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New full Exhaust information 2.8 v6 by zobari
Started on: 11-12-2018 03:14 PM
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Report this Post11-12-2018 03:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Hi,

I have a 88 v6 fiero 5 speed (131000 km) with custom exhaust 2" with muffler without cat.
The muffler is placed instead of the cat and I don't like it.
This muffler bother me when I would work under the car the muffler is too big.

I want to place the muffler in the rear as the stock one.

The car car has :

-custom exhaust with deleted deleted cat and 3.5 resonated tips.
-Exhaust manifold has been ported (for the 6 holes with New gaskets) by me.
-New performance ignition coil and distributor and cap
-New 6 SPARK plug ngk iridium 9 with New 8 mm cables
-New kn air filter with kn oil and gas filter
-New castrol long life titanium edge engine oil 5w30
-New transmission 5w30 oil
-repaired exhaust leak and exhaust manifold leak
-proceed to clean the injectors with injector additive cleaner (ecotec 1101 and bardhal brand in Europe), I have an 6 accel New injector, I think maybe to change the 6 injectors i Will see after the second injector cleaner.
-New preventively changed sensors as oxygen temp filter, map, coolant temp ecm, soon New o2 sensor exhaust
-egr Block off exhaust and intake manifold
-New clutch kit and New clutch Master cylinder
-New brake Master cylinder.
-And some other works like New oil pan...


My question is I must stay with 2" pipe for New exhaust 304l stainless steel or may i use 2.25 or 2.5 with a New sport muffler (maybe akrapovic).. I don't need a cat because before 1993 in my country that's not mandotory to have it.

Thanks.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 12:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SpadesluckSend a Private Message to SpadesluckEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I do not think you "have" to stay with any size piping. Its really what is going to fit. This will all come down to who is doing the work for you. Reading what you have done with the car you really do not need the bigger exhaust. If you had some engine work this would be different. Now if you plan on doing something down the road to the motor this could be your time to plan ahead.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 06:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaClick Here to Email Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Dyno tests done years ago by Herb Adams, confirmed that the Fiero exhaust system with 2" pipes, for its 2.8L engine is very efficient. Herb was an engineer working for the Pontiac advanced development group and did the tests under very high tech conditions.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 07:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageClick Here to Email fierofoolSend a Private Message to fierofoolEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

If you want to reuse any part of the current system, like the muffler and tips, there are reducers available that will take you from one size pipe to another size pipe.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 08:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for edfieroClick Here to Email edfieroSend a Private Message to edfieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Unless you plan other modifications that will significantly increase your horsepower, you will likely see no gains by going to a larger diameter exhaust.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 10:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Ok many thanks.

The only other possible upgrade is if i can find a trueleo intake manifold.
I will keep the 2" pipe for the exhaust.

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Report this Post11-13-2018 06:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpadesluckSend a Private Message to SpadesluckEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

That would be a good choice and save you money in the long run.

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Report this Post11-14-2018 02:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

OK

I will change the o2 sensor at the same time

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Trueleo? You may want to go with a heated O2 sensor since you went this far. See link.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...100421-2-090504.html

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Report this Post11-22-2018 08:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaClick Here to Email Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

 
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Originally posted by edfiero:

Unless you plan other modifications that will significantly increase your horsepower, you will likely see no gains by going to a larger diameter exhaust.


Exactly and that's even if you port the somewhat restrictive intake manifold.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

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Report this Post11-24-2018 03:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I have found a person who demand me 500$ to make the full Exhaust with muffler and without cat and 2" pipe.

My question what is the best muffler size for good sound not too much loud but sufficiently loud any idea ?
The avalaible kind of muffler is like borla s type round

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Report this Post12-02-2018 01:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I have installed a custom stainless Steel 2" pipe with a small round muffler same thing as a universal borla s type 30cm.
The problem is the sound is too loud and too agressive after 2500rpm. On the highway the sound is too loud in the cabin.

I Will change the muffler by a bigger 50 cm. I hope that the sound Will decrease on db and bass frequency.

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Originally posted by zobari:

I have found a person who demand me 500$ to make the full Exhaust with muffler and without cat and 2" pipe.

My question what is the best muffler size for good sound not too much loud but sufficiently loud any idea ?
The avalaible kind of muffler is like borla s type round


I put the two inch version of this:

https://www.summitracing.co...-493JeEaAr3xEALw_wcB

on my car (mounted it where the cat use to be) and I could not be happier with the way it sounds. The car makes some amazing pops and burbles, is no louder than a big pickup truck at idle, is not too loud unless you are really into it and does not drone on the freeway. I can upload a picture of it if you want to see where and how I mounted it.

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Report this Post12-02-2018 02:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Thanks.
Could you upload some pictures please I am very interested.

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Report this Post12-02-2018 02:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

This is the new exhaust, the old ones is on the left upper. Corner of the picture
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.
The muffler is too small.

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Report this Post12-03-2018 10:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I have a question.
A round stainless less muffler is a muffler or resonator ?

This item is a resonator or muffler for you :
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/...?hash=item4b54793c1b

The seller use muffler and resonator words.
If i use a bigger one the sound level will decrease or not ?

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Report this Post12-06-2018 06:52 AM Click Here to See the Profile for zobariClick Here to Email zobariSend a Private Message to zobariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

i've drove the car several km and the exhaust sound is beautiful with this 30cm round muffler catless.
a bit very loud at 3000rpm on the higway but in the other rpm the sound is crazy and very good.

I don't change the exhauxst, i will probably keep this exhaust configuration.

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