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Valve job on 2.8, now it misfires. by stinky817
Started on: 02-27-2018 08:59 PM
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Report this Post02-27-2018 08:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So here's the story. A friend of mine has an 86 se with the 2.8 and he had someone do a valve job because he had a dead miss on cylinder 4. No compression. a little squirt of oil didn't help anything.

He had the car towed to my house after the guy had everything I installed and couldn't get it to run. I pulled the valve covers off and properly set the valve lash.(he had the valves about 2 turns too tight) I got it to run but I have a misfire on cylinder 4 and 5. Did a compression test on all the cylinders. 120 on all except cylinder 3, I have 100. If I pull the plugs out of 4 and 5 there's fuel on them. Connected a spark tester to wires and I have good spark. Changed the plugs just for peace of mind. Still no good.

Frankly I'm stuck. Anyone have any ideas?
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Report this Post02-27-2018 09:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for La fieraSend a Private Message to La fieraEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Can you get a leak down tester and test the bad cylinders? You'll be able to find out what is the problem with a leak down tester fast and easy.
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Report this Post02-27-2018 09:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

May seem obvious, but double-check that the spark plug wires are indeed going to the correct plugs.
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Report this Post02-27-2018 10:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'll borrow someone's leak down tester tomorrow.

As for the wires, I've made sure they're in the right order, about 5 times.... Assuming the firing order is indeed 1-2-3-4-5-6
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Report this Post02-27-2018 10:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cvxjetSend a Private Message to cvxjetEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I had the heads on my 460 in my jet boat ported and the guy installed super-high-tech valve seals.....The exhaust valves got stuck open and I had to drive back 10 miles to the launch ramp on 4 cylinders (Hey, It proved that you could run a jet boat engine with DOD!)......The valves need a slight amount of oil seeping by to lubricate them.....Might be your problem; A leak-down will show you if it's that....(Actually, just a compression test should show that!)
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Report this Post02-27-2018 10:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Yeah, did a static compression test. 120 on all except 3, which was 100. Did a dynamic (running) compression test, got between 40-50 at idle, and about 80 at a throttle snap.
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Report this Post02-28-2018 10:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fastfiero1Send a Private Message to Fastfiero1Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can never go wrong using a vacuum gauge. Usually that is a good way to tell what is going on inside the engine. Wanted to save myself some typing so here is a link to a good article on using a vacuum gauge to diagnose engine issues...

http://www.onallcylinders.c...int-engine-problems/

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Report this Post03-01-2018 12:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Just checked vacuum. At about 1000 rpm idle the gauge is bouncing maybe 1" between 16 and 17".
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Just checked vacuum. At about 1000 rpm idle the gauge is bouncing maybe 1" between 16 and 17".


What does it read at idle?
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Report this Post03-01-2018 09:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
that was the idle measurement. the car doesn't seem to want to idle lower then 1000.
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Injectors firing? Timing correct?
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Report this Post03-03-2018 11:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm assuming the injectors are firing because there is fuel on the plugs, and if you listen to the injectors while it's running you can hear them click.

timing is set to 10*. when i got the car the distributor was out a tooth and the timing was way off... but i fixed that
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timing is set to 10*...


With the ALDL jumper in place?
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Report this Post03-06-2018 05:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stinky817Send a Private Message to stinky817Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Of course
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Of course


Well... you might be surprised then at the number of "mechanics" who don't.
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Stinky, did you ever figure this out?
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