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Fuel pump relay terminals by pmbrunelle
Started on: 11-24-2019 01:04 PM
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Report this Post11-24-2019 01:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleClick Here to Email pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm modifying my wiring harness for my souped up engine, so I want to redo the wiring for the stock fuel pump relay.

I've taken a peek inside the relay connector, and visually the terminals appear to be the following:

Coil: Metri-Pack 280 unsealed
Contacts: Metri-Pack 480 unsealed

Can anyone confirm my suspicions? (before I go buying the wrong terminals and discovering that they don't fit)

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Report this Post11-24-2019 01:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpoonSend a Private Message to SpoonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Why not upgrade the original fuel pump relay to the newer 95+ GM version (full size cars) and the pigtail connector with it. Better relay and you won't have to deal with that black nasty goooy stuff. Go to your Pick_N-Pull with a pair of wire snips and fill your basket. I used them on my 3800sc swap.

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Edit to add... I found a link.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...160323-2-121280.html


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Report this Post11-24-2019 02:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleClick Here to Email pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is very cool; I didn't know about that.

I just did some sealed Metri-Pack connections for some other items, so I'm already set up with regards to my crimping dies and such...

The only possible issue I can see from phonedawgz's photos is that when installed in the stock relay hanger, the relay skirts look like they may touch each other.
However, on my car, I bent the stock relay hanger to follow the shock tower's curvature, so that should give more clearance between the relays:


The other minor issue is that with stock Fiero wiring, one unsealed terminal has two wires going into it. That wouldn't work with a cable seal; a separate splice would be needed. Not a big problem.

Well, you've given me something to consider... either I keep my Fiero more period-correct, or I spend a bit more coin for the newer sealed stuff. Under the decklid vent where I have placed the relays, better sealing may be a good thing.

Regardless of which relay family I select, I guess it's a good idea to purchase brand-new relays during an engine rebuild... in that case, staying with the original family does not constitute a cost saving.

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Report this Post11-25-2019 01:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Fiero and most GM relay plugs from 80's are likely Not Metri-Pack type tho may be sold under that name now.
Only a few connections are Metri-Pack on 87-88 Fiero and this isn't one.

Most older GM Relay and other plugs are made in a "Packard" type and when used externally need "Bulb Grease," AKA "Cosmoline" grease to keep out crap/"water."
example: http://terminalsupplyco.com...LL=DEL010&PCAT=54228 click "PDF" in a line item for more

I think to Release... use small flat screwdriver in front then pull out the back.
Sim to See my Cave, Defect & Connection notes step 2.

That way can see the "pin" to compare to others.

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Report this Post11-26-2019 12:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleClick Here to Email pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm using this Delphi catalog as a reference (probably out of date since Delphi is now Aptiv, but for classic car restoration I don't think that matters):
https://www.powerandsignal....Global%20Catalog.pdf

I depinnined the terminals from the relay, and they were a visual match with:

Page 80: 280 Female Terminals Unsealed
Page 98: 480 Female Terminals Unsealed

A visual catalog match does not constitute positive identification.

Since I will probably do a mouser order this week for the new relay parts identified by phonedawgz, I may also order some Metri-Pack unsealed terminals, in order to close this thread with useful information.

I should be able to test the Metri-Pack terminals in the stock relay connector next weekend when I'm with my Fiero (and take pics too).

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