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2003 3800 runs for ~2 seconds help! by crash41301
Started on: 04-10-2016 02:10 PM
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Report this Post04-10-2016 02:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for crash41301Send a Private Message to crash41301Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hopefully someone can help me out, or point me in a good direction to look...

I am about done wiring up a 2003 3800 S/C swap into an 86 fiero. I am attempting to control the engine with a 2003 PCM running the S/C OS. The car has a healthy cam in it, 42lb injectors, N* MAF, N* TB. It cranks, all sensors I can think of seem to read correctly in HP Tuners VCM scanner. However, the danged thing wont run for more than a second. I can crank it over and it fires right up, but then dies within 1-2 seconds. Very frustrating!

To trouble shoot this, I've validated that it has spark. I went so far as to keep the engine running with starting fluid for as long as I wanted, which means it must have spark to keep running.

That led me to thinking its fuel related. I've validated that all 6 injectors are wired from their respective cylinder, to the injector wire # on the PCM. So cylinder 1 has injector 1, cylinder 2 has injector 2, etc. I've hooked up a fuel pressure testing gauge and validated that it has healthy fuel pressure before starting, and when it starts. I think it was 60psi or so? So there's fuel pressure, there's spark, and as far as I know the injectors aren't on the wrong cylinders. Everything I can think of suggests that the PCM is cutting fuel on me.

I am aware of VATS, and as far as I know I've disabled it with HP Tuners. To disable VATS I swapped to PWM, and set P1626, P1629, P1630, P1631 to "No Error Reported". I went so far as to load "VATS Status" in VCM Scanner, and it says "PASS".

I'll be damned if it doesn't behave as if VATS is still turned on though. Reminds me exactly of what my LS swapped car did before I learned about VATS and turned it off.

Anyone have any suggestions? Im about out of ideas on whats wrong

I couldnt figure out how to attach a file here, though I did attach the tune file on the HPT board if anyone thinks looking at that would be helpful http://www.hptuners.com/for...&p=426738#post426738

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Report this Post04-10-2016 03:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like VATs
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Link says invalid attachment. ???

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Report this Post04-10-2016 05:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for crash41301Send a Private Message to crash41301Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Doh, link fixed. Try again?
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Report this Post04-11-2016 02:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Darth FieroClick Here to visit Darth Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Darth FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
It sounds like VATS is still enabled in your tune.

HP Tuners VCM Suite is currently incapable of disabling VATS in the 2003 3800 PCM tune.

TunerCat OBD2 Tuner can disable it, and I own this software.

PM or email me if you would like to discuss your options for getting VATS disabled in your 2003-based tune.

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Report this Post04-11-2016 07:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for crash41301Send a Private Message to crash41301Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Well thats depressing...

I opened a support case with HP tuners to see if its something they will fix. Also PM'ed you in case they dont to get the low down. In the meantime, if anyone else has ideas I am open.
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Report this Post04-17-2016 12:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for crash41301Send a Private Message to crash41301Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
After a good bit of discussion with Darth Fiero above, we've both come to the conclusion that you can not turn off VATS in the 2003 bonneville OS. Just wanted to update this post for anyone who stubbles upon it in the future via search. I ended up licensing a 2003 GTP OS from the HPT repo that stated VATS was already off to solve my problems. The good news is, the car is running now.
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Report this Post04-17-2016 11:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the update.

Glad to hear you got the trouble figured out!
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Report this Post07-28-2022 03:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for crashyoungSend a Private Message to crashyoungEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you bypass the airbag sensor?

If the ECM does not detect the airbags, it shuts down the engine!
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Report this Post07-30-2022 05:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you notice the post was from 4 years ago? And did you notice he solved the problem and it was VATs? And btw, the air bags don't connect to the power train PCM, so that's pretty unlikely. Just saying.
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