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Doug85GT
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From: Sacramento CA USA
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We need a congressional investigation into this! (at least that is what his mother wants)
http://blogs.seattleweekly....hallenged_bi-rac.php
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Gay, Mentally Challenged Biracial Male Cheerleader Claims Discrimination
By Caleb Hannan in SportsWednesday, Feb. 3 2010 @ 11:06AM
Even in 2010, growing up gay isn't easy. Add in the complicating factors of being a mentally challenged, biracial guy who wants to wave around pom-poms in a small town, and you have a recipe for the most hellacious high school experience in Eastern Washington.
Benjamin Grundy is a student at Garfield-Palouse High School (local population: 1,100) who says the school is discriminating against his wishes to do what all the other cheerleaders are doing. Namely, dance, wave pom-poms, wear a proper uniform and not just stand like there like a statue moving his arms.
That's what Grundy and his mom say he's been reduced to since the cheerleading coach instructed him he couldn't gyrate his hips like the girls do and the athletic director allegedly suggested he be the team mascot. Since writing letters to ACLU and a local congresswoman, Garfield has offered Grundy a uniform and pom-poms. But that's not enough, says his mom.
As you can see in the video above, Grundy's mother is what you might refer to as a Grizzly Bear. A primal necessity considering (and this can't be emphasized enough) Grundy is a mentally challenged, biracial gay kid growing up in a small town who wants to be a cheerleader. So excuse her when she says she wants to take her poor son's plight to Congress. She's just acting the way any Mama Bear would when her cub was born with a "torment me" sign stuck to his back.
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twofatguys
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Watching the video.. He has zero talent. It's a strange thing, but some sort of rhythm is needed in order to be a cheerleader. And what is he 30-40 Lbs overweight??? Seriously, he obviously does not exercise, eat well, or care about hygiene, and he want's to play with the "real" cheerleaders. Learn to work out, work on his rhythm, lose some weight, and talk to them in a year or so.
I'm sick of people that "Deserve" something that everyone else has to work for. I want to play in the NFL, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Pyrthian
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Gay, Mentally Challenged Biracial Male Cheerleader Claims Discrimination
well, yes. it is discrimination. that is how squads are selected from a large pool of candidates. you discriminate based on qualities. and this clown is missing some needed qualities.
maybe this momma should make her own football team for her precious _______________
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IEatRice
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Maybe he can be president too.IP: Logged |
82-T/A [At Work]
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I'm kind of at a loss as to what to say.
I'm trying to figure out if I should be upset with this parent, or if I should just not care at all?
Looking at the mother gives you a clear indication of all that is wrong with this entire story. She's unkept and looks like a slob.
Why is this kind of stuff even being given press... is it because of the absurdity of it?
It's a fact of life that Cheerleaders are supposed to be attractive girls that are in shape and have rythm. This guy doesn't meet ANY of that criteria? How much longer before sports teams are sued because they won't hire fat girls, let alone a learning disabled MALE kid?
How much longer before schools are sued for discrimination because they won't accept people with down syndrome into their Electrical Engineering Masters program?
Different people have different skills. You CANNOT force society to give you opportunities that you are not capable of or don't deserve through hard work.
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cliffw
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm trying to figure out if I should be upset with this parent, or if I should just not care at all?
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If we don't care, the people who do will award him a multi million dollar settlement.
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Red88FF
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From: Monroe WA USA
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Listened to the "mom" on the radio the other day. I think her and the "son" are fruitloops. Really, just what the hell did they expect was going to happen.
This is one of those, I don't care how weird you are, do what you want, but don't shove it in my face kinda things.IP: Logged |
82-T/A [At Work]
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
If we don't care, the people who do will award him a multi million dollar settlement.
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I know... I know... that's why it's so frustrating to me... that's the only reason why I DO care... because I know that kind of bull crap will happen.
Instead of doing things that will help prepare this child for his life as an adult... she is instead wasting time with stupid crap like this which will do nothing but create another drain on the welfare system. Children with major learning disabilities and downs syndrome can be very productive in society once they get their "niche". It's very obvious to me that cheerleading is not this kid's forte. His mother should be trying to focus him on his strong attributes so he can continue to develop those and hopefully have a real career to look forward to...
What will this child become? I'm sure he's getting ridiculed out there, not encouraged.------------------
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WhiteDevil88
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He can be a cheerleader when he acts like the rest of cheerleaders and pulls a train on the Varsity team.[This message has been edited by WhiteDevil88 (edited 02-08-2010).] IP: Logged |
twofatguys
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| | | quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
He can be a cheerleader when he acts like the rest of cheerleaders and pulls a train on the Varsity team.
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OMG [doubletake] LMFAO
And sadly true.
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rogergarrison
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Its the 'politically correct ' crap again. When I was in high school, the cheerleaders were the hottest most desireable girls in the school. Nowadays to keep from offending anyone, they let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader sign up. I used to like watching the national championships at Disney World. Havent seen it in years because each squad was lucky if they had 2 attractive girls at all. I dont dislike heavy or fat people, but comeon, who want to see a 5'5" girl who weighs 180 pnds jumping around in a micro mini skirt. Even Hooters has dropped their standards. While the one by me has quite a few very attractive girls, there are some there that I could put both my legs into one of their pants legs and some with arms as big as my legs.IP: Logged |
kyunderdawg
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| | | quote | | .....who says the school is discriminating against his wishes to do what all the other cheerleaders are doing. Namely, dance, wave pom-poms, wear a proper uniform..... |
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In the video it looks as though he has the proper colored uniform. Of all of the male cheerleaders I've ever seen they wore something that matched the colors. Is he sayin' he wants to wear a skirt, panties, and panty hose? Or am I just reading that wrong?
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Blacktree
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Yep, he's mentally challenged alright. I bet his mom is, too.  IP: Logged |
CoryFiero
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| | | quote | Originally posted by rogergarrison:
..Nowadays to keep from offending anyone, they let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader sign up. . |
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Whatever happened to "tryouts"? You mean schools seriously let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader (or in a sport) join?
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HI-TECH
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looking at the mom i can see why he's got problems... probably smoked meth throughout her pregnancy also.[This message has been edited by HI-TECH (edited 02-08-2010).] IP: Logged |
Fiero84Freak
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I really don't know what to say about this article neither. See, this is why I sometimes really hate the media. "Mentally Challenged" when I first saw it I assumed that the guy was going to have down syndrome - and that's honestly a fault of my own perception. Also I don't see anything particularly wrong with male cheerleaders, as in most squads they play influential roles such as being able to lift or catapult female members to complete routines. Not every male cheerleader is gay and to assume that is ignorant as it could be something as simple as a person without a lot of athletic ability wanting to be a part of a team.
I can however see why they wouldn't want this guy to focus on cheerleading itself. People with Asperger's Syndrome tend to focus on one thing, but they tend to lack necessary motor skills to perform their intended operations effectively. With him having Aspergers, he unfortunately lacks the proper effective motor skills needed to perform routine with the other members of the squad. Speaking from a standpoint in the interest of students with special needs, which I have trained in a bit to obtain my teaching license, the instructors absolutely have to provide students with the same opportunities as the other students. While this has really only applied to the learning environment, it's very often being applied to extracurricular activities such as sports and clubs. I can see how the school would be worried about potential repercussions from denying this guy what he wants to do. For that reasoning, I can see why they pushed him and brought up to him to perform as a mascot. It makes sense really in the ideology I outlined because technically it does not exclude the student from the extracurricular activity - he is still part of the cheer team but is in a position that acts on his own and allows him to focus himself on performing his own routine effectively. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.
What I do see wrong is the mother whom obviously pressured the school to make them do what she wants them to do for her child. I imagine that the mother is making it out to more than what the school actually did - they (the school) likely presented to the guy a detail of what being a mascot would entail. Simply he was upset that he wasn't going to be able to cheer, the mother got upset, and she's making it out into a big deal. If she were smart, she would have worked with the school, as there's nothing wrong in performing as a mascot - you're still part of the cheer squad, you play an important role in said cheer routine, and honestly as a mascot you play a unique role in representing the image of the school, rather than representing the image of being a dress-wearing girl with too much make-up that's honestly not too far off from what WhiteDevil said earlier. He can use pom-poms as a Mascot - they could have worked some sort of silly routine that he could have done. The point is I feel a good deal of this is the mother's fault.IP: Logged |
82-T/A [At Work]
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Fiero84Freak:
I really don't know what to say about this article neither. See, this is why I sometimes really hate the media. "Mentally Challenged" when I first saw it I assumed that the guy was going to have down syndrome - and that's honestly a fault of my own perception. Also I don't see anything particularly wrong with male cheerleaders, as in most squads they play influential roles such as being able to lift or catapult female members to complete routines. Not every male cheerleader is gay and to assume that is ignorant as it could be something as simple as a person without a lot of athletic ability wanting to be a part of a team.
I can however see why they wouldn't want this guy to focus on cheerleading itself. People with Asperger's Syndrome tend to focus on one thing, but they tend to lack necessary motor skills to perform their intended operations effectively. With him having Aspergers, he unfortunately lacks the proper effective motor skills needed to perform routine with the other members of the squad. Speaking from a standpoint in the interest of students with special needs, which I have trained in a bit to obtain my teaching license, the instructors absolutely have to provide students with the same opportunities as the other students. While this has really only applied to the learning environment, it's very often being applied to extracurricular activities such as sports and clubs. I can see how the school would be worried about potential repercussions from denying this guy what he wants to do. For that reasoning, I can see why they pushed him and brought up to him to perform as a mascot. It makes sense really in the ideology I outlined because technically it does not exclude the student from the extracurricular activity - he is still part of the cheer team but is in a position that acts on his own and allows him to focus himself on performing his own routine effectively. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.
What I do see wrong is the mother whom obviously pressured the school to make them do what she wants them to do for her child. I imagine that the mother is making it out to more than what the school actually did - they (the school) likely presented to the guy a detail of what being a mascot would entail. Simply he was upset that he wasn't going to be able to cheer, the mother got upset, and she's making it out into a big deal. If she were smart, she would have worked with the school, as there's nothing wrong in performing as a mascot - you're still part of the cheer squad, you play an important role in said cheer routine, and honestly as a mascot you play a unique role in representing the image of the school, rather than representing the image of being a dress-wearing girl with too much make-up that's honestly not too far off from what WhiteDevil said earlier. He can use pom-poms as a Mascot - they could have worked some sort of silly routine that he could have done. The point is I feel a good deal of this is the mother's fault. |
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Just to clarify, no one is saying that he's a homosexual BECAUSE he wants to be a cheerleader, they're saying he's gay because HE says he's gay. According to the article, he doesn't want to be a mascot and doesn't want to be a MALE cheerleader. He wants to be a female cheerleader with the whole get-up... (panties and all).
That's where people are having a really hard time with this.
But I agree completely with you. I think the school made a great decision by allowing him to become the mascot. I definitely think it's the mother's fault by pushing him into something that's not going to benefit him, but only serve to expose him to more ridicule.
I've known a few people, and I think Asperger's is a really interesting condition. There are two people I know of who in fact DO have it, and one person who I suspect has it. Incidentally, they were both computer programmers. What appeared most obvious to me about the condition is that they seemed to lack social graces. It appeared to me as though they (in some cases) lacked the ability to distinguish emotion. For example... if you were getting tired of the conversation and dropping subtle hints so as not to be rude... they wouldn't get it. In some cases, if they got tired of the conversation, they didn't know how exactly to end it without being totally awkward. In one instance, there were a couple of us talking to one of the guys that had it, and all of a sudden in the middle of the conversation, he kind of ducked down, and quickly backed away from the circle and just walked away as we all kind of looked at him. It was rather awkward... no response like... "hey guys, I've got to get back to my desk, see you all later".
It's an interesting condition, but I don't know that it would prevent someone from being able to follow repetition. One of the guys I worked with that had it was VERY smart... I wouldn't hesitate to say he was definitely smarter than I. He had some other conditions, like a compulsive disorder, but otherwise the guy was brilliant. It just seemed to me it was more of a social disorder.
Personally, I grew up with ADHD. I took Ritalin for something like 10 years!!! I don't know if I grew out of it or not, but I was helping my parents record old VHS tapes onto DVDs and I happened to watch a video of myself playing soccer when I was about 5. I kept thinking to myself... "what in the WORLD am I doing?" I was doing some crazy stuff. I was playing soccer with my friend, and then after I made a goal, I just kept kicking it into the goal repeatedly... if I didn't know myself, I'd say that kid is crazy!!!
I don't seem to be affected by ADD anymore, and I'm certainly not hyper. The only remnant of it that I seem to notice is that while studying, I have to get up every 20 minutes or so because I completely lose concentration. But, if I'm working (I'm a programmer) and I'm engrossed... I can tune in for hours and hours unfettered.------------------
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Fiero84Freak
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Just to clarify, no one is saying that he's a homosexual BECAUSE he wants to be a cheerleader, they're saying he's gay because HE says he's gay. According to the article, he doesn't want to be a mascot and doesn't want to be a MALE cheerleader. He wants to be a female cheerleader with the whole get-up... (panties and all).
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Oh no I understand that no one here in this thread has specifically said he's gay because he wants to cheer. Him being gay though just reaffirms the stereotype to many of the ignorant populace that think that though. I do typically try to keep a clear mind about homosexuality, but I will admit it's very strange if he's actually wanting to wear the cheerleader leotard.
I'm wondering if he's actually ever seen other male cheerleaders at all? He is from a small town and his mother makes me think he's lived a sheltered home life. Maybe they could have shown him some sort of video of routines with male cheerleaders in it. I don't know. I still think the mother was the big instigator in all of this.
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Pyrthian
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yes - Topic: Gay, Mentally Challenged Biracial Male Cheerleader Claims Discrimination
kinda makes it clear. but, like the mentally challenged - doesnt actually say HOW gay. the wanting to be a cheerleader does
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82-T/A [At Work]
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Fiero84Freak:
Oh no I understand that no one here in this thread has specifically said he's gay because he wants to cheer. Him being gay though just reaffirms the stereotype to many of the ignorant populace that think that though. I do typically try to keep a clear mind about homosexuality, but I will admit it's very strange if he's actually wanting to wear the cheerleader leotard.
I'm wondering if he's actually ever seen other male cheerleaders at all? He is from a small town and his mother makes me think he's lived a sheltered home life. Maybe they could have shown him some sort of video of routines with male cheerleaders in it. I don't know. I still think the mother was the big instigator in all of this.
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But look, I think you're missing the point. I don't think ANYONE is making an issue of him being a homosexual. I don't think anyone cares at all. The fact of him being a homosexual and it being mentioned is because the MOTHER is the one who mentioned it. There are plenty of male cheerleaders, there always have been. Their role is to help the girls down from the pyramid. If anything, most of the guys who do it are totally HETERO. I mean, it becomes your job to hang out with the hottest girls in the school, while they're dressed in the skimpiest outfits, and they're working out, and you're forced to grab their butts and legs... I can think of nothing LESS gay.
No one in the article is making this an issue of homosexuality except the mother.
What everyone has an issue with is his wanting to dress up as a girl in a dress. You can be bi, or homosexual, no one really cares. But cross-dressing takes it to a level that schools just aren't comfortable with. School is a place for learning, not a place for political statements of any kind.
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WhiteDevil88
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But look, I think you're missing the point. I don't think ANYONE is making an issue of him being a homosexual. I don't think anyone cares at all. The fact of him being a homosexual and it being mentioned is because the MOTHER is the one who mentioned it. There are plenty of male cheerleaders, there always have been. Their role is to help the girls down from the pyramid. If anything, most of the guys who do it are totally HETERO. I mean, it becomes your job to hang out with the hottest girls in the school, while they're dressed in the skimpiest outfits, and they're working out, and you're forced to grab their butts and legs... I can think of nothing LESS gay.
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Honestly? You can't think of anything less gay then a male cheerleader? I worry about you sometimes.
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partfiero
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82-T/A [At Work]
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| | | quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
Honestly? You can't think of anything less gay then a male cheerleader? I worry about you sometimes. |
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In theory, yes... but lets think about this for a few minutes...
Things were decent for me in high school in terms of relationships... I didn't get anywhere near the kind of action I dreamt about or told people I was getting... but there was some, and I was happy to get it.
But... logically speaking, being a male cheerleader puts you in the lions den so to speak. It puts you in charge of the King's riches WITH the permission to take whatever you want.
You realize that every game, you ride the bus to the competing school with the cheerleaders. It becomes your job to "work out" with the hottest girls in the school. It becomes your job to support them by their butts and their legs. You have to catch them, and you everything else. You become intimately familiar with them since you are responsible for saving them from falling and everything else. You become the "guy's" perspective.
It's quite possible they could very well be the LEAST gay of all of us.
Then again... I don't know what kind of repercussions there would be as a male cheerleader in high school!!! hahaha....
Looking back, it might not have been such a bad idea... but the thought never even occured to me then. I ran track and did other sports. It was enough to ensure I had a date for every dance... but I would bet that those male cheerleaders are getting laid left and right.
Honestly, I have a daughter now... and when I think about all the things that went on in high school, I'm terrified of my daughter becomming a teenager.
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Pyrthian
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
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But... logically speaking, being a male cheerleader puts you in the lions den so to speak. It puts you in charge of the King's riches WITH the permission to take whatever you want.
You realize that every game, you ride the bus to the competing school with the cheerleaders. It becomes your job to "work out" with the hottest girls in the school. It becomes your job to support them by their butts and their legs. You have to catch them, and you everything else. You become intimately familiar with them since you are responsible for saving them from falling and everything else. You become the "guy's" perspective.
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as opposed to a locker room full of sweaty boys. yes - I fully see the point here.IP: Logged |
jetman
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| | | quote | Originally posted by CoryFiero:
Whatever happened to "tryouts"? You mean schools seriously let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader (or in a sport) join?
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Exactly, my feeling too. Not to offend the kid or mother but that would solve the situation.
Did anyone ask the other cheerleaders how they felt? Isn't this situation taking the enjoyment and fun out of cheerleading for them?
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Fiero84Freak
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But look, I think you're missing the point. |
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No one in the article is making this an issue of homosexuality except the mother. |
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No. I said twice I think the mother is the main culprit.
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The point is I feel a good deal of this is the mother's fault. |
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I still think the mother was the big instigator in all of this. |
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rogergarrison
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| | | quote | Originally posted by CoryFiero:
Whatever happened to "tryouts"? You mean schools seriously let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader (or in a sport) join?
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In high school, pretty much yes. 2 legs and 2 arms are pretty much the requirments...and if your a paraplegic even you might be eligible. Used to be 'tryouts' were you were hot and recommended by other hotties on the squad. College is a bit tougher now...you have to be able to do certain stunts and preferably enrolled in a dance course as a major or minor.
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heybjorn
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| | | quote | Originally posted by partfiero:
It seems that recently the schools have a policy of discrimination against those who wish to be educated. |
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Yes, but that is another subject entirely.
As for cheerleaders, is there anything more overly sexual?
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This kind of thing is ridiculous. Not everyone is cut out to be a _________ (fill in the blank). I certainly wasn't of the physique needed to be a football player, and would never have thought of forcing the school to allow me to be one. Somewhere along the line, people are going to have to recognize the fact that God made us all different, and that those differences allow us to excel in some areas, and fail badly in others. It has nothing to do with race, religion, sexual orientation, mental capacity, what kind of clothes you like to wear, or whatever. Now, for this particular situation, hey, great, (s)he wants to be a cheerleader. Try out. If (s)he's any good, (s)he'll make the team. If not, find something else to do that you CAN do. Lots of dreams are shattered due to the inability to perform at the required level. This is no different. Except, of course, there's a lawyer involved, and a bunch of political correctness infecting the situation.
This same type of scenario is played out in just about every area in education these days, and the result is an overall lowering of performance to the lowest common denominator. Achievers are not allowed to achieve, as they can't allow the 'self esteem' of those not able to perform to that level suffer.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Fiero84Freak:
No. I said twice I think the mother is the main culprit.
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Not to belabor the point, but I'm just curious then why you were making a big deal of them mentioning homosexuality? It seemed to me that was a big point in your argument, but I didn't really understand what it had to do with anything.
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This is what happens when anyone is allowed to reproduce.------------------
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