quote Originally posted by 2.5: He has passion, just for the wrong stuff. ..And only appealing to emotion.

Well we disagree and that's ok.

quote Originally posted by dratts: Well we disagree and that's ok.

Its ok now for many, it wont be ok with many when their freedoms are gone, when they dont own anything and are all working for a rationed amount of government allowed food.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Its ok now for many, it wont be ok with many when their freedoms are gone, when they dont own anything and are all working for a rationed amount of government allowed food.

I don't see that happening.

quote Originally posted by dratts: I don't see that happening.

It is happening now. My Christmas dinner is non existent because of unexpected bills. Because I had to fork out more than what was thought, Ben gets little.

There are severe consequences to being poor.

quote Originally posted by dratts: One of us is ignorant though. If you think that I'm talking about you please don't take it as an insult. It's obviously a compliment. You're welcome.

How's that sarcasm working out for you?

quote Originally posted by dratts: I don't see that happening.

It seems to be what Bernie wants, whether he can see those eventualities, or just see his present emotions.

Socialism has the same problem healthcare and life insurance,
The only people who want it can't afford but need the use it. And
those who don't want it, don't want to pay for until they need it.

The only difference is those who can't afford it have no problem
enslaving those who (they believe) can. They think it's okay to demand
others change their lifestyle so they can keep the one they can not sustain
themselves.

Socialism is slavery of all, both the willing and unwilling.
The difference between capitalism and socialism - only one has the option
of changing employers. The other, quitting is a crime against the Government.
As much as I disagree with our current tax code, I at least could choose to
have no income and therefore no tax burden. oops, I forgot about ACA.
Even the jobless have a tax obligation.......


edit: seriously, I thought it was me (probably is) but I read re-read and re-re-read.
still didn't see the typos.....

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Any time those in the upper 1% are asked to pay the same tax rate as those in low income jobs they scream socialism.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: How's that sarcasm working out for you?

You caught that huh? Just kidding though.

Dang,
I'm going to have to check my paycheck again. I had no idea I made enough to be a 1%.

OK, all you lower and middle class folks need to start bowing down.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

quote Originally posted by jmclemore: Socialism has the same problem healthcare and life insurance, The only people who want it can't afford but need the use it. And those who don't want it, don't want to pay for until they need it. The only difference is those who can't afford it have no problem enslaving those who (they believe) can. They think it's okay to demand others change their lifestyle so they can keep the one they can not sustain themselves. Socialism is slavery of all, both the willing and unwilling. The difference between capitalism and socialism - only one has the option of changing employers. The other, quitting is a crime against the Government. As much as I disagree with our current tax code, I at least could choose to have no income and therefore no tax burden. oops, I forgot about ACA. Even the jobless have a tax obligation....... edit: seriously, I thought it was me (probably is) but I read re-read and re-re-read. still didn't see the typos.....

I'm no expert on socialism so maybe everything you said is right. I'm sure that some of it is. Bernie is not a socialist though. He's a democratic socialist which I read to be a combination of capitalism and socialism. Our country is a combination of capitalism and socialism. If I had to choose between pure capitalism and pure socialism I would choose capitalism but both would suck on their own.

The hard version -



The easy version -

quote Originally posted by dratts: I'm no expert on socialism so maybe everything you said is right. I'm sure that some of it is. Bernie is not a socialist though. He's a democratic socialist which I read to be a combination of capitalism and socialism. Our country is a combination of capitalism and socialism. If I had to choose between pure capitalism and pure socialism I would choose capitalism but both would suck on their own.

Yeah, and I am not a conservative either. (See I just said I wasn't, so that means I am not a conservative)

Rose

Rosa

Rosaceae

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quote Originally posted by jmclemore: could choose to have no income and therefore no tax burden.

..and even if it were true, sounds like a good way to collapse an economy and a country.

I hear people complain about either Big Government or Big Business. What's the difference?
Coca-Cola won't show up at your door and demand you buy their product at gunpoint or pay a fine.

quote Originally posted by tebailey: When the upper 1% are asked to pay the same tax rate as those in low income jobs they scream socialism.

Have data for that?
Also is that all that Bernie plans?
Also just as an aside, I am not in in the upper 1%.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Rosaceae

The Yellow Rosaceae of Texas? That doesn't work. Shakespeare was wrong.
(On a side note: I just looked up the song, interesting history, I didn't know it was that old)