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1999 3800SC swap "start" question by Lou6t4gto
Started on: 12-07-2018 07:38 PM
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Report this Post12-07-2018 07:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
1999 3800SC into 1986 GT. turn on key, fuel pump
"primes" 3 seconds, turn it over, no start. if I crank it over for about 10 seconds( till oil pressure builds), then it starts and runs normal. Ideas ?? waiting for new "oil Sender"
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Report this Post12-08-2018 09:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darbysanSend a Private Message to darbysanEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I believe that the ECM is looking for a signal that the engine has started before re-energizing the Fuel Pump Relay. That's why you can finally get started, when the OP sensor sees enough pressure to close thanks to the cranking. It should be getting that signal based on starting with the 2 second prime, and the OP sensor is a back-up. Unfortunately, I've given away all of my manuals to do more research. Hopefully, someone can jump in and help with details. I can't remember which sensor provides the signal, but I think it's the ICM??

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Report this Post12-17-2018 06:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
but the fuel pressure is Remaining at 50 PSI Before AND "while cranking", at no time is it dropping.
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Report this Post12-18-2018 10:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darbysanSend a Private Message to darbysanEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Lou6t4gto:

but the fuel pressure is Remaining at 50 PSI Before AND "while cranking", at no time is it dropping.


OK, so if you have fuel and air, then spark is the only thing left in the equation (unless the ECM is not firing the injectors for some reason). Without the 3800 manuals, I'm unable to research this further, but it sounds like no issues now with OP switch, FP relay or regulator- all of those seem to be dong their job. I would focus on the ECM ( see if the injectors are firing right from the start), and then go through the troubleshoot guide for the ICM.

https://easyautodiagnostics...-crank-sensor-test-1
https://easyautodiagnostics...on-coil-pack-tests-1

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Report this Post12-18-2018 01:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
so, now I finally get to use My NOID Lights ?! LOL
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Report this Post05-02-2019 11:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
It DOES have both power/pulses to the injectors and spark to the plug as soon as it's turning over. the pulses don't seem to coordinate with the "spinning" rpm of cranking. seems like 1 pulse per 2 revs, maybe 3
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Report this Post05-03-2019 05:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Neils88Send a Private Message to Neils88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Try spraying some starter fluid into the intake. If it starts immediately then this will confirm that it's a fuel system problem. Helps to narrow down where to look for the problem.
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Report this Post05-03-2019 12:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
already did, and it does start quicker. Injectors ?
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Report this Post05-03-2019 01:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Buck531Send a Private Message to Buck531Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Problem is it's a 99 and it has VATs on the PCM. I would suggest getting either a 98 GTP PCM or have it reflashed to a 98 GTP.

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Report this Post05-03-2019 01:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
computer WAS redone, no vats
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Cam position sensor.
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Report this Post05-04-2019 01:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
OK, I'll Try that
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