Yeah, I watched most of the event today. Really cool stuff they appear to be trying to do. Yeah, if you have a Win7/8/8.1 PC/other device, you can upgrade for free the first year after it's released to the public. We have some systems here at work that are running Win7 that we're going to be getting some new drives for and giving the Win10 beta a whirl in our sandbox for a while.
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Typical drug dealer marketing. Get you hooked and committed for free/cheap, then once your stuck on it they hit you with the full price, and start giving you cheap stuff.
Typical drug dealer marketing. Get you hooked and committed for free/cheap, then once your stuck on it they hit you with the full price, and start giving you cheap stuff.
People are in no hurry in updating XP or Windows 7 because Windows 8.X and Vista are such major fails. Proof? Just look at Desktop Operating System Market Share netmarketshare
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Windows 7 45.11% Windows XP 39.08% Windows 8.1 9.49% Windows 8 4.03%
Now Windows 10 is trying to pull the crap of changing names but this time without really doing anything.
Windows 7 got away with it mainly because Microsoft put big pressure on OEMs to install x64 version of Windows 7. The 64-bit version requires all drivers to be signed 64-bit software and meets MS/WHQL rules for DRM etc. A big problem with Vista x86/32-bit is because many drivers were just patched versions that run on XP and even older versions of Windows. Worse, Microsoft caved in to OEMs and allowed OEMs to use "Vista Ready" and "Vista Basic" labels on leftover machines. Many of those machines were basic even running Windows XP.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
We have some systems here at work that are running Win7 ...
I feel sorry for businesses that run micro-c0ck software. MS is evil. They are like the old GM - not in business to make good products; they are in business to make as much profit as they can. So they will conspire to write software that keeps you dependent on them for one reason or another, or gives them an advantage. Anybody remember what they did to Netscape ? Claim IE was an integral part of the OS when they went to court ? Push half-baked $hitware out the door, then just release "updates" and "patches". MANY times i've installed MS software that installed differently ON THE SAME MACHINE.
MS is conniving to turn its software into a "rented" not "purchased" commodity. i can only hope Linux kicks their a$$ like the japanese did to the american auto companies before this happens. i can imagine this "free upgrade" is somehow part of that plan. If not, there WILL be some catch, i'm sure of that.
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I feel sorry for businesses that run micro-c0ck software. MS is evil. They are like the old GM - not in business to make good products; they are in business to make as much profit as they can. So they will conspire to write software that keeps you dependent on them for one reason or another, or gives them an advantage. Anybody remember what they did to Netscape ? Claim IE was an integral part of the OS when they went to court ? Push half-baked $hitware out the door, then just release "updates" and "patches". MANY times i've installed MS software that installed differently ON THE SAME MACHINE.
MS is conniving to turn its software into a "rented" not "purchased" commodity. i can only hope Linux kicks their a$$ like the japanese did to the american auto companies before this happens. i can imagine this "free upgrade" is somehow part of that plan. If not, there WILL be some catch, i'm sure of that.
To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised MS is likely going to be the first to attempt it on a large scale. Although, Apple has tried to argue in th past that the EULA you agree to states thatyou really don't own the device you just bought.
As far as Linux is concerned, I doubt you'll ever se it gain widespread adoption in the workplace due to software compatibility and the need to retrain 90%+ of your workforce on a new OS.
I have heardbover the last several years, at least, that software companies are trying to make it 'Software as a service' not a 'thing' and start charging subscription fees for their use. So this isn't just a MS thing, but MS is likely to be the first to do it.
I have heardbover the last several years, at least, that software companies are trying to make it 'Software as a service' not a 'thing' and start charging subscription fees for their use. So this isn't just a MS thing, but MS is likely to be the first to do it.
I've read a crapload about the concept on some of my small buisiness blog reads, and so far it SEEMS to be an unmitigated failure. Customers are saying "eff you" to SoaS companies/ consultants and just going elsewhere. MS tries that crap, and I am willing to BET you see a WHOLE lot of either A) old wondoze verions pulled out of storage or B) MS teets-up due to mass migrations to other O/S's.
I think they are going to move to a mdoel where a very-very "basic" version is free, but charge for every-single-little-thing needed to make it functional for more than web browsing and basic e-mail.
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I have heardbover the last several years, at least, that software companies are trying to make it 'Software as a service' not a 'thing' and start charging subscription fees for their use. So this isn't just a MS thing, but MS is likely to be the first to do it.
They already are. Have you tried to *buy* Microsoft Office software lately?
There is only ONE full purchase version available where you OWN it in perpetuity. All the rest are *subscription*. Thus the title "Microsoft Office 365" (as in 365 DAYS of *rental*)
I just upgraded laptop and desktop machines for my business and I had to buy the full ownership version of MS Office for EACH machine. No more multiple machine licenses either...
I also paid *extra* to Tiger Direct to have Windows 7 loaded onto my machines because that's how much I hate 8 / 8.1 We will see what 10 has to offer but I'm not optimistic.
Some people haven't been paying attention for years? MS Office 365 is late to the show. Go someplace else? Office 365 sales # say your wrong.
The whole point of Win8 Metro is for delivering SaaS etc to Tablets and PC. Metro isn't gone in Win10, just behaves as normal programs and open in a window.
Many Software Co's already are or soon be "SaaS"/Subscriptions software and you pay to use every X period of time. Many Anti-virus, Anti-malware, firewalls, and many others have subscription plans for years. Norton etc may work but w/o getting virus updates, the software just eats CPU time.
Many to all "Cloud" services from Amazon Google HP Oracle and others are Paid per Month/Year. Some Google cloud services are "free" but Google can "bug" you like Gmail ads etc.
Many software was free but now the Free version, if they have one, gets more and more feature cut out and only available thru paid versions. Two programs I used... DBAN doesn't work on many new machines, doesn't support SSD, etc, because They want to sell you Blancco Toolkit. Parted Magic built on and with Open Source software was free... Now cost $9.99 to DL Current Version or $49.99 for One Year Subscription. Why? see http://www.phoronix.com/sca...news_item&px=MTQzNTI (Published on 13 August 2013 and has old price.)
They already are. Have you tried to *buy* Microsoft Office software lately?
There is only ONE full purchase version available where you OWN it in perpetuity. All the rest are *subscription*. Thus the title "Microsoft Office 365" (as in 365 DAYS of *rental*)
This brings up a point I've been wondering about for years. Why "upgrade" ANY version of MS Office at all ? How many ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program - I mean, how many MEANINGFUL ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program ? I've been using OfficeXP but was perfectly happy with Office97, even though it had MUCH stuff that I would NEVER use.
MS changes for the sake of change and deception. Businesses operated fine without all the crap, they can do it again if they really wanted. Dare I say it - most places could do without the friggin internet as well if they really wanted to !
If I had a business again, i'd do as much as possible to make it independent and self-sufficient, ESPECIALLY in regards to software and the internet.
Originally posted by PaulJK: This brings up a point I've been wondering about for years. Why "upgrade" ANY version of MS Office at all ? How many ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program - I mean, how many MEANINGFUL ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program ? I've been using OfficeXP but was perfectly happy with Office97, even though it had MUCH stuff that I would NEVER use.
Yes because Many use basic functions that doesn't change much but Upgrades/Updates affect different users... In 2007 and up... The default change to "Ribbon" menu made a big hit to Business and others productivity. People using heavy whatever or using advance features, upgrades can matter allot. Upgrades can lose a feature or change how the feature works. Examples: Many times, Upgrade for Access have a nasty habit of breaking DB and the "Front End" software. I have Office 2010 and Word XP because MS remove some features in 2007 & up, like "HTML Source" editor. You can run old and new Office (Any Part or whole) on same machine but is a bit hard to do that. You need to carefully use Custom Install etc.
I have one of my laptops running on Win 7 and another on Win 8.1. The reason is that the software I use for programming industrial PLC's is designed to operate in that environment. I have two other PC's in the house and they are both on Ubuntu and will not ever be going to Windows. I used to run MS Office on every machine, but from switching to Ubuntu I found Libre Office with also has versions running in Windows environment. They work fine and I won't be switching to MS Office again.
As to upgrading to Win 10 on the two that run Windows, I am not sure at this time. Definitely not if they want to charge me every year.
Originally posted by MadMark: As to upgrading to Win 10 on the two that run Windows, I am not sure at this time. Definitely not if they want to charge me every year.
I don't think Win10 is going SaaS... Free upgrade for Win7 and Win8 users could last only 1 year. After the year, everyone will pay for the upgrade. Sim to selling Win8 Upgrade for $50 first few months after release. Current 8.1 List Price is $119.99, pro $199.00, and MS doesn't sell Upgrade only full installs. http://www.microsoftstore.c.../categoryID.62684800
Another things is the apps. People complain that MS doesn't have enough apps. Article says they have 525,000 apps, compared to one million for Apple and 1.2 million for Android.
Every app that I use, more for business productivity, is available. It fact I can get any app that folks using Apple and Android uses for Windows.
But people say MS doesn't have enough apps.
How many apps does one person need or use? A survey reported 41 apps was the average.
That tells me that there is a lot of app junk in app space.
This brings up a point I've been wondering about for years. Why "upgrade" ANY version of MS Office at all ? How many ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program - I mean, how many MEANINGFUL ways can they modify a friggin word processor and spreadsheet program ? I've been using OfficeXP but was perfectly happy with Office97, even though it had MUCH stuff that I would NEVER use.
MS changes for the sake of change and deception. Businesses operated fine without all the crap, they can do it again if they really wanted. Dare I say it - most places could do without the friggin internet as well if they really wanted to !
If I had a business again, i'd do as much as possible to make it independent and self-sufficient, ESPECIALLY in regards to software and the internet.
MANY companies change for the sake of change and deception. MS hasn't cornered that market. You seem to be really railing against MS, specifically, and technology in general. Do you have an axe to grind, or something?
Originally posted by Wichita: Another things is the apps. People complain that MS doesn't have enough apps. Article says they have 525,000 apps, compared to one million for Apple and 1.2 million for Android. Every app that I use, more for business productivity, is available. It fact I can get any app that folks using Apple and Android uses for Windows. But people say MS doesn't have enough apps. How many apps does one person need or use? A survey reported 41 apps was the average. That tells me that there is a lot of app junk in app space.
Yes and no... App stores are mainly only way you get programs on tablets/phones. PC, Including Surface Pro etc, can run "normal" programs and many things using browser and whatever plugins. Most plugins can't run on browsers on tablets and phones.
Problem is MS is late for app store and tablet plan too. Developers etc go where $ is and get best value for money spend = Apple and Android stores. That's why Many "Junk" apps still make money, like Flappy Bird game.
MS app problem is same problem for Apple Mac... few titles runs on Mac OS because makers don't see much if any profit to make Mac software. Even many Windows duds still make money for authors Because of so many Windows machines. Is why Many Mac users run Window as dual boot and/or in a VM.
MS needs XP and Win7 users to upgrade to Win8/10 and Metro to show real numbers to developers etc. Surface and others running WinRT is a drop in the ocean compared to Apple and Android. The above % of OS must change fast so MS doesn't lose more ground in App market. That's why the Free upgrade for Win7 and Win8.x and maybe even WinXP. Remember that many running XP are downgrades for Vista machines. Many of them can run Win8 or 10 w/o problems.
I've been digging thru trade press... Sadly, Win10 may be SaaS or not. Is confusing to follow because MS is thin to nothing on final pricing etc. Some stories are pointing Win10 will have subscription monthly updates, like this from znet (10/06/14)
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Microsoft didn't outline pricing for Windows 10, but rest assured that there will be a software-as-a-service cadence to it. Consider the following:
For consumers, Windows 10 will have monthly updates with subscriptions similar to Office 365. Businesses will have an option to skip monthly updates.
The Inquirer story could be worse... free update for life of computer? Who says the lifetime means?
Could be some parts/features could be extra cost but MS has a long history paid add on, like Win9x Plus etc. Problem is if you pay for subscriptions of the OS then people expect to get good value. Many Problems with this, two examples...
Many people use only basic functions of Windows. Example: Win Media Center? WTF is that. Win7 has it but many don't care. Win8.x? you have to buy that.
The press release was the biggest tech reveal I've seen in ages.
Windows 10 is going to be revolutionary. Think pausing your game on your phone and continuing it on your computer, or using virtual reality to display your computer virtually anywhere in your house.
Some people in this thread try and derail Windows products every thread they pop up in. Whereas I bought my laptop in early 2009 with Vista and have paid a whopping $50 on upgrades and am currently running the Windows 10 developer preview (and will be running 10 when it's released).
All of my Office software has been free. My computer has seen an impressive speed increase since I first bought it. So haters gonna hate, and ain'ters gonna ain't. But I'm going to rock my free Windows 10 and laugh at everyone who doesn't upgrade.
