Spokane is welcoming 1,400 Syrian "refugees". We have "Spokane News" on Facebook. A relatively informative local news outlet. You can call me racist, but it is clear that many of these "refugees" commit crimes here. Even now there is a video of a suspect as he walks towards his victim.
What else is needed as proof to which I often allude?
(Carson)"The presidential hopeful announced his position at a news conference scheduled late Sunday night. He told reporters that he has sent a letter to House Speaker Paul Ryan asking to move a bill that "terminates all ongoing funding for any federal programs that seek to resettle refugees and/or migrants from Syria into the United States, effective immediately." "Congress I think should defund all the programs that allow all these people to be here. Immediately. Today," Carson said Monday in Nevada. " http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/...es-letter/index.html
"Donald Trump says he's now more against allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. than ever, warning it could be a way for terrorists to sneak into the country. "We have no idea who these people are, we are the worst when it comes to paperwork," Trump said Monday on CNBC. "This could be one of the great Trojan horses." http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/...-refugees/index.html
State Governors have absolutely no authority to stop this.
But, they may still be able to slow it down through the courts though, I doubt it will do any good.
Similar to the Cuban Boat Lift, the feds can put the "refugees" on any of their federal lands to include military fort and bases.
Edited: Want to stop or at least slow the terrorism down, I sincerely believe that if an individual is willing to die for his/her cause, there is very little anyone can do to stop it from happening if the individual is smart enough to conceal prior to the event.
The only way I know to slow this down is to speak softly and carry a big stick. Make it known that any terror on us will be reacted to with pure hell coming down on the "terrorist's" home country, specifically, their home town, community, village, or sand trap. Let everyone know that for every American killed or injured, we will eliminate a village and all living things there. Then do it.
A terrorist is always willing to die for their cause but, they are not normally willing to let their family, friends, children, and others they care about die for their cause. Some will but, most won't. By killing all related to these terrorists, eventually, we will bring this stupidity to an end. Some will say, that we don't go around killing mothers, sisters, fathers, brothers and children. I also don't wish to do this but, tell that to the Boston Bombers, the folks on that Russian airliner or the folks the in twin towers and their families.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
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Theres about a dozen states that say they will NOT accept the government shipping them into that state. What exactly they would do is not clear. Refuse to give them housing, food or medical care might be a start. Make them have to PAY for their needs. If they want in, let them apply legally and wait like everyone else does. What the country dont need is more freeloaders than we already cant handle. Would you pay a 10% higher property and income tax to support them ?
Theres about a dozen states that say they will NOT accept the government shipping them into that state. What exactly they would do is not clear. Refuse to give them housing, food or medical care might be a start. Make them have to PAY for their needs. If they want in, let them apply legally and wait like everyone else does. What the country dont need is more freeloaders than we already cant handle. Would you pay a 10% higher property and income tax to support them ?
Roger, State Governors do not control what happens on Federal property. Google the Cuban Boat Lift.
I was sent to Ft Chaffee, AR during the Boat Lift. All the Cubans were inside a fenced area in barracks. This occurred on Federal property without any state approval.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
The one in Texas was, and that's irrefutable, regardless of all the "I'm skeered--somebody help me!!" rhetoric that the tin foil hat/paranoia corps spewed out. And according to the news, there have been no clock parts found in the Paris suicide belts and vests, so we're all still safe leaving our alarm clocks on the bedside table, but if you really feel that insecure and feel you must, go ahead and call the local bomb squad to have yours checked out.
Melanie's grand parent on both side emigrated to the US from Poland back just after WWII started in Europe. They had to go threw Ellis island and have a physical as well as a sponsor before ever entering the US, if not, back they went' why don't we do that now?
Or we could do what we did to the Japanese Americans then. But I tend to agree with this woman on doing that or something like that again.
"Our nation's diversity is really our strength," Tamai said. "By not protecting a minority, it really reflects that American membership is not valid. We need to remember that we believe in ideals and that we need to uphold them."
Although I am beginning to think I may be wrong and maybe we should go back to having them all go threw an Ells island before ever getting admittance to the US,
Steve
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The states have neither the manpower power nor the constitutional authority to prevent free movement of anyone once the fed has allowed them entrance. You think not true? Try stopping an illegal Mexican from driving from Texas accross the Red River into Oklahoma. Not, gonna happen. Not under the auspices of "You can't enter our state" anyway. Privileges and immunity clause? Nope, that won't work either.
Originally posted by blackrams: Roger, State Governors do not control what happens on Federal property. Google the Cuban Boat Lift.
I was sent to Ft Chaffee, AR during the Boat Lift. All the Cubans were inside a fenced area in barracks. This occurred on Federal property without any state approval.
What fed property are they going to be on??????????? News flash they are not putting them up, in federal building, they'll be in sec 8/etc housing on state land.. so explain why the governor can't tell the feds no..
The states have neither the manpower power nor the constitutional authority to prevent free movement of anyone once the fed has allowed them entrance. You think not true? Try stopping an illegal Mexican from driving from Texas accross the Red River into Oklahoma. Not, gonna happen. Not under the auspices of "You can't enter our state" anyway. Privileges and immunity clause? Nope, that won't work either.
state can decide to not offer housing,food stamps,etc to them.. the feds should honor the states wishes, but they won't , they'll tell the state if you don't go along with it, we'll cut road grants, or something..
OK, if the government brings in 25,000 Syrians and wants to keep them fenced in like at Guantanamo or other bases, fine. Let them also feed them with their already current budget too. Dont turn them loose on the city streets.
Gov. Jerry Brown says CA wants them all. You guys are lucky to NOT have TOTAL IDIOTS running your States.
That's because he doesn't care about the people in the state, he cares about the money he'll get for the till, taking them in.. And look like an angel to all the latino's in that state with illegal family there or on the way..
State Governors have absolutely no authority to stop this. But, they may still be able to slow it down through the courts though, I doubt it will do any good.
Edited: Want to stop or at least slow the terrorism down, I sincerely believe that if an individual is willing to die for his/her cause, there is very little anyone can do to stop it from happening if the individual is smart enough to conceal prior to the event.
The only way I know to slow this down is to speak softly and carry a big stick. Make it known that any terror on us will be reacted to with pure hell coming down on the "terrorist's" home country, specifically, their home town, community, village, or sand trap. Let everyone know that for every American killed or injured, we will eliminate a village and all living things there. Then do it
I actually listened to a program about this at lunch. It seems that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution giving the Federal government any rights towards mandating immigrants. Congress only gave the rules to be followed to allow a person to immigrate, nothing else. The individual STATES were given the right to enforce immigration into their jurisdiction. So Congress says the states control their own policies. So in a nutshell, they said the Federal Government CANNOT do anything about a state NOT wanting them to enter. They said its something that the government beats into everyone that they are the all controlling entity over it...while they actually ARE NOT.
I actually listened to a program about this at lunch. It seems that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution giving the Federal government any rights towards mandating immigrants. Congress only gave the rules to be followed to allow a person to immigrate, nothing else. The individual STATES were given the right to enforce immigration into their jurisdiction. So Congress says the states control their own policies. So in a nutshell, they said the Federal Government CANNOT do anything about a state NOT wanting them to enter. They said its something that the government beats into everyone that they are the all controlling entity over it...while they actually ARE NOT.
yes,, but sadly, the fed will do like they always do, if you don't play ball we will withhold funds slated for roads, schools, retirement housing, police, fire.. I hope not if the fed pull this, but when they do, the states tell the fed's to pound sand, and screw..
I think there are two problems that people have with letting the refugees in and it's not that they're Muslim as some would like you to believe. Most are people who are trying to escape a very bad situation and this country has a long history of taking in people trying to escape bad situations, but this time is different. One of the issues, of course, is how are we going to take in and take care of 10,000 people when we have our own citizens, to include a lot of veterans, who are still homeless. Especially when that 10,000 will likely quickly become a number into the hundreds of thousands. But that's secondary to how the refugees will be vetted before being transported here. Most people don't have any confidence in our government to properly screen out the bad guys from a very large group of people. The vetting process will likely go something like this:
"Are you a terrorist?" "No." "Okay, good enough for me. Through that door please."
I exaggerate, but when the TSA fails 95% of the tests thrown at them, most people lack confidence that we'll be able to separate the bad guys from the good and ISIS is counting on that. I know they won't go through the TSA, I'm just making a point of how our government sucks at screening things out. ISIS has already proven the will and ability to sneak the bad guys in amongst the refugees. A government's responsibility is to protect its own people first. It's not about the refugees being Muslim, but consider this scenario. I give you a bunch of grapes and tell you that, of those grapes, one or two may or may not be poisonous. The poison grapes don't look, feel, smell, or taste any different from the others. The only way you know is after you fall dead. Do you still eat the grapes to try to prove something, or do you eat something else and not take the chance of dying? Many other times this country has taken in refugees, but they have been just that. But when the enemy has seemingly followed through with sending their own people in with those refugees, is it worth the risk? If we can be assured that the vetting process is a lot better than most of this country thinks it will be, then maybe they'll be more comfortable letting the refugees in.
Most people don't have any confidence in our government to properly screen out the bad guys from a very large group of people. The vetting process will likely go something like this:
"Are you a terrorist?" "No." "Okay, good enough for me. Through that door please."
I exaggerate, but when the TSA fails 95% of the tests thrown at them, most people lack confidence that we'll be able to separate the bad guys from the good and ISIS is counting on that. I know they won't go through the TSA, I'm just making a point of how our government sucks at screening things out. ISIS has already proven the will and ability to sneak the bad guys in amongst the refugees. A government's responsibility is to protect its own people first.
I think so too.
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yes,, but sadly, the fed will do like they always do, if you don't play ball we will withhold funds slated for roads, schools, retirement housing, police, fire.. I hope not if the fed pull this, but when they do, the states tell the fed's to pound sand, and screw..
So the states withhold any money they pay the federal government. Then they use those funds to operate the state themselves. They prob would come out ahead anyway.
So the states withhold any money they pay the federal government. Then they use those funds to operate the state themselves. They prob would come out ahead anyway.
Secession now. It might be our last chance eventually.
