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Topic: I wonder if we will ever know the truth.
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joesfiero
Member Posts: 1086
From: North Port,FL,USA
Registered: Jan 2008
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Im going to be honest here, I havent read through this entire thread, nor do I want to. I dont jump into O/T threads very often either, I have my own opinion on this matter but I want to keep my opinion out of this post.
I have heard of several people lately, some even pretty local to me that were driving a Toyota vehicle involved in this recall, got into an accident, and blamed the defective pedal recall deal.
My question is this: When a vehicle gets into an accident and the airbags deploy, I know GM cars take a snapshot of the PCM, BCM, and any other module involved which you can later see on the scanner to find out exactly what the car was doing in the event this information is needed. I assume the other manufacturers use this same technology (I only know GM does because I was a GM tech for 6 years). So if there is in fact a snapshot, cant someone go into the PCM, read the APP and Throttle blade motor values to see if it is an accelerator issue? I mean someone who is going to rear end someone isnt going to be holding the accelerator down no matter what, so if there is a value there, then it would be safe to assume an accelerator pedal issue correct? Also, it would be interesting to find out what the difference is between APP values and Throttle motor values, it might give some insight to a software issue as opposed to a mechanical issue.
-Joe
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8365
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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We may never know because Toyota is not going to let anyone get a hold of those computers before they reflash them.
Apples founder has one of these and now Toyota says that he doesn’t know how to use the cruise control and they need his car for a week or so to check it out.
I reserve the right to think that this is a computer problem until it is proven otherwise.
By someone other than Toyota.
I would like to know as well if Toyotas computer is also capable of the same thing Gms is. I know Gms is like the black box in planes.
But Hammer my know more so lets see if he finds out any more than he has already said.
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joesfiero
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Well, when one of these cars that gets wrecked is sitting in the insurance yard, cant a tech get in there and scan it, capturing the screenshot on their scanner before someone at Toyota gets to it? I know that cars sat in these yards sometimes for weeks at a time before the insurance adjusters or anyone else moved them. Just a thought.
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84fiero123
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Registered: Oct 2004
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Don’t know if Toyota computers do that and if they do just how would you get it out?
And in keeping with the thread topic.
Toyota recalls 437,000 Priuses, hybrids globally
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Feb 9, 6:28 AM (ET)
By YURI KAGEYAMA
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TOKYO (AP) - Toyota says it is recalling about 437,000 Prius and other hybrid vehicles worldwide to fix brake problems - the latest in a string of embarrassing safety lapses at the world's largest automaker.
"I don't see Toyota as an infallible company that never makes mistakes," President Akio Toyoda said at a press conference Tuesday in Tokyo. "We will face up to the facts and correct the problem, putting customers' safety and convenience first."
With the Prius announcement, the number of vehicles recalled globally by Toyota Motor Corp. has ballooned to 8.5 million, including for floor mats which can trap gas pedals and faulty gas pedals that are slow to return to the idle position. The 2010 Prius wasn't part of the earlier recalls.
There have been about 200 complaints in Japan and the U.S. about a delay when the brakes in the Prius were pressed in cold conditions and on some bumpy roads. The delay doesn't indicate a brake failure. The company says the problem can be fixed in 40 minutes with new software that oversees the controls of the antilock brakes.
http://apnews.excite.com/ar...00209/D9DOKDQ80.html
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17322
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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| | | quote | Originally posted by joesfiero:
I know GM cars take a snapshot of the PCM, BCM, and any other module involved which you can later see on the scanner to find out exactly what the car was doing in the event this information is needed. I assume the other manufacturers use this same technology (I only know GM does because I was a GM tech for 6 years). So if there is in fact a snapshot, cant someone go into the PCM, read the APP and Throttle blade motor values to see if it is an accelerator issue?
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
We may never know because Toyota is not going to let anyone get a hold of those computers before they reflash them.
I reserve the right to think that this is a computer problem until it is proven otherwise.
By someone other than Toyota.
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We may never know,  ? Gee, why does my owners manual say that it does ? How can Toyota stop people from getting a hold of the computers when people already have them in their possession ? Does Toyota get possession of vehicles involved in wrecks ? Hell no, use some common sense.
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84fiero123
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From: farmington, maine usa
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
We may never know, ? Gee, why does my owners manual say that it does ? How can Toyota stop people from getting a hold of the computers when people already have them in their possession ? Does Toyota get possession of vehicles involved in wrecks ? Hell no, use some common sense. |
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Well than why are they not telling everyone that they have this and it is not the computer doing this?
I would think they would be telling the whole world that they are sure that it is not the computer doing this.
And proving it is not the computer by showing everyone the readout.
Why aren’t they
No where in no news report, Toyotas or otherwise are they saying anything about this.
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17322
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Well than why are they not telling everyone that they have this and it is not the computer doing this?
I would think they would be telling the whole world that they are sure that it is not the computer doing this.
And proving it is not the computer by showing everyone the readout.
Why aren’t they
No where in no news report, Toyotas or otherwise are they saying anything about this.
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Gee Steve. Common sense. If I get in an accident, I am required to release my name and insurance information. A lawyer would advise me to give no more information. It is common in everyday legal disputes to not give information pending outcomes of investigation or while litigation is in process.
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84fiero123
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From: farmington, maine usa
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| | | quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Gee Steve. Common sense. If I get in an accident, I am required to release my name and insurance information. A lawyer would advise me to give no more information. It is common in everyday legal disputes to not give information pending outcomes of investigation or while litigation is in process. |
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Again I ask then why is Toyota not showing the world that little picture of the computer?
To prove Steve what’s his name the founder of apple is wrong? He is saying it is the computer program.
It would make a lot of Toyota owners feel safer.
But they are not.
Why?
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cliffw
Member Posts: 17322
From: Kerrville, Texas, USA
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
It would make a lot of Toyota owners feel safer.
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I don't feel that I am in danger. My son in law works at Toyota San Antonio. He won a raffle and got an executives old/new Prius when the exec got a new one. He ain't skerd either.
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84fiero123
Member Posts: 8365
From: farmington, maine usa
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Not everyone feels that way evidently Cliff.
Toyota skids in reliability rankings
Automaker slips to fifth from first place, and some versions of Camry, Tundra and Lexus GS no longer recommended.
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNNMoney.com staff writer
October 17 2007: 4:42 PM EDT
NEW YORK, CNNMoney.com -- The Toyota brand has lost its top position for iron-clad reliability, according to an influential Consumer Reports survey released Tuesday.
The survey dropped Toyota from first to fifth place - behind Honda, Acura, Scion and Subaru - in average vehicle reliability. The rankings are based on average predicted reliability for all models sold under a given brand.
2007 Toyota Camry: Because of poor predicted reliability, V6-powered versions of the Toyota Camry are no longer recommended by Consumer Reports.
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Brands made by Toyota Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. still dominate the rankings: Scion is Toyota's low-priced car brand and Acura is Honda's luxury car brand.
Consumer Reports said it no longer recommends V6 versions of Toyota's Camry or four-wheel-drive V8 versions of its Tundra pick-up because of poor reliability.
In the past, because Toyota (Charts) products have so consistently proved reliable, the magazine would assume at least average reliability for Toyota's brand new cars, without waiting for survey data from owners.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/1...eliability/index.htm
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kwagner
Member Posts: 2584
From: Beaver Falls, PA
Registered: Apr 2005
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
The survey dropped Toyota from first to fifth place - behind Honda, Acura, Scion and Subaru - in average vehicle reliability.
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Interesting, since Scion is Toyota. How much of it is short-term panic/bandwagon and how much is true long-term damage remains to be seen. It's kindof like how some company's stock will take a dive over some piece of news. Whether or not they will recover will tell the true tale.IP: Logged |
84fiero123
Member Posts: 8365
From: farmington, maine usa
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by kwagner:
Interesting, since Scion is Toyota. How much of it is short-term panic/bandwagon and how much is true long-term damage remains to be seen. It's kindof like how some company's stock will take a dive over some piece of news. Whether or not they will recover will tell the true tale. |
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I think it was Roger who mentioned that many Lexus owners as well do not know that they are just driving a fancy Toyota.
Many people have no idea.
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kwagner
Member Posts: 2584
From: Beaver Falls, PA
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Many people have no idea.
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Mickey_Moose
Member Posts: 4017
From: Edmonton, AB, Canada
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Now there is an issue with power steering hoses:
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Separately, Toyota said Tuesday will also conduct a voluntary safety recall on 393 early production 2010 Camry vehicles in Canada to inspect for a power steering hose that may be in contact with a front brake tube and cause it to leak. That is part of a broader recall of 7,300 Camrys in the U.S.
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http://www.financialpost.co...tory.html?id=2540516
I am still convinced that none of these issues would ever have seen the light of day if it was not for the gas pedal incident...  [This message has been edited by Mickey_Moose (edited 02-09-2010).] IP: Logged |
82-T/A [At Work]
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From: Cooper City, Florida USA
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:
I am still convinced that none of these issues would ever have seen the light of day if it was not for the gas pedal incident...
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Realistically... I think this is big point here. There are a lot of things that should be fixed. The Japanese manufacturers have always been blatantely afraid of issuing recalls for fear of what the repercussions would be on their brand. They're right... but this same mindset has caused it to balloon into what it is right now. When you issue a recall when a recall is due... the media has their little field day, and it's overwith. GM and the other makes have learned this the hard way, MANY years ago. Toyota hasn't figured this out yet... and more than likely... Honda hasn't either. They were smart to issue their own recall of 600+ thousand vehicles amidst the turmoil with Toyota because it went relatively unnoticed. (very smart on their part).
Toyota is learning now what the other manufacturers learned decades ago... if there's a problem... fix it sooner than later, because when you wait this long... the media will turn it into a Circus and the same power that got Obama elected, will be the same power that destroys the resale value of Toyotas.
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84fiero123
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State Farm says it warned NHTSA on Toyota in 2007
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Feb 9, 1:13 PM (ET)
By KEN THOMAS
WASHINGTON (AP) - The nation's largest auto insurer said Tuesday it alerted federal safety regulators in late 2007 about a rise in reports of unexpected acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the latest warning sign to emerge about the massive recall.
State Farm insurance said it noticed an uptick in reports of unwanted acceleration in Toyotas from its large customer database and warned the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in late 2007. NHTSA officials said the report was reviewed and the agency issued a recall later that month.
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joesfiero
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I thought the screen capture was mandatory on all makes for some reason. It would make sense that the Toyota manual would say it does.
I am not talking about the media or insurance companies, or Toyota itself here getting this screenshot. I know that when I was a tech with the insurance yard at our dealership it would have been no big deal to get in there and get that screenshot, obviously I never did because I didnt have a reason but I did go in there and poke around at the cars on my lunch break. (I never said I was normal, the blood and mess had me mesmerized. The really juicy ones would have me climbing all around the car looking for brain matter for my whole break.)
Anyway, I still wont voice my opinion on this subject matter. I am not here to start bickering about conspiracies and news blurbs. However, I have a related story that I just TODAY realized.
Back in July of 2008 I was driving in our work truck (2 door 2wd Tacoma, but that is irrelevant) back from a class that work sent me to. I pulled off the highway via the off ramp and came to a stop at the red light, I was the 5th or so car back. It was a rainy day. I looked in my rearview mirror to see a Camry hauling a$$ towards me with not enough room to stop especially in the rain, so I braced myself which is actually worse for you in many cases.
Anyway, the guy slammed into me. He was very old and foreign so I ignored him and waited for the cops and fire to show up. For whatever reason, the fire department didnt even ask me if I was hurt. The guy came up to me and handed me a paper to sign saying that I didnt require transportation to the hospital. I signed it and complained of back pain to him, but apparently they werent too concerned with it. The cop took the old mans statement and then came over to me. I asked him what the douche had to say for himself and the cop just said "he just kept saying in broken english that he coulnt stop the car and the car wouldnt stop, but whatever, I just gave him 2 tickets." That stupid accident had me screwed up and in physical therapy for months.
Now all I can think of is that maybe the old man was telling the truth, but didnt know how to explain it well enough in english. I may have been a victim of a defective Toyota prouct.
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cliffw
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State Farm says it warned NHTSA on Toyota in 2007
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Sure did. What did the NHTSA do about it ? Then, or to date ? Nothing, nada, zilch.
Toyota unlike most other Automotive Manufactures has taken the initiative to shut down its plants and recall millions of vehicles for a voluntary recall. What about the Chevy Malibu's and the broken springs? No Recall. Remember the Ford Explorers with the defective tires? The recall certainly wasn't voluntary. It was mandated.
In related news, ...
Engineers Say Not Just Toyotas Vulnerable to Unintended Acceleration
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Overall, unintended acceleration is fairly rare no matter the cause. Based on a Consumer Reports study of 2008 complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, about one of every 50,000 Toyota, one of every 65,000 Ford and just one in every 500,000 GM vehicles experienced a problem. |
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84fiero123
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Ayup, that’s a well built, dependable car company.
As long as you don’t want to stop, or turn.
Toyota Recall Update #26: 2009-'10 Corolla Steering Complaints May Trigger Federal Probe
Toyota Recall Update #26: 2009-'10 Corolla Steering Complaints May Trigger Federal Probe
Published Feb 9, 2010
WASHINGTON — Just hours after Toyota announced another recall of its high-profile Prius hybrid, federal officials said they may look into complaints about steering problems on the 2009-'10 Toyota Corolla, according to media reports. But the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration had yet to launch a formal defects investigation, often the precursor to a recall, as of early Tuesday afternoon.
It is clear from NHTSA's Web site, however, that consumer complaints about the Corolla's steering are mounting.
"Gentle turns of the wheel can result in exaggerated motions," wrote one unidentified consumer in the section that allows consumers to post complaints.
http://www.insideline.com/t...r-federal-probe.html
no one ever said our gov agencies are good?
By the way I know you know this but tires are a separate warranty from the car. The auto manufacturer has never covered the tires. the tire company covers them.
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cliffw
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Ayup, that’s a well built, dependable car company.
As long as you don’t want to stop, or turn.
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Recent GM Recalls Which GM Did Not Tell Us About
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OCTOBER 2009 -- General Motors is recalling certain model year 2006 Chevrolet cobalt and Saturn Ion vehicles originally sold in or currently registered in the states of Arizona and Nevada; and model year 2007 Chevrolet cobalt, Pontiac G5 and Saturn ion vehicles originally sold in or currently registered in the states of Arizona, California, Florida, Nevada and Texas.
If either of these ports develops a crack, fuel will leak from the area. If the crack becomes large enough, fuel may be observed dripping onto the ground and vehicle performance may be affected. Fuel leakage, in the presence of an ignition source, could result in a fire.
MARCH 2009 -- General Motors is recalling 276,729 MY 2009 Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Cobalt, HHR, Malibu, Traverse, GMC Acadia, Pontiac G5, G6 and Saturn Aura and Outlook passenger vehicles. These vehicles fail to comply with Federal Motor Vehicles Safety Standard 102, "Transmission Shift Position Sequence, Starter Interlock, And Transmission Braking Effect", and FMVSS 114, "Theft Protection and RollawayPrevention"
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Another one.
Recalls
In early 2007, 98,000 Cobalt coupes from the 2005-06 model years were recalled after it was discovered they did not meet federal safety requirements because of a lack of adequate padding in a specific area of the vehicle's trim. This resulted in an unacceptable vulnerability to head injuries, though GM claimed the vulnerability would only affect motorists not wearing a seat belt.
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By the way I know you know this but tires are a separate warranty from the car. The auto manufacturer has never covered the tires. the tire company covers them.
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Are you trying to say Ford did not pay out the azz becuse of the defective tires, ?
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cliffw
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Chevy Cobalt Power Steering Scrutinized
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The NHTSA launches an investigation into owners' complaints of system failures that make the car tougher to control at low speeds.
The Chevrolet Cobalt could be the next car in trouble because of mechanical problems.
General Motors Co., which makes the compact car, said Tuesday that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened an investigation into complaints of failing power steering systems in the Cobalt, making it tougher to control at low speeds.
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84fiero123
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Well keep saying other manufacturers have had recalls and that they have not had recalls for things they should have.
That was not the issue here.
The issue here is Toyotas recalls.
Nice try though at misdirection and trying to divert the subject.
I have already admitted that other car companies have had recalls.
And that other car companies have had things that should have been recalled.
And that other car companies have fought doing recalls.
This is about Toyota and their perfect cars. They are not as good as they or you clamed.
They are peaces of crap just like every other manufacturer makes.
But Toyota owners USED to see them as perfect.
NOT ANY MORE.
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Toyota Recall Update #26: 2009-'10 Corolla Steering Complaints May Trigger Federal Probe
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The Corollas turn into Chinese all you can eat buffet places without driver input. Otherwise the steering is fine.
You guys have covered this pretty thoroughly, I think. Was there ever a Yugo recall, other than back to basic elements?
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cliffw
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
That was not the issue here.
The issue here is Toyotas recalls.
Nice try though at misdirection and trying to divert the subject.
I have already admitted that other car companies have had recalls.
And that other car companies have had things that should have been recalled.
And that other car companies have fought doing recalls.
This is about Toyota and their perfect cars. They are not as good as they or you claimed.
They are peaces of crap just like every other manufacturer makes.
But Toyota owners USED to see them as perfect.
NOT ANY MORE.
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Misdirection, me ?
The thread title was .... ? It was not "Toyotas Are Not Perfect". Misdirection right off the bat. The thread was a Toyota bash highlighting your hatred of them. Why Steve ? Because they kicked union GM's azz ? I never said Toyotas were perfect. I never claimed how good they were. I never saw them as perfect and they are as good as they have ever been in my book. A recall is just a thing which happens to any manufacturer. Automobiles or other wise.
You admit, and even brag, that you own a Suburban, ?
Chevrolet Suburban Recalls
Every fricken year since 2001
2001 -
Recall ID # 07V521000 - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Recall ID # 03V094000 - STRUCTURE
Recall ID # 06E026000 - EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Recall ID # 01V159000 - SEAT BELTS:FRONT:RETRACTOR
Recall ID # 05V379000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK
Recall ID # 05V155000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:FUEL PUMP
Recall ID # 00V343000 - STRUCTURE:BODY
Recall ID # 06E043000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
2002 -
Recall ID # 03V094000 - STRUCTURE
Recall ID # 06E026000 - EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Recall ID # 05V379000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK
Recall ID # 06E043000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
2003 -
Recall ID # 05V163000 - SEAT BELTS:REAR
Recall ID # 03V094000 - STRUCTURE
Recall ID # 06E026000 - EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Recall ID # 03V019000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
Recall ID # 06E043000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
Recall ID # 03V037000 - STRUCTURE:BODY: DOOR:HINGE AND ATTACHMENTS
Recall ID # 04V045000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
2004 -
Recall ID # 05V163000 - SEAT BELTS:REAR
Recall ID # 06V289000 - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Recall ID # 06E026000 - EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Recall ID # 05V043000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
Recall ID # 06E043000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
Recall ID # 04V045000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
2005 -
Recall ID # 05V163000 - SEAT BELTS:REAR
Recall ID # 06V289000 - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Recall ID # 05V055000 - POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION:SHIFT PATTERN INDICATOR
Recall ID # 04V376000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Recall ID # 05V043000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
Recall ID # 06E043000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
Recall ID # 05V103000 - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:PEDALS AND LINKAGES
2006 -
Recall ID # 05V552000 - EQUIPMENT:OTHER:LABELS
Description
CERTAIN TRUCKS AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 110, "TIRE SELECTION AND RIMS." THESE VEHICLES WERE SHIPPED WITH TIRE AND LOADING INFORMATION LABELS LISTING AN INACCCURATE VEHICLE CAPACITY WEIGHT.
Consequence
A MISPRINTED LABEL COULD LEAD TO IMPROPER VEHICLE LOADING SPECIFICATIONS OR TIRE INFLATION WHICH COULD RESULT IN A TIRE FAILURE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
2007 -
Recall ID # 08V441000 - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
2008 -
Recall ID # 08V441000 - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Just for zhits and giggles, here is the list of recalls for a 1985 Suburban.
- ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:GASOLINE
- POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
- POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:LEVER AND LINKAGE:COLUMN SHIFT
- SEATS
- SEATS:FRONT ASSEMBLY:RECLINER
- SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK
- STEERING:WHEEL AND HANDLE BAR
- SUSPENSION:REAR:SHOCK ABSORBER
- TIRES
- TIRES:TREAD/BELT
- VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
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Was there ever a Yugo recall, other than back to basic elements?
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1991 Yugo GVX 1991 Yugo GVX
Recall ID# 74858 - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
Recall Date: July 25, 1991
Units Affected: 3676
1990 Yugo GV 1990 Yugo GV
Recall ID# 74857 - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
Recall Date: July 25, 1991
Units Affected: 3676
1986 Yugo GV 1986 Yugo GV
Recall ID# 31955 - SEAT BELTS:FRONT:ANCHORAGE
Recall Date: February 07, 1986
Units Affected: 12512
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84fiero123
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I own 2 Burbans Cliff, nether of which is on that recall list You posted 86 and 94.
And the title of the thread is
I wonder if we will ever know the truth.
Steve
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Hey you like bashing GM and unions,
I like bashing import car makers.
Everyone has to have a hobby
Steve
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cliffw
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
I own 2 Burbans Ron, nether of which is on that recall list You posted 86 and 94.
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The 94 had six recalls and the 86 I am sure would be just like the 85 I listed above.
Ron had nothin to do with my post.
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Fiero_Fan_88
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Not sure if any one has put this one up considering this is pretty much the universal recall thread but, Honda now has some more up due to airbag safety.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8507450.stm
Honda extends airbag recall to 437,000 cars
Honda car in Japan
Honda has been dealing with the airbag problem since 2008
Honda has added an additional 437,700 cars, mainly in North America, to its existing global safety recall over airbag inflation problems.
It broadens a recall announced in late 2008 for less than 4,000 Accord and Civic sedans, then expanded in mid-2009 to cover another 510,000 vehicles.
The latest announcement also covers Japan, Mexico, Taiwan and Australia.
The fresh blow to Japanese carmakers came as Toyota recalled nearly half a million hybrid cars over faulty brakes.
Toyota has already had to bring millions of other vehicles back to dealerships amid accelerator and floormat problems.
We cannot be completely certain the airbag inflator will perform as designed
Honda statement
Toyota in global recall of Prius
Toyota fights back
Mardell's America: Toyota's woes
Honda - Japan's second-biggest carmaker - said the defective airbags can overinflate and burst, spraying potentially deadly metal shards.
The carmaker said the inflators were at risk of rupturing, "resulting in metal fragments passing through the airbag cushion material and possibly causing injury or fatality to vehicle occupants".
The fault has already been linked to 11 injuries and one fatality.
Honda said in a statement: "We cannot be completely certain that the driver's airbag inflator in the vehicles being added to this recall at this time will perform as designed."
Its shares fell in Japan after the announcement.
The recall will apply to 2001 and 2002 model-year Accord, Civic, Odyssey, Pilot, CL, CR-V and 2002 Acura TL vehicles, the firm said.
The company says owners should take their vehicle to an authorised dealer as soon as they receive notification from Honda.
The carmaker's latest recall affects 378,000 cars in the US and 41,000 in Canada.
It extends to 4,000 vehicles in Japan and 13,000 from other countries, including Mexico (9,000), Taiwan (1,300) and Australia (700).
HONDA RECALLS
Nov 2008: Airbag propellant problem reported in US. Recall of 4,200 cars
June 2009: Similar airbag problem reported, recall widened to 508,000 cars mainly in US
July 2009: Japan recalls 1,532 cars
Feb 2010: 419,000 recalled in US and Canada; 17,000 in Japan and other countries
The Japanese-only models are Inspire, Saber and Lagreat.
Just last month, Honda had to recall 650,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide to fix a switch defect that could cause a fire.
It said the fault could allow water to enter the power window mechanism, making components overheat.
The Fit is sold as the Jazz and City in other countries. That recall affects Asia, Latin America, Europe, South Africa and North America.
For Toyota, the problems continued as a US Congressional committee cast doubts on its plans to fix accelerator problems.
A memo to lawmakers cited "substantial evidence" of redesigned floormats failing to stop the pedals sticking.
On Tuesday, Toyota recalled 436,000 hybrid vehicles worldwide, including its latest Prius, to fix brake faults.
That comes on top of more than 8 million Toyotas recalled since last October for problems with slipping floormats and sticking accelerator pedals, linked to crashes that have killed at least 19 people.
Toyota's UK centres begin repairing the accelerator pedals on 180,000 vehicles on Wednesday.
They have the capacity to fix 6,000 cars a day, meaning it will be a month before the process is complete. ------------------
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84fiero123
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I have to wonder if we should have a recall section just for recalls here. Is it needed?
I think it is because many don’t realize that these recalls exist.
I don’t mean just the Toyota or import but all recalls.
I know the NTSB has their ODI website but many people don’t know about it. Or how to use it and the complaints part of it.
I got one of those dodge exploding tranies and had asked on here for any info on the week tranies but no one ever mentioned that it is common that they grenade themselves. There was no recall on it, but there were hundreds upon hundreds of defect complaints.
Toyota still has yet to prove to me and the government, and others that all this unintended acceleration is not caused by the computer.
And Cliffw, thanks for helping to keep this thread on the first page.
Like it or not this is important to know about.
Steve
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Honda is very smart to be issuing their recalls right now...
They might as well get them out and get them over with. The media is running with the Toyota story and the Honda recalls will be quickly forgotten.------------------
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84fiero123
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Well they are working on the pedals anyway.
Toyota repairing 50,000 vehicles a day
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Feb 10, 12:11 PM (ET)
CHICAGO (AP) - A Toyota executive says dealers have so far reinforced the sticking accelerator on more than 220,000 recalled vehicles, with repairs continuing at a rate of about 50,000 vehicles a day.
"Nothing is more important to Toyota than the safety and reliability of our vehicles, and right now we are completely focused on fixing the vehicles that have been affected under this recall," Bob Carter, Toyota group vice president said at the Chicago Auto Show on Wednesday.
He said some dealers have been open around the clock while others are carrying out the repairs at offsite facilities.
Carter added that the voluntary recall of the 2010 Prius and Lexus HS 250h models to update braking software, in response to complaints about braking problems, also is proceeding.
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twofatguys
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Hey you like bashing GM and unions,
I like bashing import car makers.
Everyone has to have a hobby
Steve
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LOL
I realised something reading this thread.
CliffW has an agenda, I'm not against anyone having an agenda mind you. I just wish they would just out and say it, instead of pretending to they are being impartial.
His son works at Toyota, he's protecting his son here, and that's all well and good. Now CliffW, you continue trying to change the subject away from anything that could cost your family blood money, and everyone else back to bashing the Craptastic Toyota.
How many different recalls are we up to now? And for what? The way I understand the majority are because they used cheap parts (inferior parts) or because they took a shortcut to save a buck. It seems the Auto Unions (that I don't like either) have been doing something right, ensuring at least some level of Quality and workmanship over the years.
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carnut122
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Well they are working on the pedals anyway.
Toyota repairing 50,000 vehicles a day
Email this Story
Feb 10, 12:11 PM (ET)
CHICAGO (AP) - A Toyota executive says dealers have so far reinforced the sticking accelerator on more than 220,000 recalled vehicles, with repairs continuing at a rate of about 50,000 vehicles a day.
http://apnews.excite.com/ar...00210/D9DPEHI01.html
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50,000 a day= 250,000 per five day work-week= about a million per month divided into almost 9,000,000 vehicles. They should be able to wrap it up around Thanksgiving. I'd hate to be last in that line. I sure would be PO if that was the case.
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84fiero123
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And here come the vultures.
Law firm group seeks national suit against Toyota
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Feb 10, 5:37 PM (ET)
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NEW YORK (AP) - A group of nearly two dozen law firms around the country will try to bring a class action lawsuit against Toyota Motor Corp., alleging its vehicles have cost customers billions of dollars in lost value in the wake of massive recalls.
P. Tim Howard, a Northeastern University law professor leading the group, said Wednesday the more than 8 million vehicles recalled by Toyota have collectively cost their owners more than $2 billion in lost resale value.
Kelley Blue Book and other automotive guides have warned that Toyota's recalls are eroding the value of its vehicles. On Wednesday, the car appraisal guide estimated that the resale value of recalled cars and trucks will fall an additional 1.5 percent - that's on top if a 1 percent to 3 percent decline that Blue Book analysts forecast last week.
Howard, who litigated against tobacco companies in the 1990s, also said he will seek damages for Toyota drivers who have decided not to use their recalled vehicles, although the value is more difficult to determine. He said the group will also seek punitive damages.
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Dozens of so-called economic loss cases have been filed around the country on behalf of Toyota owners who believe the recalls have hurt the value of their vehicles, Howard said. The group has a hearing scheduled in U.S. District Court in San Diego on March 25, where a panel of judges will decide whether to consolidate the suits into a single national class-action suit.
Richard Cupp, a law professor at Pepperdine University in Malibu, Calif., said consolidating lawsuits is a common tactic among attorneys in such cases because it allows them to pool resources and reduces the burden on the legal system.
"If plaintiffs lawyers can band together, that gives them a lot more resources to pool their strengths and ... fight closer on the same terms than a big manufacturer like Toyota could," he said.
Toyota spokesmen did not immediately return phone messages seeking comment.
Toyota has recalled nearly 8.5 million vehicles since November around the globe for problems that include floor mats that can get tangled with the gas pedal and gas pedals that can stick, causing sudden acceleration. The recalls have prompted a flurry of lawsuits on behalf of drivers who say they were injured in Toyota accidents, as well as by drivers alleging the problem makes their vehicles worth less.
The recalls have drawn interest from Congress, where lawmakers are looking into how the company handled the recalls and whether the government properly investigated numerous complaints.
http://apnews.excite.com/ar...00210/D9DPJAE81.html
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And here come the vultures.
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Yep, here they come.
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I realised something reading this thread.
CliffW has an agenda, I'm not against anyone having an agenda mind you. I just wish they would just out and say it, instead of pretending to they are being impartial.
His son works at Toyota, he's protecting his son here, and that's all well and good. Now CliffW, you continue trying to change the subject away from anything that could cost your family blood money, and everyone else back to bashing the Craptastic Toyota.
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What gave me away,  ?
My son (in law) is an Air force veteran, who served two tours in Iraq, volunteering for the second (early on before Saddam was found and before repeated assigned tours). The lines were very long to get hired upon start up of the Toyota plant here in San Antonio. He don't need me to defend him. Actually, I misspoke. He worked there. Not any more.
I have already stated my agenda. I am not defending Toyota. I am tired of hearing all the bashing drivel day in and day out. Oh, I know, I don't have to click on the thread but where is the fun in that ? I have realized something also. The hatred of Toyota is amazing. Is it jealousy ? Is it healthy ?
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no more amazing than the hatred of GM and the UAW ------------------
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cliffw
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, but I don't think it's jealousy.IP: Logged |
84fiero123
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So what is this electronic throttle control
ETC
Is he talking about the computer or some new glitch?
Or is it another part? 
CHRIST give me the old days.
Carburetor, cables, just plane old power brakes.
I guess I just have to keep what I have running.
Because every manufacturer now uses all this crap. Nothing is simple any more.
And evidently nothing is safe.
Remember when the heater actually had a cable connected to it?
I’m getting to old for this sh!t!
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84fiero123
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Evidently this ETC is just the WAY the computer controls the throttle.
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Electronic throttle control (ETC) is an automobile technology which severs the mechanical link between the accelerator pedal and the throttle. Most automobiles already use a throttle position sensor (TPS) to provide input to traction control, antilock brakes, fuel injection, and other systems, but use a bowden cable to directly connect the pedal with the throttle. An ETC-equipped vehicle has no such cable. Instead, the electronic control unit (ECU) determines the required throttle position by calculations from data measured by other sensors such as an accelerator pedal position sensor, engine speed sensor, vehicle speed sensor etc. The electric motor within the ETC is then driven to the required position via a closed-loop control algorithm within the ECU.
The benefits of ETC are largely unnoticed by most drivers because the aim is to make the vehicle power-train characteristics seamlessly consistent irrespective of prevailing conditions, such as engine temperature, altitude, accessory loads etc. The ETC is also working 'behind the scenes' to dramatically improve the ease with which the driver can execute gear changes and deal with the dramatic torque changes associated with rapid accelerations and decelerations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...nic_throttle_control
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So it still maybe the computer that is screwing up.
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