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3800sc random multi cylinder misfire by Madess
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I have a 3800sc with f23. I have been fighting a misfire for a while. I have swapped the coils, wires and plugs. I have looked for vacuum leaks, and have not found any. I have cleaned the MAF. I have not tested fuel pressure yet. I am checking the fuel pressure next.
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When you monitor the misfires live what cylinder(s) are they primarily in?
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The coils are mounted to a platform that has a plug going into it. The ignition module? I think...
In the stock car it is bolted to the cast iron accessory tensioner bracket. The mating surface on both need to be clean so there is decent conductivity from the module to ground. Corrosion on the aluminum side or both can cause problems. Make sure on yours it is clean with good conductivity. If I'm in that area for maintenance or repairs, I like to clean off any corrosion and apply a light film of dielectric grease to both sides before bolting it back on. Worth a shot
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I have also had misfires that turn out to be improperly gapped spark plugs or a spark plug where the end was bent during install and shorted to the tip to ground
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Originally posted by Madess:

I have a 3800sc with f23. I have been fighting a misfire for a while. I have swapped the coils, wires and plugs. I have looked for vacuum leaks, and have not found any. I have cleaned the MAF. I have not tested fuel pressure yet. I am checking the fuel pressure next.


So I'm not the only one chasing a 3800SC misfire. During my swap I replaced all sensors, ICM, plugs, etc that every body will tell you to do. Figured I would start off all new. The list is extensive. And I endd up with a cylinder #1 misfire code. I even removed the metal shield from the ignition wire boot on #1 figuring it was arcing out. The odd thing is the "ChkEngLigt" only comes on when the tach hits 3K rpm (standing or moving) and you still couldn't tell there was a misfire.

The above was during warm weather. Now its winter and I can actually feel the misfire at 3K rpm. I can also hear an ocassional misfire at idle but not with every firing of the cylinder in question. I connected a vacuum gauge and it holds steady, no load, from 0-3500 rpm with no noticeable needle shaking. Compression check all cylinders were within spec, no highs / no lows.

Bought a new scanner Actron 9680 that shows graphs. Did some recordings but haven't had a chance to decipher the readings yet. May post it on here for the experts. This scanner gives the most likely problem based on the readings and what actual mechanics have done with the same #1 misfire code on same engine.
At the top of the list was "REPLACE #1 EXHAUST VALVE SPRING".

With that info I'm thinking a weak spring could float valve at 3K rpm causing the misfire if it can't maintain contact with the camshaft lobe. Sorry for being long winded.
Madess, get back to me pm or otherwise if you get this figured out and I'll do the same to you should I.

ps: #1 happens to be in one of the most congested areas to work in. ie: cradle drop...

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I checked fuel pressure and it is a little below 40psi, I am guessing that is too low. When I rev the motor it does not go up much. I am assuming I need a better fuel pump. I do have a F20000169 sitting on the shelf. I am going to install it, along with some sound deadening, because I hear it has a terrible whine. I will let you know how it goes.
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Originally posted by Madess:

I checked fuel pressure and it is a little below 40psi, I am guessing that is too low. When I rev the motor it does not go up much. I am assuming I need a better fuel pump. I do have a F20000169 sitting on the shelf. I am going to install it, along with some sound deadening, because I hear it has a terrible whine. I will let you know how it goes.


I do not believe that a defective fuel pump would show a random misfire on #1 cylinder as Spoon is reporting. I would lean towards a partially clogged #1 injector or
erratic power to it caused by bad wiring.

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I do not believe that a defective fuel pump would show a random misfire on #1 cylinder as Spoon is reporting. I would lean towards a partially clogged #1 injector or
erratic power to it caused by bad wiring.



Mades / Dennis, I did swap #1 injector with #6 opposite bank with no change. Still got chk eng light at 3K rpm. Put injector back where it was and checked wiring with Noids and all wiring checked good. Did test light back probe on injector while running and results were positive. One lead was constant hot and the ECM was flashing away on the other lead. Keep the ideas coming.

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When moving coils/injectors to track down a misfire you need to be live monitoring all the cylinder misfires to watch for any changes. Just waiting for codes to pop is not sufficient to track this down.
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I do not believe that a defective fuel pump would show a random misfire on #1 cylinder as Spoon is reporting. I would lean towards a partially clogged #1 injector or
erratic power to it caused by bad wiring.



I agree. If it is only cylinder 1, can't remember if you have done one, but I would do a compression check on all the cylinders and see if #1 is a significantly lower than the rest.
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Madess, a free bump for you.

Hopefully I'll be posting some scanner readings tomorrow.

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Madess, Here is a scan I took today for you and anyone else to check out. Looks like the temp never made it to 180 dg. I better check the stat. And the engine lit up right on schedule 3k.

Record Data

FRAME: 0 TM: 0.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.4
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 821
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 14.8
MAF(LB/M) 0.62
MAP("HG) 8.0
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.090
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -0.8
ST FTRM1(%) -0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 1 TM: 1.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 840
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 14.8
MAF(LB/M) 0.62
MAP("HG) 8.0
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.605
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 2 TM: 3.3

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 838
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.5
LT FTRM1(%) 14.8
MAF(LB/M) 0.63
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.715
O2S12(V) 0.445
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -0.8
ST FTRM1(%) -0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 3 TM: 5.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.8
CALC LOAD(%) 2.0
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 943
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 27.0
LT FTRM1(%) 10.2
MAF(LB/M) 1.32
MAP("HG) 8.9
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.035
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 4 TM: 6.6

ABSLT TPS(%) 5.1
CALC LOAD(%) 5.5
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2143
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 30.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.05
MAP("HG) 7.4
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.290
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 5 TM: 8.2

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.3
CALC LOAD(%) 6.7
COOLANT(°F) 153
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2585
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.0
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.39
MAP("HG) 6.8
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.640
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 6 TM: 9.9

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2830
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.54
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.570
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 7 TM: 11.6

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2899
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.0
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.51
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.835
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 8 TM: 13.2

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2911
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.63
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.820
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 9 TM: 14.9

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2957
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.55
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.495
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 10 TM: 16.5

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2984
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.0
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.56
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.450
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 11 TM: 18.1

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 154
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2964
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.60
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.260
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 12 TM: 19.8

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 156
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3039
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.57
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.845
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 13 TM: 21.4

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 156
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3046
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.57
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.125
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 14 TM: 23.1

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 156
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3053
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.59
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.250
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 15 TM: 24.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 156
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3060
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.64
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.810
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) -2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 16 TM: 26.4

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 158
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3053
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.63
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.165
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) -2.3
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 17 TM: 28.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 158
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3082
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.65
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.820
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 18 TM: 29.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 158
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3082
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.63
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.095
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 19 TM: 31.4

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 160
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3104
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.60
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.855
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 20 TM: 33.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 160
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3104
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.65
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.720
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 21 TM: 34.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 7.5
CALC LOAD(%) 7.8
COOLANT(°F) 160
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3082
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.59
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS Off
O2S11(V) 0.135
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 22 TM: 36.4

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 162
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3096
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.54
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.850
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 23 TM: 38.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 162
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3018
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.51
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.675
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 24 TM: 39.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 162
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3011
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -1.6
MAF(LB/M) 2.46
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.120
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 25 TM: 41.3

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 162
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2998
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) -0.8
MAF(LB/M) 2.50
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.130
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 4.7
ST FTRM1(%) 4.7
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 26 TM: 43.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.5
COOLANT(°F) 163
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3032
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.5
LT FTRM1(%) 0.0
MAF(LB/M) 2.54
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.270
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 0.8
ST FTRM1(%) 0.8
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 27 TM: 44.7

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.7
CALC LOAD(%) 7.1
COOLANT(°F) 163
ENG SPEED(RPM) 3011
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 32.0
LT FTRM1(%) 0.8
MAF(LB/M) 2.50
MAP("HG) 6.5
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.270
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 4.7
ST FTRM1(%) 4.7
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 28 TM: 46.3

ABSLT TPS(%) 6.3
CALC LOAD(%) 5.9
COOLANT(°F) 163
ENG SPEED(RPM) 2730
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 22.0
LT FTRM1(%) 6.3
MAF(LB/M) 0.89
MAP("HG) 5.0
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.030
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 10.9
ST FTRM1(%) 10.9
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 29 TM: 48.0

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.4
CALC LOAD(%) 2.0
COOLANT(°F) 165
ENG SPEED(RPM) 1167
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 20.5
LT FTRM1(%) 10.2
MAF(LB/M) 0.67
MAP("HG) 6.8
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.885
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 4.7
ST FTRM1(%) 4.7
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 30 TM: 49.6

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 165
ENG SPEED(RPM) 869
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 52
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 15.6
MAF(LB/M) 0.57
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.845
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 1.6
ST FTRM1(%) 1.6
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 31 TM: 51.3

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 165
ENG SPEED(RPM) 778
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.5
LT FTRM1(%) 15.6
MAF(LB/M) 0.61
MAP("HG) 8.3
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.055
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 1.6
ST FTRM1(%) 1.6
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 32 TM: 52.9

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 167
ENG SPEED(RPM) 882
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 16.4
MAF(LB/M) 0.59
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.060
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 2.3
ST FTRM1(%) 2.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 33 TM: 54.6

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 167
ENG SPEED(RPM) 858
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 16.4
MAF(LB/M) 0.59
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.195
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 6.3
ST FTRM1(%) 6.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 34 TM: 56.2

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 167
ENG SPEED(RPM) 830
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 16.4
MAF(LB/M) 0.58
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.635
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 6.3
ST FTRM1(%) 6.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

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FRAME: 35 TM: 57.9

ABSLT TPS(%) 0.0
CALC LOAD(%) 1.6
COOLANT(°F) 167
ENG SPEED(RPM) 825
FUEL SYS 1 CLSD
FUEL SYS 2 N/A
IAT(°F) 54
IGN ADV(°) 20.0
LT FTRM1(%) 16.4
MAF(LB/M) 0.57
MAP("HG) 7.7
MIL STATUS On
O2S11(V) 0.715
O2S12(V) 0.450
OBD2 STAT CA
ST FTRM11(%) 6.3
ST FTRM1(%) 6.3
VEH SPEED(MPH) 0

Comments welcome..

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Are those the only parameters you can log? It doesn't appear to contain any of the misfire counts for the cylinders. I do see LT fuel trims sitting at 16% in some areas which isn't ideal (not the end of the world though).

Please let us know if you are able to log other parameters.
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Originally posted by OntarioKev:

Are those the only parameters you can log? It doesn't appear to contain any of the misfire counts for the cylinders. I do see LT fuel trims sitting at 16% in some areas which isn't ideal (not the end of the world though).

Please let us know if you are able to log other parameters.


I'm still learning this scanner Actron 9680. I just upgraded the scanner software and it displays a lot of good info. In my opinion their software for the PC program sucks. It lags behind the scanner upgrade instructions. When the scanner shows "PRINT ALL" and I press the scanner button I would expect to see all the data printed out.

Just to use the PRINT OPTION the PC program instructions mention USB & Serial connector (scanner only has USB connector & cable) and what to look for and where to look in "Device Manager" for the com port # if it doesn't show up on the scanner yada, yada. It's like going back to Windows 95. I've tried to run this program on 3 different PC's --Win 7, 8.1 & 10 all professional level. It was only chance that the print out in above posting occurred. Sorry for the rant. I'll see if I can get a more complete print out even if I have to transpose data from the scanner using something called paper & pencil.

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I chased a misfire in my 3800sc for 3 years - finally found it. Turns out three of the bolts on the super charger would loosen up and develop a slight vacuum leak. Leak wouldn't show up using a spray test
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Bet you were a happy camper that day! Plus an inexpensive fix not counting any unneeded parts you threw at it over the years.

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Your PCM is trying to increase fuel as the LTFT and STFT are both going positive. Anything over 5% is typically a concern.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

Your PCM is trying to increase fuel as the LTFT and STFT are both going positive. Anything over 5% is typically a concern.



Dennis, I agree with your prognosis. Just have to figure out whats causing the lean condition at 3k rpm. My scanner does show voltage wave forms but it doesn't seem to print them out. I'll try doing a video of the scanner screen using my cell phone.

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Ok, so I put in the Walbro fuel pump. I turned the car to on, and it was still a little over 40psi. So as I test, I connected it directly to 12v and it showed 55psi at the fuel rail. I then started the car, and the pressure dropped back to 40psi. I am assuming the has something to do the fuel pressure regulator. When I hit the gas the fuel pressure really doesn't change.

This is what the fuel connections look like.
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Madess, your description & pic look proper. A few days ago I was trying to do more scans for my misfire and ran out of gas. I'll try again after I fuel up.

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Madess,
Okay I found some of my problem. The fuel CANISTOR PURGE SOLENOID was stuck open. I could blow air thru it in both directions, energized or de-energized. So the Mass Air Flow sensor saw this unaccounted for air as a leak causing a lean condition.

I purchased a new AcDelco replacement and installed it. Started the engine and it idled horrible. I'll need to do some road trips to get the ECM to adjust. Then I'll take some more scans. I also purchased some Autolite XP-606 spark plugs to replace the recommended AcDelco 41-101.

More to come.... I'll keep you posted.

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