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Stumped on 3.1 motor swap.. Starts easily.. Dies. Every time.. Frustrated! by Indyellowgt
Started on: 06-19-2017 05:40 PM
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Report this Post06-19-2017 05:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IndyellowgtSend a Private Message to IndyellowgtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So... 86 SE Getrag 5spd.. 2.8 now a PR 3.1 with a distributor..

I bought a longblock 3.1 from a member (tomsengines) last fall.. This is basically the same as the 2.8.. Distributor, top end, Fiero timing cover, etc etc etc...

I've done a P/R 3.4 swap before with great success and countless stock engine replacements over the years..

I took detailed pics of the process(just seemed like it was going to be a cool thing to share)and had no issues at all with the install.. In fact, it was very relaxing til I got it all back together and touched the key...

Highlights:

- Starts immediately.. Runs for 3-5 seconds.. Konks out.. Every time.. Can keep it running(barely and not safely I assume)by feathering the throttle.. Will not move in gear under this condition..

Lots of newer parts.. Fuel injectors, IAC, TPS, O2, ECM temp sensor. EGR solenoid and tube(with gaskets) Distributor, plugs, wires, coil, cap, rotor button, all vac lines are in place and snug.

Some of these parts all came from the tired 2.8 that was pulled and running well.. Others were replaced at time of install.

I've swapped out the IAC, MAP, MAF, TPS, Coil, injectors, ECM, EGR, From a good running GT I have here.. NADA.. Nothin'

I'm leaning heavily toward the fuel pump..? It pressure tested ok, and held on the bleed down test, but I'm worried maybe it cannot deliver volume and that's why it won't run... It stars very swiftly with the CSI every time..

I kept it limping long enough to toss a code 44 lean exhaust code once.. But I also had the IAC out/unplugged so the code might be erroneous...

Thoughts? I feel like I have a good hold on troubleshooting Fieros, but, lately I've been plagued with lousy running 6's with gremlins .. I'm sick of it...

Any help would be great..

Thanks.

Mark..

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Report this Post06-19-2017 06:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you check that both injector fuses are good?
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Hiya Ol' Joe.. I did.. All fuses are good.. ECM plug up by rhe battery is plugged in too...
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Report this Post06-19-2017 09:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Do you still have a cold start injector? Can you keep it running longer with starting fluid?
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Look at the fuel pressure when it starts up. Ideally you would want 40 psi, but as low as 38 should keep it idling. I would suspect either a clogged fuel filter or a weak pump. The lean code could be due to the lack of fuel just before it dies.

Also, are you positive the vacuum line from the MAP and intake are firmly attached to the pressure regulator?

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Originally posted by Gall757:

Do you still have a cold start injector? Can you keep it running longer with starting fluid?

Hi. Yes.. I believe that's why it starts so quick. Two revolutions of the flywheel, and boom, she's off...

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Originally posted by fierofool:

Look at the fuel pressure when it starts up. Ideally you would want 40 psi, but as low as 38 should keep it idling. I would suspect either a clogged fuel filter or a weak pump. The lean code could be due to the lack of fuel just before it dies.

Also, are you positive the vacuum line from the MAP and intake are firmly attached to the pressure regulator?




Hiya FF...

Strange thing.. When I hooked up my pressure tester to the Schrader valve and flipped the key to key on\Not running it only went to 30psi.... Flipped it back and it went to 42... Started it, manipulated the throttle and it was in the high 30's... I don't ever use starting fluid to keep a Fiero running... Its so horrible for the sensors,cat converter and engine..

And yes, I've triple-checked the vac lines. Especially the one to the fuel pressure regulator.
I'm sure the injectors are good, as well as the regulator as I've swapped out two entire proven fuel logs..

The mystery continues

Thanks for the help so far, guys..

Keep em comin..

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Check the ground wires for the ECM. (A12 & D6)

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Originally posted by Gall757:

Check the ground wires for the ECM. (A12 & D6)




Will do! Thanks!
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