elián González, away from relatives in Miami and ship him back to communist Cuba.


Democrats.

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I seem to remember that there was some child molestation going on there so something had to be done. Handled badly though just as they handled Ruby Ridge badly.
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I seem to remember that there was some child molestation going on there so something had to be done.


Molestation?
Not according to reports:

"None of the girls who left said she actually had been sexually abused by Koresh.

Perry said several of the girls had circular marks on their buttocks that probably were caused by paddling. He said the children told of being struck with a paddle called "the helper" for offenses as minor as spilling milk.

Karen Eells, regional director of the Texas Child's Protective Services division, said previously that the children had shown no signs of physical abuse."

Federal officials, including Atty. Gen. Janet Reno, cited reports of child abuse as justification for the raid that began hours before a fire April 19 that destroyed the compound."

http://articles.chicagotrib...d-perry-51-day-siege

Abusive environment? Perhaps, but that hardly falls under the purview of the federal government.....unless you're a liberal Democrat.

There were later accusations during the Senate investigations in 1995 of sex with Koresh from a couple of the girls in the cult, but this was long after the ashes had settled.

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The Branch Dividians.

Todd, you touched a nerve of mine. I am not here to defend them though.

randye, I heard tell of child molestation. I think I believe it to be true. Possibly not, I don't know. A girl wouldn't say she was molested if she thought she was not. That was a cult.

Todd, our government fracked up. I was elated when they stormed the Mt. Carmel complex and they got their azzes handed to them. When they had to run for cover, covering their azzes. When they had to ask for permission to go collect their dead and wounded.

The debacle attracted millions of viewers, many (a minority) in person. One such soul was Timothy McVeigh. Who went on to truck fertilizer bomb the Alfred Murray Federal building. In Oklahoma City. On the same date The Davidians were eradicated, and also the same day Randy Weaver's wife was shot dead, by FBI sharp shooting snipers, while the lady was holding her baby.

What was the reason for the Dividian raid ? Second Amendment violations. Not gun crimes nor gun threats.
Second Amendment violations ? I live in Texas and they used to.

Did the Dividians vote right wing ? Were they right wing extremists ? Did they even vote.

Timothy McVeigh ? Did he even vote ?

That Branch Dividian leader, David Koresh, he was a kook. His followers ? The same. They thought David was Jesus.

On the other hand, David Koresh was not crazy. He would rather die on his feet than die on his knees.
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The Branch Davidians.

A long watch, kind'a dry at times, eye opening.


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Present Attorney General William Sessions was heading the FBI then.

His wife was interviewed.

 
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... that brought down the full force and fury of the government on the Davidians and burned and shot them to death.


It appears that the Davidians were also attacked with chemical weapons. The FBI leader of sniper team "blue" claimed no shots were fired. Four expended shell casings found. This same leader shot Randy Weaver's wife Vickie dead, at Ruby Ridge. While she was holding their child.

It also appears that there was a government effort to destroy evidence. In fact, some of the evidence which was collected, "disappeared" when requested for defense of those charged. One such cache of evidence was signed out on Shillary Clinton's directive. Never to be seen again.

I know that was a long watch but we should see what we don't want to see.
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Just an observation on my own thread...

I began this thread in hopes of evening out this so called one sided forum. I have yet to even hear from any of the left? Not one thing from them? Huh?

Newf began calling out folks at 7am Eastern time in regards to a posting. I have waited four days. Is that enough time?

Again, this thread was supposed to help the flow, but it really just justifies the thought of their false actions. Carry on...
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:


I began this thread in hopes of evening out this so called one sided forum. I have yet to even hear from any of the left? Not one thing from them? Huh?



Could it be that you & others have reduced varied & independent-thinking individuals into one group*, and only one, a group that is automatically seen by the other group as the enemy?
Black & white.
No grey.

That environment provides little opportunity for rational, productive verbal intercourse.

*"The Left"

No Man Is An Island ~ John Dunn

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;

if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were;

any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.


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Could it be that you & others have reduced varied & independent-thinking individuals into one group*, and only one, a group that is automatically seen by the other group as the enemy?


No, I believe that us "others" are stemmed in reality and not fantasy.


 
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Black & white.
No grey.

That environment provides little opportunity for rational, productive verbal intercourse.

*"The Left"



Again, I reference facts.


 
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[i]No Man Is An Island ~ John Dunn



I agree, but if there are members of society that only take and not produce, then they are a burden. I see too much of a self imposed burden by many. I am not one of those.

A lesion should be removed. *Just an analogy. I am sure that If not disclaimed, then many left leaners will use that as an ultimate.

Enjoy the day Boondawg. But, stay out of crap marked "Political". It really is simple. I enter Political threads understanding. If that is not your taste, then by all means, and welcoming, post that which you enjoy. Enter threads that excite you and simmer up your "verbal intercourse". Not all threads are orgasms my good man. I say seek that which you want. I am happy with my course of life. If you are not happy with my course of life, then bypass me. It really is quite simple, but the left feels this strong need to interfere with my life.

You do you, and I will do me. Do not call folks out and even think that they will sit idle. You have spoke of your dislike for me, and it was noted. I continue to tell others to enjoy their day, but get little in return but grief? Not all left leaners are this way here, but you kids neg more than anyone else. Self reflection and all?

Enjoy your day!
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Actually, I know a lot of right-wingers who are pro-labor, I'm one of them.

I expect to get PAID for my work, and I'll be DAMNED if I am going to "donate" it to some company or entrepreneur. ... I ALSO expect them to pay their own operating costs and NOT try to download them onto the staff.

If they want to operate on an OPM principal then that's EXACTLY what they are going to do. Use OTHER PEOPLES, they aint using mine !!



Well, look... I am too. But... the unions sometimes take it too far. In many cases, the unions, AND the corporations, are both in bed with the Democrats, making the Democrats the deal-brokers... which is extremely dangerous. I'm not averse to labor unions, but I know that in modern times, they've gone too far. While at the same time... many corporations have also succeeded BECAUSE they've negotiated with the Democrats to be the "favored" company to succeed, and the regulations largely do not affect them, but their competitors.

So... with all of that in mind, yes... we know who the enemy is. It's not companies, and it's not unions... but the greed and corruption that festers in both because of Democrat collusion.


 
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The Branch Davidians were a crazy group for sure. "Extremist", yes. Right wing ? Rioted and destroyed the main street of a city, town, or metropolis?

It didn't happen. They were attacked by the US government on their own private property.


 
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Actually Todd, the Branch Davidians just wanted to stay in their compound and run their nutty doomsday prepper cult.
They didn't riot or destroy any towns or businesses.

Democrats.




You guys are right. I realized it after I had posted it. But they were still considered right-wing... at least by the left's definition because they took a decidedly odd-twist on Christianity and made it their thing. I'm not going to defend them. The government definitely came on their soil... but they were very Jim Jones. People should be allowed to live and let live... but when their basic human rights are being abused... you have to question their existence. I'm not going to armchair what Janet Reno did with David Koresh... she probably could have handled it differently. But I certainly didn't have a problem with her rooting it out.

As with Elion Gonzales? I put that squarely on Bill Clinton, not Janet Reno. I wasn't a Reno fan... (or necessarily against her)... but it was clear that was a directive from Bill. Personally, I'm a huge fan of going against anything that Cuba wants. So if it were me as president, I'd have told Fidel to go f**k himself and that I wasn't going to discuss it anymore.

That kid is now a full-on Communist propaganda leader.


 
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Todd, our government fracked up. I was elated when they stormed the Mt. Carmel complex and they got their azzes handed to them. When they had to run for cover, covering their azzes. When they had to ask for permission to go collect their dead and wounded.



Cliff, I would like to leave you with one thought on this.

Those people, IE: the Federal employees... they are Americans too. And while they are representing the Federal office they work for, many, if not most of those men / women in particular, are proud Americans. Many of them take their jobs because of their pride for America and choose that line of work because they want to serve their country... and the values for which our country stands for. Every single one of those men and women take an oath to the Constitution... not the establishment, but the Constitution. Just keep that in mind when the government does something you don't necessarily agree with.

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Cliff, I would like to leave you with one thought on this.

Those people, IE: the Federal employees... they are Americans too. And while they are representing the Federal office they work for, many, if not most of those men / women in particular, are proud Americans. Many of them take their jobs because of their pride for America and choose that line of work because they want to serve their country... and the values for which our country stands for. Every single one of those men and women take an oath to the Constitution... not the establishment, but the Constitution.

Just keep that in mind when the government does something you don't necessarily agree with.



Thank you Todd. You are a good man. One day I am going to come by your house and let you buy me a beer, .

I understand, and I do believe in the United States of America. I do believe in the Constitution. The Branch Dividians didn't break the Constitution from what I can see.

In fact, according to that docudrama "WACO" I linked, the Constitution was indeed broken by the FEDS. By violating the Posse Comitatus Act. Why were the feds even involved anyway ? They chose to be.

I don't usually ask anyone to spend almost two hours to watch anything I think. I urge you to look at that docudrama I linked. It is peppered with many live interviews from both sides, and live Congressional hearings. Interviews from people such as a Texas Ranger (look that term up in your 'welcome to Texas' book) who analyzed the debacle.

I get it. Your point has been made.

 
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You guys are right. I realized it after I had posted it.


I take no glee in that. I will however say that I will take your advice under advisement. The next time the IRS targets TEA Party conservatives, I will think about all those rank and file employees who did not have to take an oath to the Constitution. I could go on and on and on.

When the government does something I do not necessarily agree with, the Constitution gives me the RIGHT to question my government.

God Bless The USA.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
It really is quite simple, but the left feels this strong need to interfere with my life.


Strange.
You title a thread: "Let's talk trash about right wing extremism...".

You than ask the question: "I have yet to even hear from any of the left? Not one thing from them? Huh?".

I offer a possible explanation: "Could it be that you & others have reduced varied & independent-thinking individuals into one group*, and only one, a group that is automatically seen by the other group as the enemy?", also in the form of a question.

And this is your response?:

 
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Enjoy the day Boondawg. But, stay out of crap marked "Political". It really is simple. I enter Political threads understanding. If that is not your taste, then by all means, and welcoming, post that which you enjoy. Enter threads that excite you and simmer up your "verbal intercourse". Not all threads are orgasms my good man. I say seek that which you want. I am happy with my course of life. If you are not happy with my course of life, then bypass me. It really is quite simple, but the left feels this strong need to interfere with my life.

You do you, and I will do me. Do not call folks out and even think that they will sit idle. You have spoke of your dislike for me, and it was noted. I continue to tell others to enjoy their day, but get little in return but grief? Not all left leaners are this way here, but you kids neg more than anyone else. Self reflection and all?


It sounds like you are the one that is seeking discourse...I only asked a question.
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The liberals live in fantasy and the rest of us in reality.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

It sounds like you are the one that is seeking discourse...I only asked a question.


 
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Could it be that you & others have reduced varied & independent-thinking individuals into one group*, and only one, a group that is automatically seen by the other group as the enemy?
Black & white.
No grey.


No, you have a way of blaming the right even in a simple question.

And, am I not too seek the discourse of my own choosing?

You have a certain rose colored glasses allure about you. I mentioned posting in happy threads. I still feel that is where you belong, but hey, who am I to judge. I lean right, and only left leaners are allowed to judge? Yeah, no...
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I take no glee in that. I will however say that I will take your advice under advisement. The next time the IRS targets TEA Party conservatives, I will think about all those rank and file employees who did not have to take an oath to the Constitution. I could go on and on and on.

When the government does something I do not necessarily agree with, the Constitution gives me the RIGHT to question my government.

God Bless The USA.



ALL Federal employees take an Oath of Office. The Oath is their sworn commitment to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America.


 
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I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.



Everyone has to do this.

They always say bad things happen when good men do nothing. But it's much more difficult than that. You do have a lot of ideological people who are willing accomplices to do illegal things... like for example, conspire with the White House to target Tea Party organizations through the IRS. Sometimes the people pulling the information don't even know what they're pulling.

Anyway, yes... just wanted to make that point. They're not evil because they work for the Government. The problem is ideology... it's always the problem. When / if the ideology doesn't align with the Constitution... bad things happen... and you get people like Bradley/Chelsea Manning, or Louis Lerner.
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All that I remember about Manning was the video showing a helicopter crew shooting up a 'group of journalists' with glee. I don't trust my memory any more so there's plenty of room to correct me if needed.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
ALL Federal employees take an Oath of Office. The Oath is their sworn commitment to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America.


Todd, I have never caught you lying to me but that don't sound right.
So I checked. With my step Mom, who worked at the VA hospital for 20+ years. She did have to take an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America.

My USPS Post Man didn't.

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Todd, I have never caught you lying to me but that don't sound right.
So I checked. With my step Mom, who worked at the VA hospital for 20+ years. She did have to take an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America.

My USPS Post Man didn't.



...because HE is a contractor.

Contractors don't have to take an oath of office. Federal employees do.
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...because HE is a contractor.

Contractors don't have to take an oath of office. Federal employees do.


No. USPS employees are Federal Employees. While in some circumstances, we are not affected by certain directives aimed at other Federal employees, we are still considered as such. It's been a long time...32 years...but I don't recall having to have taken an oath of office when I was hired.

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Originally posted by litespd:

No. USPS employees are Federal Employees. While in some circumstances, we are not affected by certain directives aimed at other Federal employees, we are still considered as such. It's been a long time...32 years...but I don't recall having to have taken an oath of office when I was hired.



Almost all new USPS employees that are hired, are contractors now. It's an attempt to reduce the red.

ALL Federal employees, as per OPM requirements, must recite the oath of office.


5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)
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USPS is a private company, not a Federal agency or organization. Most all the employees are standard employees as they would be at UPS or FedEx.
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Dolty wrong again.

http://postalnews.com/blog/...a-government-agency/

Surprise, surprise.

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The USPS often is mischaracterized as a quasi governmental or private entity. It is neither. The USPS is a government agency that was created by Congress to achieve various public purposes. Federal law defines what products and services the Postal Service may offer. Additionally, the USPS’s employees are federal employees who participate in the Civil Service Retirement System, the Federal Employees Retirement System, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Dolty wrong again.

http://postalnews.com/blog/...a-government-agency/

Surprise, surprise.

(from the link)

The USPS often is mischaracterized as a quasi governmental or private entity. It is neither. The USPS is a government agency that was created by Congress to achieve various public purposes. Federal law defines what products and services the Postal Service may offer. Additionally, the USPS’s employees are federal employees who participate in the Civil Service Retirement System, the Federal Employees Retirement System, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.



Yep... only thing though, is that almost all new mail carriers, are hired as contractors. They rarely hire civil service employees anymore. Most of the sorters and stuff at the facilities are also contractors. The government hires contractors heavily... because they can hire them seasonally, move them around, and not have to deal with the rights and responsibilities that the civilians have.

I mean, there's a pretty good chance that your mailman or mailwoman is a civilian / Federal employee... but the temps, and most of the people sorting the mail in the back are contractors.
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I still want to believe in you Todd, .

 
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Yep... only thing though, is that almost all new mail carriers, are hired as contractors.


Do they or do they not work for the government ? The Federal Government. The Constitutional government.

I am joshing but, can we let the Ruskies have a job within our government ? Eh, why not. We let Dumbocrats have 'em.

Now I am curious. I am going to make some calls to my empowered government "employees". Who am I kidding ? I would like the IRS to answer the phone.

 
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They rarely hire civil service employees anymore. Most of the sorters and stuff at the facilities are also contractors. The government hires contractors heavily... because they can hire them seasonally, move them around, and not have to deal with the rights and responsibilities that the civilians have.


That doesn't sound right. You just said that the government hires contractors, to not have to deal with the rights that the civilians have.


 
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I mean, there's a pretty good chance that your mailman or mailwoman is a civilian / Federal employee... but the temps, and most of the people sorting the mail in the back are contractors.


Do they get $15.00 an hour, ?

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Originally posted by dobey:

USPS is a private company, not a Federal agency or organization. Most all the employees are standard employees as they would be at UPS or FedEx.


Yeah, skirting the truth? No, just wrong as usual. Man, you sure do nag a lot.
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I still want to believe in you Todd, .

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Do they or do they not work for the government ? The Federal Government. The Constitutional government.

I am joshing but, can we let the Ruskies have a job within our government ? Eh, why not. We let Dumbocrats have 'em.

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Now I am curious. I am going to make some calls to my empowered government "employees". Who am I kidding ? I would like the IRS to answer the phone.

That doesn't sound right. You just said that the government hires contractors, to not have to deal with the rights that the civilians have.

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Do they get $15.00 an hour, ?




Hah... I realize that might not have made sense.

"Civilians" = non-military Federal employees. I don't mean like people who don't work for the government as in US citizens.

Contractors... whether Defense or non-Defense, don't have to take the oath of office. The reason for this is because they have NO SAY in how things are run. Their jobs are uniquely defined in a contract that's ultimately laid out in requirements defined by the gaining agency / department through specifications defined by GSA contracting standards.

Contractors are not given health care, retirement, or anything else. Contractors "typically" make more money than Federal employees, but they do not get the same benefits that the civilian employees get. There are two kinds of personnel contracts that are awarded... either "Pay for Performance," which means that the contract has to ensure the job gets done... whether that's with 1 employee... or 50 employees, and then individual position contracts... which is where a person is hired to perform a specific duty.

Anyway, because the USPS is constantly in the red (they're doing pretty bad financially, let's be honest), they have been hiring more and more contractors as their civilian employees cycle out through normal attrition (retirement, moving on, whatever). I mean, the USPS was never meant to be a break-even organization. There are very few Federal organizations that are like that.


I don't know what contractors make... it's all dependent upon what was agreed in the contract. Most contracts go through an evaluation process where they define "risk to the government" if the job is not being met or the standards are unsuccessful. The company that gets the winning bid might actually be the same person who's going to be filling the contract himself... or, it could be he's just a middle-man that then hires out the job. So... a contract might pay $150k to perform a service (about the equivalent to a single mid-step GS-15 civilian employee pay). The winning bidder then realizes that he can fill this job with THREE contactors, each making $35k. That means his lay-out only ends up being 105k, so he will literally take-home $45k profit while sitting at home and watching TV. The only thing he has to do is handle the employee pay and benefits, and go to a couple of meetings once a year.


But yeah, contractors do not take the Oath of Office, but all civilian Federal employees do.

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Speaking of... if I'm not mistaken, it seems like all new neighborhoods are REQUIRED to have their mail delivered to community mail box centers.

My parents bought a fancy new house in a super-exclusive area... it's a huge home, in a private neighborhood... and no one has mail boxes. They have to drive their golf carts to a small little building at the end of their neighborhood where they all have little mail boxes in a wall-unit.

Then when I was shopping for a home here in San Antonio, I looked at new construction first and noticed that NONE of the homes had mail boxes... they all had the little mail service centers too.


Is this some new Federal law or something? That any residence built after (whatever year... 2010 or something???) must get their mail from a little community mail building?
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Its cost-savings.

Canada Post started doing the same thing here 30 years ago with new construction, then over the next 20-25 retrofitted all the existing neighborhoods. As far as I know very few get peronal delivery anymore, everything goes to those community mail boxes.

Lots cheaper and faster for them to deiver to one of those, than to each individual house.
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Its cost-savings.

Canada Post started doing the same thing here 30 years ago with new construction, then over the next 20-25 retrofitted all the existing neighborhoods. As far as I know very few get peronal delivery anymore, everything goes to those community mail boxes.

Lots cheaper and faster for them to deiver to one of those, than to each individual house.



The neighborhood I live in now has super-fancy brick mail boxes in front of each home... it's basically a brick structure made from the same brick that's used as the façade of the actual home (each home has a different color brick or stone), with a mail-box embedded into it.

In my Florida home... just a lame mail box on a post! haha...


But those old "craftsman" style homes with the mail slots in the door... those are cool!
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... homes with the mail slots in the door... those are cool!



Up until a meth head puts an arm in and unlocks the door.

I had a thread here about five or six years ago where that happened to us. That mail slot got filled in with wood and glue. The fancy looking brass is still there, but the slut does not work.
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