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Topic: Retirees Have Ceased to Exist for the UAW
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FrugalFiero
Member Posts: 2393
From: Where cars n trucks used to be made in Michigan
Registered: Nov 2003
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I guess this gal is realizing nothing is guaranteed in this world...
http://www.mlive.com/opinio...ceased_to_exist.html
Retirees have ceased to exist for the UAW
By Flint Journal staff
February 01, 2010, 2:07PM
Voice: Hannah Yaklin, Davison
As nice as it is to find someone with optimism regarding the UAW (Union Should Help GM Retirees, Jan. 21), the truth is that the UAW will never do anything to help the retirees except help us lose more of our benefits. While the UAW is sitting on an $800 million strike fund and no one can strike to collect any of it, the fact is that retirees cease to exist for the UAW the minute our union dues went from $500-plus per month to $2 per month.
Did it look like anyone cared about retirees when our vision and dental were given away, worthless stock was taken to “fund” our health care, our co-pays doubled and tripled and now, a deductible is added? Oh yeah, now they want to “sell” our vision and dental back to us after we paid for it many years ago.
I cannot imagine any one of the UAW executives doing anything with their double pensions but hot-footing it to the bank, much less giving it to help retirees. The only “help” Gettlefinger and his band of thieves will give retirees I think we can do without, as their “help” always costs us money! Of course, dreams don’t cost anything, so — dream on!
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texasfiero
Member Posts: 1838
From: Houston, TX USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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Nurb432
Member Posts: 9977
From: Indy
Registered: May 2006
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| | | quote | Originally posted by FrugalFiero:
I guess this gal is realizing nothing is guaranteed in this world...
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No, but when you enter into a contract with someone and in 'good faith' uphold your side of the deal, you should expect them to as well.IP: Logged |
jaskispyder
Member Posts: 4207
From: Sault Ste. Marie, MI
Registered: Jun 2002
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Yup, my father retired from GM and the UAW has been cutting his benefits. I wonder who is worse... GM or the UAW. So much for supporting ALL your members. As I have said before... unions were needed in the past, but they no longer serve their intended purpose. Too bad, it was a great idea, but they are acting like any other corporation 
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I guess this gal is realizing nothing is guaranteed in this world...
http://www.mlive.com/opinio...ceased_to_exist.html
Retirees have ceased to exist for the UAW
By Flint Journal staff
February 01, 2010, 2:07PM
Voice: Hannah Yaklin, Davison
As nice as it is to find someone with optimism regarding the UAW (Union Should Help GM Retirees, Jan. 21), the truth is that the UAW will never do anything to help the retirees except help us lose more of our benefits. While the UAW is sitting on an $800 million strike fund and no one can strike to collect any of it, the fact is that retirees cease to exist for the UAW the minute our union dues went from $500-plus per month to $2 per month.
Did it look like anyone cared about retirees when our vision and dental were given away, worthless stock was taken to “fund” our health care, our co-pays doubled and tripled and now, a deductible is added? Oh yeah, now they want to “sell” our vision and dental back to us after we paid for it many years ago.
I cannot imagine any one of the UAW executives doing anything with their double pensions but hot-footing it to the bank, much less giving it to help retirees. The only “help” Gettlefinger and his band of thieves will give retirees I think we can do without, as their “help” always costs us money! Of course, dreams don’t cost anything, so — dream on! |
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Pyrthian
Member Posts: 21225
From: Detroit, MI
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Nurb432:
No, but when you enter into a contract with someone and in 'good faith' uphold your side of the deal, you should expect them to as well. |
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yup - this is the horsecrap of it all. many people were promised much in turn for their work. cant take the work back - but sure can take the promise back.
but, of course, that promise/contact was not made in good faith anyways. the person who promised a retirement was in no position to promise that. perhaps escrow accounts should be created to enforce future contracts. instead of having management just walk away, shrugging their shoulders saying OOPS. yes...atlas shrugged.....lined his pockets, and got the %$#@ out of there. carved out a nice corner for himself on the backs of screwed men.IP: Logged |
lurker
Member Posts: 9673
From: between unionville and shelbyville, tn
Registered: Feb 2002
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oddly enough i can understand the "tilt" donors (those who strongly favor one party over the other). they're putting their money where their mouth is.
but can someone explain the fence-sitters? are they just buying political influence and covering their butts no matter who wins? are they really that ambivalent? or just cynical?IP: Logged |
Rallaster
Member Posts: 1138
From: Martinsville, IN
Registered: Jul 2009
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| | | quote | Originally posted by lurker:
oddly enough i can understand the "tilt" donors (those who strongly favor one party over the other). they're putting their money where their mouth is.
but can someone explain the fence-sitters? are they just buying political influence and covering their butts no matter who wins? are they really that ambivalent? or just cynical? |
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Cynical, they aren't picking sides so they don't put themselves in the crosshairs of one specific party. They are letting the hardcore wing-ists take the flack for donating against a specific group.IP: Logged |
maryjane
Member Posts: 29885
From: Cleveland Tex
Registered: Apr 2001
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Some of the fence sitters are publicly owned companies--stockholders. Their contributions reflect the views of those stockholders--usually varied along both lines.IP: Logged |
Pyrthian
Member Posts: 21225
From: Detroit, MI
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by lurker:
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but can someone explain the fence-sitters? are they just buying political influence and covering their butts no matter who wins? are they really that ambivalent? or just cynical? |
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they are only concerned with single laws, not large "issues"IP: Logged |
maryjane
Member Posts: 29885
From: Cleveland Tex
Registered: Apr 2001
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| | | quote | Originally posted by FrugalFiero:
Did it look like anyone cared about retirees when our vision and dental were given away, worthless stock was taken to “fund” our health care, our co-pays doubled and tripled and now, a deductible is added? Oh yeah, now they want to “sell” our vision and dental back to us after we paid for it many years ago.
I cannot imagine any one of the UAW executives doing anything with their double pensions but hot-footing it to the bank, much less giving it to help retirees. The only “help” Gettlefinger and his band of thieves will give retirees I think we can do without, as their “help” always costs us money! Of course, dreams don’t cost anything, so — dream on! |
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That's so rich. A union member complaining about having to buy buy something they already paid for once. Hello!!--good money after bad? That's the same thing the union members and GM are asking the taxpayers to do in order for the taxpayer to get paid back their initial investment.
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82-T/A [At Work]
Member Posts: 4037
From: Cooper City, Florida USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by jaskispyder:
Yup, my father retired from GM and the UAW has been cutting his benefits. I wonder who is worse... GM or the UAW. So much for supporting ALL your members. As I have said before... unions were needed in the past, but they no longer serve their intended purpose. Too bad, it was a great idea, but they are acting like any other corporation
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What infuriates me the MOST is that the actual employees of the union... NOT the union members... but the employees of the union corporation, get ridiculously sick benefits. I mean, unbelievable... they DO get double pensions, as well as 401ks, company cars, you name it... it's insane.
Who pays for it? The union workers.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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Well I guess I shouldn’t say that I just applied for my retirement from GM.
Called few days ago to get the paperwork started. Talked to my union benefits rep about just this.
See I put 15 years in and will turn 55 next month. That is the earliest I can retire.
Seeing the health problems I have I figure I had better apply now before I die. Mom and Dad both died before they were 65.
Now as far as that article goes.
I don’t know who the fk wrote that but it obviously was not a union member.
500 a month union dues. Not even when I was working did I pay anywhere near that, it was 2 hours pay per month. And even at the cost of $70 per hour that no one ever got in pay that is not even close to what this ding dong is saying union dues is, was.
For anyone to take this article writer seriously would be a tragic mistake.
I know I did lose my health care benefits. Unfair?
Yes
But hey you guys have been saying all along we never disserved any of it. We should have taken that 2 hours pay per month and put it in a retirement fund.
I did, and more.
But for my health I would have a tidy little nest egg on top of my retirement.
She, he, whoever that person was did get what retirees pay for union dues right. $2.00 per month.
Jaskispyder I thought your dad was an engineer? Or am I thinking of someone else on here?
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No, but when you enter into a contract with someone and in 'good faith' uphold your side of the deal, you should expect them to as well. |
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I always did. But now I guess those here like Don and others who said we never disserved a retirement from GM and it is those legacy costs that are costing GM more than they can make.
But I regress.
Am I unhappy I lost my health care, Fkn right I am.
But why is that I was not allowed to vote on those contract changes?
Not sure.
Jaskispyder so your dad is getting nothing at all from his retirement? I ask because I am still going to get a check every month, albeit it is only 40% of what I am eligible for because I am retiring 10 years ahead of time. But that was my choice.
But as retirees we still have our GM discount.
Still get a check every month.
That money was put away long ago when we were working into an account that was guaranteed.
Steve
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Formula88
Member Posts: 31732
From: Raleigh, NC, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
That money was put away long ago when we were working into an account that was guaranteed.
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Yeah, that was the theory behind Social Security once upon a time, too. IP: Logged |
84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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I figured I would check just to make sure they haven’t changed it as it has been almost 20 years.
It takes money to run any organization including a Union. Local 4911 receives its funding from membership dues.
HOW MUCH ARE MONTHLY DUES?
Union Dues are two hours pay per month for full time members and 1.15% of straight-time hourly pay for part time and per diem members.
Because the UAW is a membership organization, UAW members determine dues. The current dues formula, two hours pay a month, was set by local union members at the UAW convention in 1967. These delegates had been elected by UAW local unions across the U.S., Puerto Rico and Canada. Our dues are tied to our straight-time hourly earnings. They include amounts considered part of regular pay or bonus, but they exclude shift and overtime premiums.
WHAT ARE INITIATION FEES?
Initiation fees like dues are set by UAW membership. Initiation fees are only paid one (1) time. They are currently $20 for all new members.
Initiation fees are waived for employees who have a withdrawal card from another UAW Union. It is the responsibility of new members to submit the card to the financial secretary before their six (6) month probation period has been completed.
http://www.uawlocal4911.org...cle.cfm&HomeID=31717
So all those people who say crap like in that article about just how much union dues is are full crap and in the case of the article in question have no idea what they are talking about and are obviously not union members.
Steve
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Back On Holiday
Member Posts: 5270
From: Downingtown, PA
Registered: Jul 2001
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Wow, my union and company both on the same page... 
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Pyrthian:
yup - this is the horsecrap of it all. many people were promised much in turn for their work. cant take the work back - but sure can take the promise back.
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Umm, are we talking unions, or social security ?
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Who pays for it? The union workers.
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Which they should. They passed it up our azzes all these years.
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
So all those people who say crap like in that article about just how much union dues is are full crap and in the case of the article in question have no idea what they are talking about and are obviously not union members.
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And they obviously did not get screwed by a union.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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Please note that most of those so called fence sitters that give equally to both parties are banks.
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Wow, my union and company both on the same page...
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They want to know that who ever wins they have their hooks in.
Steve
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
And they obviously did not get screwed by a union. |
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But that article was supposedly written by an auto worker UAW member, how could that be if they don’t even know how much union dues was?
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Am I unhappy I lost my health care, Fkn right I am.
But why is that I was not allowed to vote on those contract changes?
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I would be pissed too. Two times. Your contract should be as settled after you retired. AIG is getting bonuses per previous contract terms. I would sue. Perhaps you can not afford it but class action can.
You can't trust the government, of which a union is. Y'all followed your leader and trusted in them. Suck it up and accept it or fight.
I damn sure would not be touting the nirvana of being in a union though.
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
But that article was supposedly written by an auto worker UAW member, how could that be if they don’t even know how much union dues was?
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Did it just come out of the check ? Like umm, social security ? I couldn't tell you what my dues are.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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The only contracts that are iron clad are bankers and upper management.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Did it just come out of the check ? Like umm, social security ? I couldn't tell you what my dues are. |
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
I figured I would check just to make sure they haven’t changed it as it has been almost 20 years.
It takes money to run any organization including a Union. Local 4911 receives its funding from membership dues.
HOW MUCH ARE MONTHLY DUES?
Union Dues are two hours pay per month for full time members and 1.15% of straight-time hourly pay for part time and per diem members.
Because the UAW is a membership organization, UAW members determine dues. The current dues formula, two hours pay a month, was set by local union members at the UAW convention in 1967. These delegates had been elected by UAW local unions across the U.S., Puerto Rico and Canada. Our dues are tied to our straight-time hourly earnings. They include amounts considered part of regular pay or bonus, but they exclude shift and overtime premiums.
WHAT ARE INITIATION FEES?
Initiation fees like dues are set by UAW membership. Initiation fees are only paid one (1) time. They are currently $20 for all new members.
Initiation fees are waived for employees who have a withdrawal card from another UAW Union. It is the responsibility of new members to submit the card to the financial secretary before their six (6) month probation period has been completed.
http://www.uawlocal4911.org...cle.cfm&HomeID=31717
So all those people who say crap like in that article about just how much union dues is are full crap and in the case of the article in question have no idea what they are talking about and are obviously not union members.
Steve
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Did it just come out of the check ? Like umm, social security ? I couldn't tell you what my dues are. |
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Steve, yes or no.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Steve, yes or no. |
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Yes Cliff it came out of our checks, ever month, always the same amount, 2 hours pay. Same now as it was in the 60’s.
So anyone saying any different is full of crap.
And anyone not able to see that is full of crap.
I will look and see if I can find an old pay stub for you and see if you can see it.
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Wichita
Member Posts: 10933
From: Wichita, Kansas
Registered: Jun 2002
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I'm so glad I live in a right-to-work state. I wouldn't join any union to save my life. Why join an exploitative, backwards, poorly managed and dying circle jerk of an organization of what are called labor unions. You have to be uneducated, weak, unskilled and lazy to want a union to represent you. Your chances of getting laid-off are much higher in a (be a prison biatch) union shop than the self-reliant jobs that comprise the vast majority of employees and growing work force in America.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
I'm so glad I live in a right-to-work state. I wouldn't join any union to save my life. Why join an exploitative, backwards, poorly managed and dying circle jerk of an organization of what are called labor unions. You have to be uneducated, weak, unskilled and lazy to want a union to represent you. Your chances of getting laid-off are much higher in a (be a prison biatch) union shop than the self-reliant jobs that comprise the vast majority of employees and growing work force in America.
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You really are a self centered arrogant idiot.
If memory serves me right you were in a union, correct?
You didn’t like it because you felt you were better than everyone else.
Just like you do here.
Please oh please tell all those Aerospace workers at NASA that are UAW members that. Please do.
UAW --- United Automobile, Aerospace, & Agricultural Implement Workers
Please tell all those in the brotherhood of electrical workers.
You don’t seem to have any trouble saying that every union member is an uneducated moron.
I wonder what those people would say about you?
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8352
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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Please do call this local and say that.
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In fact the UAW represents a wide variety of working people.
There are thousands of organizations, each with a specific purpose or goal. There are so many reasons why one should consider becoming part of an organization he or she believes in.
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82-T/A [At Work]
Member Posts: 4037
From: Cooper City, Florida USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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Which they should. They passed it up our azzes all these years. |
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Not all the time... (well in this case, yes).
Unions that form off government subsidized organizations... guess who pays for it then...
We do...
It seems the unions that exist in government subsidized organizations always seem to get the best benefits. That's because they consider us tax payers to be basically a bottomless pit of cash.
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I'm so glad I live in a right-to-work state. I wouldn't join any union to save my life. Why join an exploitative, backwards, poorly managed and dying circle jerk of an organization of what are called labor unions. You have to be uneducated, weak, unskilled and lazy to want a union to represent you. Your chances of getting laid-off are much higher in a (be a prison biatch) union shop than the self-reliant jobs that comprise the vast majority of employees and growing work force in America.
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Not all the time... sometimes it's required and you don't have a choice. For example... if you become a teacher in the public school system here in Florida (at least in Broward County or Miami-Dade) you are required by the terms of the employment to start paying union dues and join the union.
Honestly, I think teachers might really be the only people who may need a union representation. With kids being as crazy as they are right now, and people being so ridiculously PC... if a student says a teacher did something innapropriate to him / her... it's basically GUILTY until proven innocent for the teacher. They're immediately on paid suspension until it can be investigated. This is how it is regardless if the student is lying or not. Personally, I am not directly friends with anyone in a teacher's union, but I do have family who work for Broward Teacher's Union and United Teachers of Dade. I can't stand unions and I tell them every time. I don't feel the support for teachers unions because I have family in them. If I could snap my finger, I would immediately take all he ridiculous double-benefits that the union employees (not members) get, and I would immediately make the union a NOT FOR PROFIT organization.
They're both so disgustingly corrupt. They get funded by tax payers... so the income they get is astronomical. BTU took in 74 million dollars last year... and we have classrooms that can't even afford decent desks for the students to sit at.
The ONLY thing teacher's unions deserve is legal council... that's it.
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ditch
Member Posts: 3446
From: Brookston, IN
Registered: Mar 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by FrugalFiero:
the fact is that retirees cease to exist for the UAW the minute our union dues went from $500-plus per month to $2 per month.
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Although I think the UAW is a crock of **** , this statement right here screams of ignorance.
Are union dues flushed down the toilet just like the taxes our govt collects?...Yes....BUT, they're nowhere near that much a month in the UAW.
If the $500 is not a misprint, the writer of that article is a joke.IP: Logged |
cliffw
Member Posts: 17275
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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People, do not forget. The percentage of union workers in private industry is at just about 7%. The percentage of union workers in the government is at about ?30%? Nobama is a union community activist.
You can't fire a union fruck up. I know of one making $100,000 a tear sitting in a rubber room. He is 67 years old and could have retired at 65. Yet he didn't.
Eh, been to the bar, don't listen to me.IP: Logged |
Wichita
Member Posts: 10933
From: Wichita, Kansas
Registered: Jun 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
You really are a self centered arrogant idiot.
If memory serves me right you were in a union, correct?
You didn’t like it because you felt you were better than everyone else.
Just like you do here.
Please oh please tell all those Aerospace workers at NASA that are UAW members that. Please do.
UAW --- United Automobile, Aerospace, & Agricultural Implement Workers
Please tell all those in the brotherhood of electrical workers.
You don’t seem to have any trouble saying that every union member is an uneducated moron.
I wonder what those people would say about you?
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I never was in a Union. I live in a right-to-work state. Meaning that we do not have to join a Union as a condition of employment. I did, however, worked under a Union Contract, but I wasn't and never will be a Union Member.
Some states force people to join the Union as a condition of employment, because they are Democrat states. So I can't begrudge people who have to just to earn a living. Even though the Union is taking food off the tables of the families who are forced to pay dues.
People are also coerced into joining the Union, due to their thuggery. They tried that crap on me on several occasions, but I put an end to that quick. Yeah! I had my windshield kicked in one time. They also cut the top of my convertible, broke into my glove-box were my cell phone was at. Took the the phone and threw on the ground and stomped on it to pieces , But they are cowards none the less. There is no way they would do anything in my face or presence, because I'll kick the holy living shhit out of them weak asss, fat asss, drunk asss POS's Union phucks. I wasn't the only one. Many of us non-union members had things happen to our vehicles all the time. Union phucks would take human or dog crap and smear it all over the car handles and etc.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE SO MUCH HATRED TOWARDS UNIONS? Because they aren't good people. They are literally the KKK of our society. They do things, intimidate and even kill people just like the KKK. One time a Union Phuck ran over a worker and killed him at another aircraft plant when that Union was on strike. That's the kind of people they are. The phucks who ran the KKK have basically migrated to the Unions.
Telling me I should accept and love unions and like telling a black guy to love the KKK. It isn't going to happen.
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I have to wonder just what you did or said to those union members?
Did you tell them all those things you just said?
You like to talk a lot of crap about unions and all their members. From what you have said no union member has any education or compassion.
Funny the ones I know would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it.
Even in a lean year, UAW members open their hearts, wallets
Photos by Anne Drake/UAW Local 898
Warm coats, toys, gloves and boots were among the items UAW members obtained for area children.
Generous UAW Local 898 members at Ford Motor Co.'s Rawsonville plant in Ypsilanti, Mich., refused to say “bah humbug” over the holidays, despite the current economic crisis.
Local 898 members and salaried workers helped provide a Christmas party to more than 80 needy children from the Ypsilanti, Inkster and Detroit school systems. Each child was provided $200 worth of warm coats, boots and shoes, clothing, toys and other items.
After a welcome by plant management, Local 898 Chairman Joel Goddard and the joint Adopt-a-Child Committee, children were read a letter from Santa by Mrs. Claus and the story, “The Night Before Christmas.” Pizza, visits from Frosty the Snowman, elves and even Santa himself followed.
After Santa’s visit, children were given the green light to open their huge bags full of wrapped presents. The children were very excited to tear open their gifts and seemed to love everything that they received. Shouts of “Underwear!” “Boots!” “Barbie!” filled the hall. Every child in the room went home with a big smile on their face.
Retirees from locals 898 and 849, Region 1A Director Rory Gamble and many area businesses that donated items helped make the joint company-union effort a rousing success.
What's happening in your local union? If you have an item for UAW in Our Communities, please e-mail to community@uaw.org, and include a contact person, with e-mail address and daytime phone number.
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Sign up for the 2010 UAW Family Scholarship Program at Black Lake
Combine the natural beauty of northern Michigan in the summer and your own desire to be inspired as a union member and what do you get?
How about a free trip to the Walter and May Reuther UAW Family Education Center in Onaway, Mich.?
The Japanese Bridge at Black Lake is one of many beautiful sights at the UAW Walter and May Reuther Family Education Center.
But it's more than a vacation from the daily grind. It's a chance to renew yourself, rediscover your family and recommit yourself to labor activism. The 2010 UAW Family Scholarship Program accomplishes this and more.
Since the center opened in 1970, thousands of UAW families have taken part in the program. During the day, parents participate in workshops on issues that affect working families such as health care, labor rights, trade and more.
Children ages 3-7 and 8-11 go to age-appropriate day camps where they have a blast with creative arts, music, games, athletics and swimming. Youngsters ages 12-15 get a small taste of what it's like to be an active, involved citizen with specially designed workshops, plus activities such as golf, swimming and gym games. And teens ages 16-18 participate in a program to prepare them for the working world.
There's plenty to do at Black Lake, including swimming, either at the large indoor pool or at the lake.
There's plenty for the parents to do, too. In addition to swimming at the beach or at the indoor pool, there's team sports, nature walks, camping, fishing, and, of course, golf. The award-winning Black Lake Golf Club is right next door.
Your union pays for all lodging, food and program costs. Participants may choose to pay for other things such as group photographs, gift shop items, golf or activities in nearby communities.
To be eligible for a family scholarship, you must be a UAW member in good standing for at least a year and never have attended the scholarship program.
This summer's three sessions are July 11-16, July 18-23 (which also offers a session in Spanish) and July 25-30.
2010 UAW Family Scholarship Program, (188 KB)
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For Release: Tuesday, January 19, 2010
UAW donates $500,000 to help earthquake victims in Haiti
The UAW has donated $500,000 to the William J. Clinton Foundation to help victims of the devastating earthquake that struck Haiti on Jan. 12.
"The people of Haiti desperately need food, water, medical care and hope," UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said. "The women and men of the UAW stand with thousands of other organizations and ordinary citizens in their desire to help the Haitian people meet their basic human needs."
Former President Clinton, the U.N.'s special envoy to Haiti, said Haiti needs our short-term and long-term support.
"I still believe that Haiti can move beyond its troubled history and this lethal earthquake to emerge a stronger, more secure nation," Clinton said last week. "But we can't do it with government support alone: Ordinary citizens must fill in the gaps. Little donations make a big difference, and there are a number of organizations that will move the money to where it's needed most."
There are many ways for people to easily donate to help Haiti, including by texting "HAITI" to "20222" to the Clinton Foundation's Haiti Relief Fund. A $10 donation will be charged to your cell phone bill. One hundred percent of the donations will be used to help Haiti. Other reputable charitable organizations include:
Oxfam America
Doctors Without Borders
Grassroots International
American Red Cross
More relief organizations
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Ayup now those are some real hard asses.
With that giant chip on your shoulder I bet you were a real joy to work next to.
Steve
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Ya OSHA is doing a great job of protecting Americas workers.
Workers Memorial Day is April 28. (UAW Poster, 382 KB) More than 5,800 workers were killed by job injuries in 2007, according to the AFL-CIO. Another 50,000 to 60,000 died from occupational diseases, including more than 10,000 deaths from asbestos-related diseases. Millions more workers were injured.
The AFL-CIO has materials to help educate workers about Workers Memorial Day and workplace hazards.
"Having an administration in Washington that will actively enforce workplace health and safety standards should help reduce these numbers," Gettelfinger said. "But everyone must do their part by wearing proper protective equipment and never taking shortcuts in health and safety. Our first commitment must be to arrive home in the same condition as when we reported for work."
http://www.uaw.org/hs/
there you go a link for you
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twofatguys
Member Posts: 7378
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I'm so glad I live in a right-to-work state. I wouldn't join any union to save my life. Why join an exploitative, backwards, poorly managed and dying circle jerk of an organization of what are called labor unions. You have to be uneducated, weak, unskilled and lazy to want a union to represent you. Your chances of getting laid-off are much higher in a (be a prison biatch) union shop than the self-reliant jobs that comprise the vast majority of employees and growing work force in America.
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OMG I was waiting for you to post in here, I mean, what a perfect opportunity for you to bash all Unions once again.
Years ago, when I first joined this forum I was a Union Member, Teamsters actually. I left that job to go into the "private" sector. Doing installation for a major phone company.
Here I am now, out of a job, for over a year now. And all of my Union friends that I left behind, they must be suffering as well right? Nope, every one of them still working away, same job, same everything.
As far as Lazy, I sure would like to set you up for a week in the shop I was in, I bet your fat butt would die of a coronary before a week is up.
A person would be stupid to not want the Company they work for to flourish. It flourishes because the people that work for it actually work.
The contract we signed said we would WORK for a certain wage, not sit around waiting for a check. And Missouri is a right to work state as well. The Union was there to actually protect the workers, and it does just that.
Brad
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Ya OSHA is doing a great job of protecting Americas workers.
Workers Memorial Day is April 28. (UAW Poster, 382 KB) More than 5,800 workers were killed by job injuries in 2007, according to the AFL-CIO. Another 50,000 to 60,000 died from occupational diseases, including more than 10,000 deaths from asbestos-related diseases. Millions more workers were injured.
The AFL-CIO has materials to help educate workers about Workers Memorial Day and workplace hazards.
"Having an administration in Washington that will actively enforce workplace health and safety standards should help reduce these numbers," Gettelfinger said. "But everyone must do their part by wearing proper protective equipment and never taking shortcuts in health and safety. Our first commitment must be to arrive home in the same condition as when we reported for work."
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What's the source for those figures? Does it mention how many of those injuries happened at union vs. non-union shops?
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On another note, because we are a "right to work state" the people in the shop I worked at could decide if they wanted to be Union or not. During my initial 90 days of employment I was non-union, because that was the rules. Nobody said a word to me about joining, or not joining. I did talk to a few guys there, and discussed the pro's and con's of being in the Union.
I could have kept my job and not joined the Union, but I instead decided to join. We had probably 1/4 of the guys in the shop that were not Union. They went to the bar with us after work, they came to B.B.Q's with us, and were generally nice guys, I do not recall anyone asking why they were not Union, I only knew they were not Union because when we would have our Monthly meetings in the break room they would get to go outside and smoke.
They got the same things we got, except for Union representation if something happened. The same hat went around to help them out if they had a family emergency, just as it did us.
The entire time I was there I only heard one guy badmouth the Union, and he paid dues every month (2 hours a month IIRC as said above). I told him that he could quit the Union any time he wanted to, but he said it made his job secure, he just hated to have to pay dues.
The only way I can see something happening like happened to you would be if you were in the job site acting like you do in here. Go into a Union Shop and tell 10 people that they are idiots, and that they are unskilled, and lazy just like you do in here, and I bet the same thing happens. It won't happen because you are non-union, it will happen because you are a douche, and people hate being talked yo like like you talk to them.
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What's the source for those figures? Does it mention how many of those injuries happened at union vs. non-union shops?
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If a Union worker get's hurt at work the same thing happens that happens to a non-union worker. First you get taken to the doctor, or hospital, blood is drawn for a drug analysis test, (at our shop everyone within a certain distance was tested) A report is drawn up, and a committee is put in charge of determining what happened. Workers get write ups, and even fired for not following safety procedures.
In our shop the "committee" is a group of people from a kaizon office that the company put in place, not the Union.
In both of my accidents the machinery was at fault, the 300 ton press that tried to put me 6 foot under had a hydraulic lock that had been noted as bad before, I was not aware of the problem.
The drill that took the end of my finger slipped back into gear after it had stopped working, it was old enough to not have safety devices installed on it.
I personally think our Union could have done more to teach safety in our shop, though the company couldn't have cared less either. If I recall I was #20 something to go to the hospital that year, and I got hurt in January.
Brad
Edited to add: I am against the UAW at this point, I believe they are no longer there to "help" the people they represent, and they have outlived their usefulness. They are more of a corporation than a Union at this point, and should be destroyed. Our Union was a decent size, but we were in charge in our shop, The union was there to protect our rights, there were many times the Union told workers that they were being babies, and they were in the wrong, not the company we worked for.[This message has been edited by twofatguys (edited 02-06-2010).] IP: Logged |
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Telling me I should accept and love unions and like telling a black guy to love the KKK. It isn't going to happen.
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We're not telling you to accept and love unions. If you hate them, that's fine...that's your opinion. But those of us who ARE in unions are tired of your stereotyping us all into one group...."union phucks". I'm not lazy...I'm not uneducated...I'm not weak...and I'm definitely not a bad person. But I take exception when someone lumps me into that stereotype, and then calls me a derogatory term.
I will agree...to some extent, unions have outlived their usefulness. However, there are times that they are invaluable for the employee. For example, a few years ago, I hurt my back at work. The day it happened, we had an inspection team in our office. When I told my boss that I had hurt my back, he was livid, because he felt I was screwing up his evaluation by the inspection team. I filed the paperwork for workman's comp, all the while listening to his verbal abuse, and figured that was that. Imagine my surprise a couple of weeks later when the Department of Labor sent me a letter, informing me that my employer was challenging my claim. Seems that when my boss filled out HIS paperwork, he told them that it was his opinion that I had hurt it while I was on vacation the week before. Excuse me? I had been back to work for 4 days before I hurt my back. If I had hurt it while I was on vacation, there would be no way I'd be able to work 4 days before filing a claim. The ONLY reason he did that was because he was pissed that I made him look bad to the evaluation team. So, the Department of Labor was requesting any medical records I had pertaining to my back. That would have been over 20 years of records. I contacted my union steward, who worked with my doctor to straighten out the mess. If I hadn't had union representation, I'd still be trying to straighten that mess out...all because my boss got bent out of shape about something that was out of my control, and that I had every right to claim, union member or not.
So......there's one example for those of you that think labor unions have outlived their usefulness. I can give you many, many other examples of how having a union represent me has helped me, and those that work with me. Safety issues, health issues. Time off for important family events...this same boss denied me time off to attend both my son's and my daughter's college graduation ceremonies. Yes, there are corrupt unions, corrupt union officials, and even some corrupt union members. But to lump all of us into one stereotype based upon your limited contact with one union is unfair, and very closed minded. I don't expect you to love unions...that's your right. But I also have rights....and I would ask that you not judge me as an individual based solely upon my membership in a union. That is EXACTLY what you're doing when you call me a "union phuck"....and I don't take to that very kindly.
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