Pennock's Fiero Forum
  Technical Discussion & Questions
  Steering wheel issue

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Email This Page to Someone! | Printable Version


next newest topic | next oldest topic
Steering wheel issue by Chief08
Started on: 05-18-2020 12:49 PM
Replies: 14 (212 views)
Last post by: fieroguru on 05-26-2020 10:08 PM
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-18-2020 12:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey guys,

I need a bit of help/advice. I bought a Momo EVO steering wheel, and it fine with the Momo adapter, but that adapter pushes the steering wheel out a few inches. I tried the Fiero hub and the short NRG hub, both of which put the wheel in the stock position. The problem is that with either of those hubs the shaft sticks out too far so the horn button won't fit. I'm not sure if shaving off some ot the shaft is a good solution, or not. I'm also considering using a G6 steering wheel. Will the G6 wheel fit without modifications? As always, I appreciate the help that I get from you guys.

Dave
IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
88Fingers
Member
Posts: 164
From: Burlington Ontario Canada
Registered: Sep 2018


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-18-2020 02:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 88FingersClick Here to Email 88FingersSend a Private Message to 88FingersEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey Chief08, check out my YouTube video on "Fiero Fred" channel. See if you like that wheel. I made it from a broken '87 GT wheel where I used 3/4" tubing bent to 13"dia. with a flat bottom for more leg room then had a shop weld it to the spokes and had a car upholstery guy who also does steering wheels pad it and cover it in the grey leather. It fits like Fiero factory original as it is, and the horn button works just fine. Feels great in the hands. I love it!
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-18-2020 08:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by 88Fingers:

Hey Chief08, check out my YouTube video on "Fiero Fred" channel. See if you like that wheel. I made it from a broken '87 GT wheel where I used 3/4" tubing bent to 13"dia. with a flat bottom for more leg room then had a shop weld it to the spokes and had a car upholstery guy who also does steering wheels pad it and cover it in the grey leather. It fits like Fiero factory original as it is, and the horn button works just fine. Feels great in the hands. I love it!


Nice looking wheel, unfortunately I don't have the ability to bend, or weld tubing etc.

Dave
IP: Logged
88Fingers
Member
Posts: 164
From: Burlington Ontario Canada
Registered: Sep 2018


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-19-2020 11:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 88FingersClick Here to Email 88FingersSend a Private Message to 88FingersEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey Dave, a local machine shop bent it and welded it for for me for $50 I bought the tubing at around $10 it was the leather covering that cost $280 !!
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-20-2020 10:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by 88Fingers:

Hey Dave, a local machine shop bent it and welded it for for me for $50 I bought the tubing at around $10 it was the leather covering that cost $280 !!


That's cool, it came out nicely. I already bent the heck out of the Fiero hub trying to make it work with the Momo wheel, so I'm not sure I can still use it.
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-20-2020 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Chief08

210 posts
Member since Feb 2017
I'm thinking of adding a second steering wheel nut to keep the wheel from going so far back, which causes the horn button not to fit. Do you guys think that doing this would be an issue?
IP: Logged
88Fingers
Member
Posts: 164
From: Burlington Ontario Canada
Registered: Sep 2018


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-20-2020 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 88FingersClick Here to Email 88FingersSend a Private Message to 88FingersEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey Dave, could be a safety concern if not enough spline engages. Patrick? Ogre? Please advise Dave here!
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 02:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So, does anyone have any input? Has anyone else run into this problem? Would trimming a bot of the end of the shaft off cause any serious issues? I could really use some help on this one. Thanks again

Dave
IP: Logged
Patrick
Member
Posts: 29665
From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Apr 99


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 439
Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 03:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickClick Here to Email PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I explained in response to your PMs how I mounted my Momo steering wheel. It was years ago that I did it, and I forget some of the finer details, but at the time it didn't seem to be all that difficult.

Maybe if you took and posted a clear picture (make sure it's well lit) of what your particular issue is, someone might be able to offer some further advice.
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 03:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:


I explained in response to your PMs how I mounted my Momo steering wheel. It was years ago that I did it, and I forget some of the finer details, but at the time it didn't seem to be all that difficult.

Maybe if you took and posted a clear picture (make sure it's well lit) of what your particular issue is, someone might be able to offer some further advice.


Hey Patrick,
I actually did try what you mentioned and tried using the stock Fiero hub, but I ran into the same issue. I think it has to do with the horn button itself, it is completely flat on the back side with no recess to accommodate the end of the column shaft.

Here you can see how far the horn button sticks out.






And here is the shaft and the back of the horn button.



All that I can think of is to use some sort of spacer on the shaft, or trim it down.
IP: Logged
Patrick
Member
Posts: 29665
From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Apr 99


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 439
Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 04:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickClick Here to Email PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Chief08:

I actually did try what you mentioned and tried using the stock Fiero hub, but I ran into the same issue. I think it has to do with the horn button itself, it is completely flat on the back side with no recess to accommodate the end of the column shaft.


I looked up my PM to you. I bolded the relevant part.

 
quote

Dave, it was a few years ago that I did this, but it should be a bit more straightforward to you once you get the steering wheel off and have a look at it. What I don't remember is if the donor steering wheel needs to be "sacrificed" to use its hub. I had a bunch of old steering wheels here, and if memory serves me, I actually used the hub from a Firebird steering wheel. It had a deeper hub, which pushed the steering wheel a bit further towards me. I have the seat back quite far (long legs) and moving the wheel a bit closer was great.


Whether the horn issue factored into my decision or not, I forget... but after looking at your pictures I can certainly see the advantage of selecting the deeper Firebird steering wheel hub that I used.

If I was in your position, I think I'd try using a spacer of some sort between the actual steering wheel and the hub, just to bring it out enough for the horn assembly to push back into position.

Do those electrical tabs on the horn assembly need to stick as far back as they do? Is it one or both of them which is contacting the mounting nut/shaft? If so, can they be cut back and/or bent over?
IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 04:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

Whether the horn issue factored into my decision or not, I forget... but after looking at your pictures I can certainly see the advantage of selecting the deeper Firebird steering wheel hub that I used.

If I was in your position, I think I'd try using a spacer of some sort between the actual steering wheel and the hub, just to bring it out enough for the horn assembly to push back into position.

Do those electrical tabs on the horn assembly need to stick as far back as they do? Is it one or both of them which is contacting the mounting nut/shaft? If so, can they be cut back and/or bent over?


Patrick,

The tabs don't stick out as far as it looks on the picture and they are fixed in place. Even if I were to remove them completely, the shaft would still contact the back of the horn button. I thought of using a second nut to act as a spacer, so I may try that. What year Firebird hub did you use?
IP: Logged
Patrick
Member
Posts: 29665
From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Apr 99


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 439
Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 04:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickClick Here to Email PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Chief08:

I thought of using a second nut to act as a spacer, so I may try that.


I don't follow you. I don't understand how a second nut on the shaft would help. I certainly wouldn't put the second nut under the hub.

Why can't you simply try using six small nuts/spacers between the steering wheel and whatever it's attached to?

 
quote
Originally posted by Chief08:

What year Firebird hub did you use?


No idea. Probably the same vintage as a Fiero.
IP: Logged
Chief08
Member
Posts: 210
From: Yuma AZ. USA
Registered: Feb 2017


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 09:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chief08Click Here to Email Chief08Send a Private Message to Chief08Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

No idea. Probably the same vintage as a Fiero.


Because the tapered screws that came with the hub are not long enough.
IP: Logged
fieroguru
Member
Posts: 11165
From: Champaign, IL
Registered: Aug 2003


Feedback score:    (45)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 255
Rate this member

Report this Post05-26-2020 10:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Chief08:
Because the tapered screws that came with the hub are not long enough.


Buy longer countersunk bolts with some 3/8" long spacers...
IP: Logged

next newest topic | next oldest topic

All times are ET (US)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Back To Main Page

Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts Vendors
PFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery | Ogre's Cave
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay



Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock